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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #25335308 - 07/19/18 11:24 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Gotcha, thanks again friends.

Definitely a nice pinset my friend :super:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25335341 - 07/19/18 11:42 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Ok so how to get pins in the center of shoebox so far I have pins on the side ? This is my first shoebox I have one with wax paper covering substrate and the other ones have nothing I'm misting and fanning  Several times A-day But so far only have pins on the side. Do I need to take the lid off, keep one side cracked or just keep the lid on any help or input would be appreciated:shrug:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: misfit78]
    #25335347 - 07/19/18 11:46 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Surface conditions.

I would try letting the top colonize fully and or try almost full colonized top layer, flip thr lid, don't fan, mist when needed, maybe once or twice a day, depending on if there are or are not beads of moisture on the top

Pins like very high humidity. I usually opt for less fae while gaining pin formation


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25335388 - 07/19/18 12:12 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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I can fit 6 shoeboxes in a little more space than a tub: surface conditions are easier to maintain





I've actually been finding the opposite to be true lately... my monos are keeping conditions just right while the shoeboxes seem to have more issues with drying if I don't mist. I think it was a combo of too little coir in my shoeboxes and a hot ass closet tho... but seems like the larger size of the mono lends itself to maintaining conditions a little better due to a lot more sub present


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: pixelpopper]
    #25335528 - 07/19/18 01:31 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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misfit78 said:
Ok so how to get pins in the center of shoebox so far I have pins on the side ? This is my first shoebox I have one with wax paper covering substrate and the other ones have nothing I'm misting and fanning  Several times A-day But so far only have pins on the side. Do I need to take the lid off, keep one side cracked or just keep the lid on any help or input would be appreciated:shrug:



Wax paper is outdated, and ime,causes more issues than out helps... may be too wet, is there surface moisture? If so, increase FAE, if not,  start misting (fine mist) to maintain beads of moisture on the surface: good luck
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I've actually been finding the opposite to be true lately... my monos are keeping conditions just right while the shoeboxes seem to have more issues with drying if I don't mist. I think it was a combo of too little coir in my shoeboxes and a hot ass closet tho... but seems like the larger size of the mono lends itself to maintaining conditions a little better due to a lot more sub present



Interesting... bound to come down to differences in prep and climate... is it dry where you are?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: nube424]
    #25335580 - 07/19/18 02:11 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Humus is forest floor debris. Which is mixed with cow manure and composted. I read the label dude, I still have half a bag here. And uh, it's composted so it's pretty much black dirt.



Dirt is not soil or humus. Compost and humus are full of oganic material at different stages of decomposition. Humus isnt limited to forests.
I think you mean soil instead of dirt.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA] * 2
    #25335664 - 07/19/18 03:11 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Gonna mow the bk box, little fruits, the lolipop guild, lol.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #25335665 - 07/19/18 03:15 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

nice bro. yeah i cant seem to get big fruits when i get a nice pinset like that. seems like I need at least 2 qt spawn to have a chance. maybe i need to introduce more water to the sub earlier to help the growth of the fruits?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25335670 - 07/19/18 03:19 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Once your tub is colonized, the mycelium has probably stopped dividing for the most part.

Second flush fruits grow from the same network that produced the first ones, so there should be very little difference between first and any other flush as far as cell aging goes.

I expect the agewise difference (where age is calculated in numbers of divisions for the purposes of senescence) between a first flush fruit and second flush fruit would be much less than the difference between a first flush clone and mycelium from that clone after being expanded to grains.

Note: I am not a biologist and this is based on my own (limited) understanding of how things work.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sivarted]
    #25335681 - 07/19/18 03:24 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Has anybody ever actually tried to see how many generations you can g2g through before the culture starts sucking?  (I mean g2g, then g2g from one of the receiving jars, then g2g from one of *those* receiving jars, etc)

Or gone through enough generations to demonstrate that its pretty much an invalid fear for the level of cultivation we are all doing?  :smile:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sivarted]
    #25335686 - 07/19/18 03:27 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I recently asked this and Bod said he has been doing g2g every week for im not sure how long, but sounded like at least a few weeks and reported no noticeable difference if I recall and understood corectly.

I have one jar that is a second gen g2g i plan to do g2g and then keep it up and see what happens. expanding it indefinitely unless i notice a shit set of box's


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25335696 - 07/19/18 03:33 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I made a post about this as well, but ill be spawning these jars to shoeboxes so i figured id see if i can get some opinions here too.

Im not sure if this is normal or not, but in 1 or 2 of my jars they appear healthy and fully colonized except for a very small spot on 1 grain. They were inoculated a while ago, and havent appeared to be colonizing anymore, so Im wondering if this is still alright to spawn?



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25335733 - 07/19/18 03:55 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

prolly fine. maybe just pushed against the glass real tight making the myc hard to cover that spot..?

definitely would be spawning myself.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25335745 - 07/19/18 04:05 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I'm so bad at things...

That senescence stuff was totally intended for a different thread.

My brain has clearly reached senescence.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25335750 - 07/19/18 04:06 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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nice bro. yeah i cant seem to get big fruits when i get a nice pinset like that. seems like I need at least 2 qt spawn to have a chance. maybe i need to introduce more water to the sub earlier to help the growth of the fruits?




Part of me feels it has more to do with genetics, or ms tubs. Cause everything Ive been doing is from two vendor mss. And i have gotten quite a range of yields,sizes. Im sure my experience, or lack of, is a factor. Im now getting to some isolates, and clones, wich i hope give some insight. Funny thing is I could give a shit what my boxes do, I have 3 lifetimes of fruits. But i cant seem to stop growing. I will never be a great cultivator, and Im good with that.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25335813 - 07/19/18 04:47 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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prolly fine. maybe just pushed against the glass real tight making the myc hard to cover that spot..?

definitely would be spawning myself.



Alright sweet ill go ahead and spawn them then.

Bodhisatta just mentioned that the jars in the first two pictures looked bad, but the one in the third looks good. Im thinking maybe its because i used flash in the last picture, so i took a new one. Does this look healthy you think? As far as i can tell it looks like any other jar ive seen.



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25335951 - 07/19/18 06:34 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Oh did he ? I would probably trust what bod said about them over me. I didn't even pay attention to rhe actual jar just the one grain


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25336464 - 07/20/18 02:06 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Unfortunately it looks like I'm going to lose my shoeboxes to trich before any second flush. I followed bods harvesting technique (floating the substrate). Once I was done, I submerged the substrate until it was saturated then drained all the excess. Then back into fruiting conditions. Trich showed up the next day so I'm guessing it came in with the water. Things I'm going to try next time: 1. Sanitize the walls of the shoebox before floating. 2. Boiling the water and letting it cool before submerging. 3. Generally practicing better sterile technique during harvesting. I let my guard down and did not sanitize my scissors or use gloves or anything.

Followup, since I only did 1:1qt ratio and that's all, is it possible there were only enough nutrients for 1 flush? Anyone else do 1:1 boxes and get multiple flushes?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Cabanaman]
    #25336507 - 07/20/18 03:18 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Unfortunately it looks like I'm going to lose my shoeboxes to trich before any second flush. I followed bods harvesting technique (floating the substrate). Once I was done, I submerged the substrate until it was saturated then drained all the excess. Then back into fruiting conditions. Trich showed up the next day so I'm guessing it came in with the water. Things I'm going to try next time: 1. Sanitize the walls of the shoebox before floating. 2. Boiling the water and letting it cool before submerging. 3. Generally practicing better sterile technique during harvesting. I let my guard down and did not sanitize my scissors or use gloves or anything.

Followup, since I only did 1:1qt ratio and that's all, is it possible there were only enough nutrients for 1 flush? Anyone else do 1:1 boxes and get multiple flushes?




I do roughly 1:1 and it carries two frushes. I toss them after two. My guess is the trich was always there, after soaking the sub and putting it back into high humidity might of accelerated it. Im just a noob though. Im sure one of the good cultivators will chime in. Good luck man!


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: BigSurMoon]
    #25336534 - 07/20/18 04:59 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I wouldn't worry too much about sanitizing water ans wearing gloves and sanitizing scissors and all that, pretty sure noone does that. Maybe filtered water or somerhing but boiled and sanitized scissors with gloves and a facemask under a flowhood is a bit Overkill for a rehudrate for flush two.

:randy2:

I recently had a tub turn green afyer I harvested and put the lid on. Day or two later went to add water and there was green shit. Gross...

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