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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
    #25322448 - 07/12/18 02:18 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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The entire point of the myc lifecycle is to produce fruits. It doesn't make sense to me that it would stop fruiting just because there are spores present. It would make more sense for the myc to be pushing out as much fruits as possible no matter what

But I just grow em, I'm no scientist



Me either, I see RRs point though if you think about it spores dropping is the last part of its lifecycle. Everything it has done in its lifecycle  is to drop those spores to make sure that the spores keep it going. Kind of like some animals that die after they reproduce. I don’t agree or disagree with it I don’t know enough to have an opinion on it anyway.




Except that myc doesnt die after it reproduces.  We already know that.

That's definitely where I remember reading it from though, that bit from RR or recitations of it.

I also remember reading that one of the world's largest organisms is a gigantic mycelium network somewhere.

Clearly that sucker isnt dying off every time it reproduces.  :smile:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sivarted]
    #25322451 - 07/12/18 02:22 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

3.7 square mile genetically identical mycelium field calculated to be thousands of years old.

So much for senescence, eh?  And definitely not dying off when it reproduces.  :laugh:

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141114-the-biggest-organism-in-the-world


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sivarted]
    #25322452 - 07/12/18 02:24 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I guess it was just old broscience lol


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
    #25322459 - 07/12/18 02:29 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Well, to be fair, honey fungus isnt cubensis, and the two could have very different lifecycles and mechanisms.

I dunno.  I'm still going to try to harvest before spores drop, but not feel like everything's gone to shit if I don't manage to.  :smile:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sivarted]
    #25322589 - 07/12/18 03:47 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I had a tub that I ignored for weeks. It was a big spore mess but it was definitely still cranking out shrooms.

This was one that was produced by the neglected tub.

Probably 4th or 5th flush.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25322629 - 07/12/18 04:10 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I kinda almost want to let mine not run past a second flush just due to diminishing returns, and the fact that they get so goddamned big.  Haha


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sivarted]
    #25322630 - 07/12/18 04:12 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Nothing wrong with big shrooms! My first three shoeboxes only got two flushes and I tossed them because I no longer trusted them :lol: and these will only get two because I leave on Saturday for a week. I don’t want to leave a tub sitting for a week while I’m gone


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sivarted]
    #25322636 - 07/12/18 04:15 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Sivarted said:
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Legend21 said:
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pixelpopper said:
The entire point of the myc lifecycle is to produce fruits. It doesn't make sense to me that it would stop fruiting just because there are spores present. It would make more sense for the myc to be pushing out as much fruits as possible no matter what

But I just grow em, I'm no scientist



Me either, I see RRs point though if you think about it spores dropping is the last part of its lifecycle. Everything it has done in its lifecycle  is to drop those spores to make sure that the spores keep it going. Kind of like some animals that die after they reproduce. I don’t agree or disagree with it I don’t know enough to have an opinion on it anyway.




Except that myc doesnt die after it reproduces.  We already know that.

That's definitely where I remember reading it from though, that bit from RR or recitations of it.

I also remember reading that one of the world's largest organisms is a gigantic mycelium network somewhere.

Clearly that sucker isnt dying off every time it reproduces.  :smile:



In nature, a mycelial bed will produce fruit every year with optimal conditions, a load of spores on the ground may be a seasonal indicator in the wild... the network you speak of is a honey fungus in Oregon


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
    #25322637 - 07/12/18 04:15 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I'd much rather have smaller shrooms than big honkers like this that dry out to 6g:



(That's 6g dry just for the biggest one btw, not all of those total.  Or somewhere around there, I don't remember the final weight.)


Edited by Sivarted (07/12/18 04:29 PM)


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25322651 - 07/12/18 04:25 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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In nature, a mycelial bed will produce fruit every year with optimal conditions, a load of spores on the ground may be a seasonal indicator in the wild... the network you speak of is inn Oregon




As far as I know, in nature, mycelium produces fruit whenever the conditions are right for doing so.  In some areas that is primarily spring and fall, in others wild edibles can be found all year round.

Cultivated oysters still produce multiple flushes despite fucktons of spores, etc.

But yeah, it's certainly possible spores give a signal to stop fruiting and regenerate.  That either doesnt appear to happen with cubes, or the timeline is short enough that we don't notice.

It's definitely not a "you're done, die now" signal though. Since we get multiple flushes even with spore-covered substrates, and since that network is thousands of years old.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sivarted]
    #25322654 - 07/12/18 04:27 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Honestly, that could be the reason we have distinct flushes at all (unlike my last set, that just kept growing and growing).

In which case the timeline is what we already expect before they start up again.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sivarted]
    #25322657 - 07/12/18 04:28 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Honestly, that could be the reason we have distinct flushes at all (unlike my last set, that just kept growing and growing).

In which case the timeline is what we already expect before they start up again.



Interesting none the less... I saw continued growth through 3 flushes, when I let mature for prints, it took a break for like 3 days, so makes sense


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25322778 - 07/12/18 05:48 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I think i made my coir too wet, and am wondering how i should go about getting a second flush. The surface still has a decent amount of beads all over it, and the sub still feels fairly heavy.

Do you guys think i should not rehydrate, and just let them just keep doing there thing after i harvest? Or should i still bottom water, even though the coir was initially too wet? Ill post a picture of one of the 1 quart tubs below.


Ill probably finish harvesting tonight. If you zoom in you can see theres still a lot of moisture on the surface.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25322790 - 07/12/18 06:00 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

What a shame all those aborted :frown:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Aunit]
    #25322795 - 07/12/18 06:03 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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What a shame all those aborted :frown:



I know Im thinking its because i made my coir too wet :sad::facepalm3: Im hoping i can make up for all of those aborts in the next flushes.


Edited by flyhighfunguy (07/12/18 06:09 PM)


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25322801 - 07/12/18 06:11 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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flyhighfunguy said:
I think i made my coir too wet, and am wondering how i should go about getting a second flush. The surface still has a decent amount of beads all over it, and the sub still feels fairly heavy.

Do you guys think i should not rehydrate, and just let them just keep doing there thing after i harvest? Or should i still bottom water, even though the coir was initially too wet? Ill post a picture of one of the 1 quart tubs below.


Ill probably finish harvesting tonight. If you zoom in you can see theres still a lot of moisture on the surface.




Just put the lid back on and only mist very lightly when needed.
Personally I'd mist it once after harvest,put the lid on and wait for 2nd flush pins.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushroomnate]
    #25322815 - 07/12/18 06:22 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Why would wet sub cause aborts...? I would think they would just suck up all the water.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25322898 - 07/12/18 07:07 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

This cap has opened and I can’t get to the mushroom without messing up the other ones next to it oh well not the biggest problem


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25322913 - 07/12/18 07:15 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Aunit said:
What a shame all those aborted :frown:



I know Im thinking its because i made my coir too wet :sad::facepalm3: Im hoping i can make up for all of those aborts in the next flushes.



Judging by their fuzzy, even flattened feet,I believe FAE to be root... perhaps increasing air may help? Even if too much moisture is present, these guys needed air

EDIT: or contaminant...


Edited by Caps McGee (07/12/18 07:17 PM)


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
    #25322915 - 07/12/18 07:15 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)


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