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flyhighfunguy


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
#25300972 - 06/30/18 02:14 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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flyhighfunguy said: i should just keep letting it do its thing and keep an eye on them? Kinda confused by this post lol
yes dude. stop trying to 'fix' a problem you may/may not understand. just let them grow, note the surface conditions.. adjust next time. something the surface conditions thread and lots of others forget is that ambient conditions play a huge role as well.
and only you know those cause we are not in your house with you.
Yea i see what your saying, i guess im just bummed that i thought i finally got my conditions right, and now all of a sudden im getting nothing but side/bottom pins.
I know that ambient conditions are different everywhere, but i finally was able to get natural beads of moisture produced like they said in that thread. I thought that this meant i have everything dialed in for my specific ambient conditions.
The more ive been growing, the more it seems like that surface condition thread is just very misleading. I finally achieved pretty much exactly what the surface condition thread looks like, and my results are seemingly worse than ever before.
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Legend21 said: He was joking because mush it said don’t listen to anybody just watch your sub. In all honesty I think my first 3 shoeboxes did so well because I left them alone. I didn’t mist, I didn’t open them before they had a good pinset, and I didn’t overly love them causing more harm. This round I kept opening the lid to check on their process and to see how the sub was doing. Now I’m having side and bottom pins as well. I’m thinking I caused more harm then good by checking on them worrying how they’re colonizing and messing with them before they have a pinset.
The first ones (also my first ever grow) literally just sat with the tub closed the whole time until I one day just Happened to check and saw a nice pinset. At that point I unlatched the lids and let them be and they rewarded me much more then these that I’m opening and hacking and worrying about. Just set and forget
My first three tubs all ended up like this with no side pins and I believe now it’s because I left them alone to do what they needed to


Thats the thing. I was planning on not touching these at all and just doing it how you do. Some of my shoeboxes have not been touched at all yet until today, and there are still what seems to be a bunch of side/bottom pins forming. Yet i have a lot of people saying my surface conditions look perfect. 
Does this look too wet you think? Could too many droplets prevent pins from forming? According to the surface condition thread, i thought this was perfect:
Edited by flyhighfunguy (06/30/18 02:15 PM)
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
#25300974 - 06/30/18 02:15 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The first ones (also my first ever grow) literally just sat with the tub closed the whole time until I one day just Happened to check and saw a nice pinset. At that point I unlatched the lids and let them be and they rewarded me much more then these that I’m opening and hacking and worrying about. Just set and forget
ding ding ding!!
the surface thread is for a big ass mono. granted its all the same stuff but you really cant compare apples.. to uhh.. larger apples, ya kno?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25300978 - 06/30/18 02:16 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The first ones (also my first ever grow) literally just sat with the tub closed the whole time until I one day just Happened to check and saw a nice pinset. At that point I unlatched the lids and let them be and they rewarded me much more then these that I’m opening and hacking and worrying about. Just set and forget
ding ding ding!!
Thats exactly what ive done tho. Most of these tubs have literally not been touched since spawning. I saw that i had a nice beaded surface through the side of the tubs, so ive just let them be. and now all of a sudden ive got a ton of bottom/side pins.
I thought you recommended flipping the lids, so i did so earlier this morning. Should i snap the lids back on?
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The first ones (also my first ever grow) literally just sat with the tub closed the whole time until I one day just Happened to check and saw a nice pinset. At that point I unlatched the lids and let them be and they rewarded me much more then these that I’m opening and hacking and worrying about. Just set and forget
ding ding ding!!
the surface thread is for a big ass mono. granted its all the same stuff but you really cant compare apples.. to uhh.. larger apples, ya kno?
Whaaat. Well thats a mind fuck right there. So that surface condition thread is not applicable to shoeboxes? Should i not have been following that at all? I thought that surface conditions were surface condtions no matter what. Fuuuck this gets more and more confusing by the minute lol
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because your sub is probably too wet and evaporation wasnt happening?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25300985 - 06/30/18 02:22 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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bro.
you are making leaps and bounds about stuff. i did not say its not applicable. i said its for monos. you are growing a shoebox.
so dont take it all as gospel. dont take anything anyone says as gospel. you are the cultivator. you already said your dryer shoeboxes performed better. so whats the confusion??? make them slightly drier next time.
YOU take any subject and ask 20 different peoples opinions and you will get 20 different answers all for the same shit. you already know what to do. make them drier. your current shoeboxes are what they are. you cant always fix whats already messed up.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25300989 - 06/30/18 02:25 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said: because your sub is probably too wet and evaporation wasnt happening? 
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mushboy said: bro.
you are making leaps and bounds about stuff. i did not say its not applicable. i said its for monos. you are growing a shoebox.
so dont take it all as gospel. dont take anything anyone says as gospel. you are the cultivator. you already said your dryer shoeboxes performed better. so whats the confusion??? make them slightly drier next time.
Oh i guess i misunderstood what you said. When you say its only for monutubs, i took that as meaning it is not for shoeboxes.
Ill definitely prep a little on the drier side next time. Im just very confused now to as to what im aiming for. Am i aiming for beads of moisture. Am i aiming for no beads of moisture since this isnt a monotub. Oy vey lol my brain hurts
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OR!! check out bods thread about bagging it and ignore 300+ pages of this threads flipped lid, mist this and that BS and just bag it and walk away.
you still want 'beads of moisture' but stop chasing the dragon in a sense. doing that will make you one sad panda.
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Just wait and see what happens. Then next time try making two or three differently and see which one you like best. Make one a little more on the dry side, one in between, and one slightly less wet then yours now and see which does best. I feel your frustration but it’s just trial and error at this point. F**k up until you luck up I’m in the same boat as you.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25300999 - 06/30/18 02:31 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said: OR!! check out bods thread about bagging it and ignore 300+ pages of this threads flipped lid, mist this and that BS and just bag it and walk away.
you still want 'beads of moisture' but stop chasing the dragon in a sense. doing that will make you one sad panda.
But yesterday you yourself recommended a flipped lid. You said you would of flipped the lids a long time ago. Then you quoted Legends above saying its best to leave the lid just snapped on. Now your saying to put a bag over it. Not trying to come off nasty or anything in any way if i am, i just really want to figure out the correct thing to do here.
So the surface condition thread is applicable to shoeboxes as well, but if i dont have beads of moisture i shouldnt worry about it? So even if theres zero beads on the surface, you just wouldnt mist and resist "chasing the dragon"?
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Just wait and see what happens. Then next time try making two or three differently and see which one you like best. Make one a little more on the dry side, one in between, and one slightly less wet then yours now and see which does best. I feel your frustration but it’s just trial and error at this point. F**k up until you luck up I’m in the same boat as you.
So you personally would just leave the lid snapped on you think, and unflip them?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25301013 - 06/30/18 02:39 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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flyhighfunguy said:
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mushboy said: OR!! check out bods thread about bagging it and ignore 300+ pages of this threads flipped lid, mist this and that BS and just bag it and walk away.
you still want 'beads of moisture' but stop chasing the dragon in a sense. doing that will make you one sad panda.
But yesterday you yourself recommended a flipped lid. You said you would of flipped the lids a long time ago. Then you quoted Legends above saying its best to leave the lid just snapped on. Now your saying to put a bag over it. Not trying to come off nasty or anything in any way if i am, i just really want to figure out the correct thing to do here.
So the surface condition thread is applicable to shoeboxes as well, but if i dont have beads of moisture i shouldnt worry about it? So even if theres zero beads on the surface, you just wouldnt mist and resist "chasing the dragon"?
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Just wait and see what happens. Then next time try making two or three differently and see which one you like best. Make one a little more on the dry side, one in between, and one slightly less wet then yours now and see which does best. I feel your frustration but it’s just trial and error at this point. F**k up until you luck up I’m in the same boat as you.
So you personally would just leave the lid snapped on you think, and unflip them?
I just meant that’s what I did. Left it snapped until I saw pins. But I’m your circumstance just follow what they both recommended yesterday and unlatch the lid or flip the lid. He’s just giving you different options to keep it super simple.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25301024 - 06/30/18 02:44 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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like i said, i wasnt trying to come off in any negative way if i did. Its just that since yesterday you have given me three completely different recommendations regarding the lid (Flipped, Snapped on, and now bagged). Was just trying to figure out which one you personally would recommend, since i followed your first advice and flipped the lids. I seriously appreciate all the help. You've helped me alot since i started out. My bad if i offended you or something.
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I just meant that’s what I did. Left it snapped until I saw pins. But I’m your circumstance just follow what they both recommended yesterday and unlatch the lid or flip the lid. He’s just giving you different options to keep it super simple.
Alright sweet ill just leave the lids flipped. I can be pretty indecisive so ive just gotta pick one thing and roll with it lmao. Looks like no matter what ill be getting side/bottom pins during this grow i guess. Gotta fuck up until i luck up like you said lmao. I appreciate the help
Edited by flyhighfunguy (06/30/18 02:49 PM)
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
#25301034 - 06/30/18 02:49 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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As excellent as the surface conditions thread is, it has lead many grower (including myself) into "chasing the dragon" as mushboy put it.
The info in that thread is great for the information itself and understanding how it all works, but when you start trying to make all your sub surfaces look exactly like the best photos you can get into trouble.
If you pick up your box and its still heavy, there should still be plenty of moisture happening in there even if it looks dry.
This is why I said its better in the beginning to just stay hands off and watch it all do its thing. The more you just watch what happens naturally when you aren't always fucking with it, the more you'll understand exactly what's going on. The more you understand what's going on, the less you need to question every little detail of what you should do
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Lol like i said i wasnt trying to come off in any negative way if i did. Its just that since yesterday you have given me three completely different recommendations regarding the lid (Flipped, Snapped on, and now bagged). I seriously appreciate all the help. You've helped me alot since i started out. My bad if i offended you or something.
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I just meant that’s what I did. Left it snapped until I saw pins. But I’m your circumstance just follow what they both recommended yesterday and unlatch the lid or flip the lid. He’s just giving you different options to keep it super simple.
Alright sweet ill just leave the lids flipped. I can be pretty indecisive so ive just gotta pick one thing and roll with it lmao. Looks like no matter what ill be getting side/bottom pins during this grow i guess. Gotta fuck up until i luck up like you said lmao I appreciate the help
Dude, there comes a time when no one is going to be able to tell you what you need to know. You have to learn this stuff for yourself by cultivating. Grow, take notes, adjust and grow again. Just an observation after watching you for several months...you're overthinking it every step of the way. You seem to be afraid to fail. But failing is a good thing. It will teach you what you need to know. No one in here is going to give you that, because they can't.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura]
#25301051 - 06/30/18 02:54 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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pixelpopper said: As excellent as the surface conditions thread is, it has lead many grower (including myself) into "chasing the dragon" as mushboy put it.
The info in that thread is great for the information itself and understanding how it all works, but when you start trying to make all your sub surfaces look exactly like the best photos you can get into trouble.
If you pick up your box and its still heavy, there should still be plenty of moisture happening in there even if it looks dry.
This is why I said its better in the beginning to just stay hands off and watch it all do its thing. The more you just watch what happens naturally when you aren't always fucking with it, the more you'll understand exactly what's going on. The more you understand what's going on, the less you need to question every little detail of what you should do
Yea i see what your saying. Im between either leaving the lid flipped, or just snapping them back on. Im gonna decide for sure by tonight. Im trying to get everything down to where im set and forget, so just leaving the lid snapped on like you suggest would probably be best the best route for learning and getting to that point.
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Dude, there comes a time when no one is going to be able to tell you what you need to know. You have to learn this stuff for yourself by cultivating. Grow, take notes, adjust and grow again. Just an observation after watching you for several months...you're overthinking it every step of the way. You seem to be afraid to fail. But failing is a good thing. It will teach you what you need to know. No one in here is going to give you that, because they can't.
Yea i guess maybe i am a little too afraid to fail. This whole time ive been trying to pull off a perfect grow by achieving what people say are "perfect conditions", but maybe this is what has been holding me back. I definitely am an overthinker, and this hobby is so confusing that it definitely doesnt help lol.
I appreciate the help. I guess ill just let these run their course, and see if i can figure out what i need to tweak in the next one. The issue seems to be figuring out what needs to be tweaked Lol ill stop worrying and just let these do their thing, my bad guys
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura]
#25301052 - 06/30/18 02:55 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asura said: Dude, there comes a time when no one is going to be able to tell you what you need to know. You have to learn this stuff for yourself by cultivating. Grow, take notes, adjust and grow again. Just an observation after watching you for several months...you're overthinking it every step of the way. You seem to be afraid to fail. But failing is a good thing. It will teach you what you need to know. No one in here is going to give you that, because they can't.
Yep.. all of this
The reason you are being told to do different things is because people are recommending specific actions based on your specific questions. But people are also recommending a general way to approach your entire growing method, apart from the specific questions you have.
You just need to allow yourself time to get some grows under your belt and learn some stuff for yourself. There's no way around this part of the process.
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Once you learn by doing, and learn from your failures you will start to see advice here in a different light.
Lotta talk (not directed at anyone personally)
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Asura said: Dude, there comes a time when no one is going to be able to tell you what you need to know. You have to learn this stuff for yourself by cultivating. Grow, take notes, adjust and grow again. Just an observation after watching you for several months...you're overthinking it every step of the way. You seem to be afraid to fail. But failing is a good thing. It will teach you what you need to know. No one in here is going to give you that, because they can't.
Yep.. all of this
The reason you are being told to do different things is because people are recommending specific actions based on your specific questions. But people are also recommending a general way to approach your entire growing method, apart from the specific questions you have.
You just need to allow yourself time to get some grows under your belt and learn some stuff for yourself. There's no way around this part of the process.
Yea i definitely see what your saying. I probably just need to keep on following my gut until i figure out what to do on my own, rather than just asking what to do here whenever things seem to be going wrong. That always seems to just make things worse, possibly because people are recommending things that don't correlate to my ambient conditions I think ill leave the lids flipped for now, and reassess tomorrow. Then whenever this grow is over, ill assess how things went and makes tweaks from there.
I appreciate the help man 
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Once you learn by doing, and learn from your failures you will start to see advice here in a different light.
Lotta talk (not directed at anyone personally)
Yea, ive just gotta follow my gut i guess rather than resorting to here whenever things seem to be going wrong at all. I guess i didnt realize how different of a process it is for everybody, and how you just really need to figure it out on your own for the most part. I appreciate all the help
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25301066 - 06/30/18 03:03 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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And you have to remember even the people you're looking to for answers have shitty performing shoeboxes/tubs/whatever and get contams and all of that
Grows won't always go perfect, and you can't always tweak a tub to perform the way you want it to
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