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Sivarted
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My experience with side pins has been that if I dont get any on the first flush, I'm *very* likely to get a bunch on the second.
Which is fine, because the sub has shrunk enough to give them room to grow.
They'll be a pain to harvest on the first flush, but they're still mushrooms.
Just saw the photo of your sub. It does look pretty wet. Does the myc look waterlogged?
Edited by Sivarted (06/30/18 12:18 PM)
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sivarted]
#25300810 - 06/30/18 12:24 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think it's water logged
I think it's fine 
Just wait and see what happens on the surface
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flyhighfunguy


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sivarted]
#25300817 - 06/30/18 12:27 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Side pins tell you something isn't ideal as far as surface going. What that is is harder to say.
I personally would flip the lid if I saw side pins begining to form hoping the new FAE at the surface encourages pins at the surface, whether it works that way or not idk.
But I would flip the lid then forget about them for a while. Check them later tonight or something, assess the situation again tomorrow.
Dont worry so much, trust. I think RR use to say something like, mushrooms fruit in light of everything we do.
And yeah, basically everything Pixel said
Well sheeeeit, i guess ill think about it for a little and try to decide what seems best. On one hand i want to try flipping the lid, but if that might not even change anything like pixel is saying then idk. 
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Sivarted said: My experience with side pins has been that if I dont get any on the first flush, I'm *very* likely to get a bunch on the second.
Which is fine, because the sub has shrunk enough to give them room to grow.
They'll be a pain to harvest on the first flush, but they're still mushrooms.
Just saw the photo of your sub. It does look pretty wet. Does the myc look waterlogged?
From what i can tell i dont think its waterlogged (im not very experienced so i could be totally wrong). Looks like my boxes have looked in the past that were too dry, but just a ton more beads on the surface.
Thats one of the main things im worrying about. If all of these side knots turn into pins, i feel like its gonna be suuuch a pain in the ass to harvest.
Edited by flyhighfunguy (06/30/18 12:28 PM)
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pixelpopper
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They really aren't hard to harvest. My main annoyance is cleaning off the sub from the stems
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mushboy
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@flyhighfun.
Remember yesterday? And that shoebox on the bottom that I said I liked better? Memba??
How does that ones sides look??
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flyhighfunguy


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25300823 - 06/30/18 12:31 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: I don't think it's water logged
I think it's fine 
Just wait and see what happens on the surface
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pixelpopper said: They really aren't hard to harvest. My main annoyance is cleaning off the sub from the stems
Yea maybe if i do end up getting a ton of side pins ill just completely remove the sub from the tub, so i can more easily get to them. How do you usually go about cleaning off the sub? Brush it off with a toothbrush or something?
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mushboy said: @flyhighfun.
Remember yesterday? And that shoebox on the bottom that I said I liked better? Memba??
How does that ones sides look??
Yup i remember Im gonna go give it a check right now, but im pretty sure every single one of my shoeboxes is doing this. Even the ones that you said you like better
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pixelpopper
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I just scrape the sub off the fruits with my fingers usually.
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pixelpopper
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Early fruiters developing a bit more... hoping for a lot more of the knots/pins to start popping out into fruits
The corner drying really did its thing on all my boxes
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flyhighfunguy


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Welp, i just flipped the lids. Gave the bottom of the tubs a check, and their are a few bottom pins in each of them as well Are these gonna be a pain in the ass to harvest? Im so confused. My tubs that were way too dry and required misting 2-3 times a day, did WAAAAAAY better than these. Those tubs had almost all surface pins. This hobby is a pain in the ass to figure out lmao
Edited by flyhighfunguy (06/30/18 01:22 PM)
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Steevo
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flyhighfunguy said:
How do you usually go about cleaning off the sub? Brush it off with a toothbrush or something?
I cut the ends off. No use fussing when you're harvesting a few zips at a time right
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pixelpopper
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Steevo]
#25300924 - 06/30/18 01:44 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cutting the ends off doesn't work when its a side fruit caked in sub
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Steevo
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Then use a knife and scrape them
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pixelpopper
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Steevo]
#25300929 - 06/30/18 01:47 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just saying he was asking about side fruits...
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mushboy
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My tubs that were way too dry and required misting
let me ask ya. cause im glad you said that...
how do you know the tubs YOU defined as WAY TO DRY, were not just right? stop listen to everyone(including) yourself and watch the subs. you already know the ones you deemed too dry performed better. sounds like they were 'just right'
in other words.... your definitions for whats 'optimal' might not be correct.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy] 1
#25300949 - 06/30/18 01:56 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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My tubs that were way too dry and required misting
let me ask ya. cause im glad you said that...
how do you know the tubs YOU defined as WAY TO DRY, were not just right? stop listen to everyone(including) yourself and watch the subs. you already know the ones you deemed too dry performed better. sounds like they were 'just right'
in other words.... your definitions for whats 'optimal' might not be correct.
Don’t listen to this guy
Just watch the sub
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#25300951 - 06/30/18 01:58 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#25300953 - 06/30/18 01:59 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Germs said: Just watch the sub
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flyhighfunguy


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#25300958 - 06/30/18 02:01 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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My tubs that were way too dry and required misting
let me ask ya. cause im glad you said that...
how do you know the tubs YOU defined as WAY TO DRY, were not just right? stop listen to everyone(including) yourself and watch the subs. you already know the ones you deemed too dry performed better. sounds like they were 'just right'
in other words.... your definitions for whats 'optimal' might not be correct.
I decided they were too dry because of the surface conditions thread. My last batch of tubs with less water never produced any natural beads of moisture, not even a very fine mist. In order to maintain even a very slight mist over the surface, i needed to mist around 2-3 times a day. According to that surface conditions thread, combackkid said that large beads of moisture are beneficial, and that they are key to a good pinset. I then saw that you really shouldnt need to mist a shoebox during the first flush, and decided this means my sub must be too dry.
EDIT: I also forgot to mention, that in my last tubs i got a decent yield, but it seemed like a lot of pins never matured. I had a bunch of pins that started to get slightly yellow colored caps, and then just did nothing. I also had people tell me that my tub looked dry and could probably use a bottom watering. I also showed people a video of my sub, and i was told it looked like it could hold a ton more water.
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Germs said:
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mushboy said:
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My tubs that were way too dry and required misting
let me ask ya. cause im glad you said that...
how do you know the tubs YOU defined as WAY TO DRY, were not just right? stop listen to everyone(including) yourself and watch the subs. you already know the ones you deemed too dry performed better. sounds like they were 'just right'
in other words.... your definitions for whats 'optimal' might not be correct.
Don’t listen to this guy
Just watch the sub
(Disregard this post)
Are you saying not to listen to mushboy? or is there something im missing?
And do you mean that my sub looks fine, and that i should just keep letting it do its thing and keep an eye on them? Kinda confused by this post lol
Edited by flyhighfunguy (06/30/18 02:08 PM)
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mushboy
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flyhighfunguy said: i should just keep letting it do its thing and keep an eye on them? Kinda confused by this post lol
yes dude. stop trying to 'fix' a problem you may/may not understand. just let them grow, note the surface conditions.. adjust next time. something the surface conditions thread and lots of others forget is that ambient conditions play a huge role as well.
and only you know those cause we are not in your house with you.
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Legend21
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He was joking because mush said don’t listen to anybody just watch your sub. In all honesty I think my first 3 shoeboxes did so well because I left them alone. I didn’t mist, I didn’t open them before they had a good pinset, and I didn’t overly love them causing more harm. This round I kept opening the lid to check on their process and to see how the sub was doing. Now I’m having side and bottom pins as well. I’m thinking I caused more harm then good by checking on them worrying how they’re colonizing and messing with them before they have a pinset.
The first ones (also my first ever grow) literally just sat with the tub closed the whole time until I one day just Happened to check and saw a nice pinset. At that point I unlatched the lids and let them be and they rewarded me much more then these that I’m opening and checking and worrying about. Just set and forget
My first three tubs all ended up like this with no side pins and I believe now it’s because I left them alone to do what they needed to

 And here was how the Pinsets looked if you look close you’ll notice I didn’t have any beads of moisture and it looks way too dry and they did awesome
Edited by Legend21 (06/30/18 02:18 PM)
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