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flyhighfunguy


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Failboat]
#25300662 - 06/30/18 11:24 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I made a post about this yesterday, but dont seem to be getting many responses, so i figure posting it here as well probably couldnt hurt.
i finally tweaked my coir recipe and got my substrates to produce beads of moisture on the surface naturally. I have not needed to mist a single time. Yesterday however, i noticed what i believe are side pins/side knots. Im trying to figure out how this is happening, as i thought i finally got my surface conditions perfect. Ill post a picture of the sides and surface below.
What do you guys think. Is this an excessive amount of side pins/knots, and will i have an alright pinset on the surface still you think?

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Enkidu
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maybe increase fae
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mushroomnate
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I suspect the sub was a little wet.I've had similar issues when my sub was overly wet.Put off some wacky fruits as well.Never misted this.It had fat beads of water the whole time.
  
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flyhighfunguy


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Enkidu said: maybe increase fae
Should i flip the lid you think? I was about to do that yesterday but it seemed like the gaps around the lid were huge and that id need to mist a ton. Could it help stop these side pins you think, or now that they are forming theres pretty much nothing i can do?
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mushroomnate said: I suspect the sub was a little wet.I've had similar issues when my sub was overly wet.Put off some wacky fruits as well.Never misted this.It had fat beads of water the whole time.
  

Damn. If my surface is fucked and i just get side pins, will it mess with my overall yield or anything, or do the fruits just not look as pretty? Is there anyway to fix this you think? I figured that the large beads were good according to what the surface condition thread says. I feel like that thread must be outdated or something.
Edited by flyhighfunguy (06/30/18 11:37 AM)
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pixelpopper
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Yea maybe up the FAE by leaving the lid off for a little while, or just cracked and let some good evap get rolling. Just don't overdo it and totally dry it up
Getting the moisture just right is something you just need to get a feel for through experience, trial and error.
You want all the beads, but you also want the surface water to be evaporating enough for the pins to be forming.
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Enkidu
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Yeah i would just flip the lid, your sub isn't fucked
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flyhighfunguy


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25300697 - 06/30/18 11:38 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Yeah i would just flip the lid, your sub isn't fucked
Alright ill go do that right now. I have about 50% humidity in the room, do you think ill need to mist a lot once the lids are flipped? Hopefully i can save these pinsets
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25300707 - 06/30/18 11:41 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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This was from that same wet batch(different tubs).The initial flush was,meh(surface F'ed),but the 2nd flush was good.The side pins were awesome!
  
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flyhighfunguy


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mushroomnate said: This was from that same wet batch(different tubs).The initial flush was,meh(surface F'ed),but the 2nd flush was good.The side pins were awesome!
   
So is the main reason people dont like side pins just because of their appearence? Did you notice any decrease in yield/potency or anything like that with all those side pins?
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pixelpopper
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lol flyhighfunguy you need to relax my dude
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flyhighfunguy


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pixelpopper said: lol flyhighfunguy you need to relax my dude 
I know But doesnt that look like a ton of side pins/side knots? I went from thinking i finally had my surface conditions perfectly nailed down, to now thinking they might be completely fucked
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pixelpopper said: lol flyhighfunguy you need to relax my dude 

Naw, you may need to mist but its probably not necessary. I would mainly avoid it for at least a day or so.
Naw man, side pins are exactly the same as pins on the top except they don't grow as symmetrically uniform as the top where they are free. Same potency man.
Your surface conditions look fine to me, side pins happen sometimes man.
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flyhighfunguy said: I know But doesnt that look like a ton of side pins/side knots? I went from thinking i finally had my surface conditions perfectly nailed down, to now thinking they might be completely fucked 
I think its too early to make any judgments
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pixelpopper said: lol flyhighfunguy you need to relax my dude 

Naw, you may need to mist but its probably not necessary. I would mainly avoid it for at least a day or so.
Naw man, side pins are exactly the same as pins on the top except they don't grow as symmetrically uniform as the top where they are free. Same potency man.
Your surface conditions look fine to me, side pins happen sometimes man.
Alright cool, ill go give them a flip then. It seemed like flipping them created way larger gaps around the lid, so i figured id need to mist a bunch if i flipped em. I was hoping to have these be fairly set and forget using just the lids snapped on, but maybe i need to make my coir a little less wet for that or something. If i do get side pins, at least it wont fuck up the yield/potency.Quote:
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flyhighfunguy said: I know But doesnt that look like a ton of side pins/side knots? I went from thinking i finally had my surface conditions perfectly nailed down, to now thinking they might be completely fucked 
I think its too early to make any judgments
Is it possible that all of those side knots will never form into pins, as long as i flip the lid and provide proper conditions on the surface?
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Anythings possible
The only reason side pins are bad is because they are kind of annoying to harvest. They get substrate on the sides of the fruit that you have to clean off and you have to lift the sub up a bit to pull them out, etc.
And you'd prefer the sub to direct its fruiting energy to a canopy on the surface
Other than this, there's nothing bad about side boobs
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You can set them and forget them man. I do it a lot regardless of whats going on and they seem to do pretty good as long as the sub isn't too far from field capacity and the spawn was clean
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25300776 - 06/30/18 12:09 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its probably more helpful while you're learning to set and forget, really
You mess with them too much before you know the deal, then you don't really know what caused what
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Enkidu said: You can set them and forget them man. I do it a lot regardless of whats going on and they seem to do pretty good as long as the sub isn't too far from field capacity and the spawn was clean
Do you think that my side problem isn't excessive enough to just keep doing set and forget?
This is only my second grow, so my eyes aren't very trained yet. Is that excessive enough to where you'd prob flip the lids? Or is this not even that many side pins?

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pixelpopper said: Its probably more helpful while you're learning to set and forget, really
You mess with them too much before you know the deal, then you don't really know what caused what
so you'd personally just leave them be with the lid snapped on you think? Regardless of if im seeing side pins or not?
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There's really not much you can do about side pins once they are forming
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Side pins tell you something isn't ideal as far as surface going. What that is is harder to say.
I personally would flip the lid if I saw side pins begining to form hoping the new FAE at the surface encourages pins at the surface, whether it works that way or not idk.
But I would flip the lid then forget about them for a while. Check them later tonight or something, assess the situation again tomorrow.
Dont worry so much, trust. I think RR use to say something like, mushrooms fruit in light of everything we do.
And yeah, basically everything Pixel said
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