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senseit
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Josex]
#25241828 - 05/31/18 11:14 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: I never really noticed old jars cause me problems when spawned but definitely could be, especially if it was bacterial and it spread of something idk
I mist when needed for surface conditions if needed, usually after I start seeing pins emerge or to keep good surface conditions if needed, then inmodt once I start getting fruits to give extra water
If you haven't seen this
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053/fpart/all/vc/1
As much as I value that thread, one very important thing that was not mentioned is that in order to achieve a nice surface like that in a natural way all has to be right. If you botched something up along the way (like bacterial spawn, too dry of a sub, too much air exposure, etc.) then good luck achieving a good surface.
When the sub is not healthy myc reacts to whatever is sharing the resources with it, it weakens its network and even its ability to move water as efficiently, so that's why imo unhealthy myc usually lacks the ability to keep proper surface conditions by itself and won't form those nice beads of moisture on the surface as easily.
It leads noobs to think that they should always strive to keep the surface like that even if they have some bacterial ass shoebox/tub that simply won't make that possible. Then keep misting but they can't quite get the surface looking like that, so they mist some more. Then they freak out because the surface is starting to look wet but no nice beads of moisture to be seen, so they keep misting and upping the FAE in the hopes of improving the situation, which ends up making it worse and leads to all those ruined and matted surfaces we often see here.
All those beads form naturally when the sub is healthy and it's the cultivator's job to keep it that way till pins, be it by misting when needed or no misting at all if your climate and grow style will allow a set and forget approach.
Yeah, I wish I had known that for my first few shoeboxes before I realized I was completely drowning my sub. It should be added to that thread, it's very useful info.
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mushboy
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: senseit]
#25241831 - 05/31/18 11:17 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think ur micromanaging a bit.. but i get how you do it now. thanks! 
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SebQc
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25241845 - 05/31/18 11:39 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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mushboy said: i think ur micromanaging a bit.. but i get how you do it now. thanks!  
Yea i know, but i didnt had the choice with those shoeboxes if i wanted those part to have nice surface conditions. But i got myself some real sterilite shoeboxes, i spawned them a couple days ago, ill see if i can get them work without that micromanaging
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: SebQc] 1
#25241866 - 06/01/18 12:08 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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First flush on my 4 shoeboxes, cracker dry, 162g 

Yes, im gonna make some tea on Saturday , tomorrow's last work day gonna be long
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: SebQc]
#25241906 - 06/01/18 12:59 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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*super juicy shroomery drama*
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mullugh
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: SebQc]
#25241914 - 06/01/18 01:24 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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SebQc said: First flush on my 4 shoeboxes, cracker dry, 162g 

Yes, im gonna make some tea on Saturday , tomorrow's last work day gonna be long 
Wooahhh applause....
Do you just keep them in those jars at room temperature indefinitely? Do you pop any silicone in with them? Just curious....
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SebQc
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mullugh]
#25241919 - 06/01/18 01:46 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those are my first mushroom, so for the moment ill keep them like that, i dont know how many time i could keep them like that, i guess a while since those are cracker dry. But ill prolly get a vacuum sealing system.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: SebQc]
#25241931 - 06/01/18 02:02 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd recommend those silicone packs. You can buy them in bulk for not much. Pop a couple in each jar and maybe keep refrigerated. That's just my two pence
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mullugh]
#25241932 - 06/01/18 02:03 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Amazing haul for first attempt
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DetectivePopcorn
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mullugh]
#25242083 - 06/01/18 05:51 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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My current projects
First flush PE

First flush Huatla, without a casing layer because I ran out of substrate, but theys a' growin' just fine

Fourth and final flush Huatla

First flush Huatla

Annnd the agar that time forgot (started 4-14-18, so not really that old lol)

I just always want to say thanks, everyone is so helpful in this community.
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mullugh
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Excellent work
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: SebQc]
#25242947 - 06/01/18 03:39 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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SebQc said: First flush on my 4 shoeboxes, cracker dry, 162g 

Yes, im gonna make some tea on Saturday , tomorrow's last work day gonna be long 
   DAMN! 40g dry per box! Sik!! Killin it!!
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: SebQc]
#25243210 - 06/01/18 06:06 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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SebQc said: First flush on my 4 shoeboxes, cracker dry, 162g 

Yes, im gonna make some tea on Saturday , tomorrow's last work day gonna be long 
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hermanium


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato]
#25244077 - 06/02/18 08:41 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know the discussion of FAE has been runout, but I'm reading Stamets' Mushroom Cultivator and see recommendations for p. cubes during the "post-casing/prepinning" to prefer a CO2 of 5000-10,000 ppm and 0 FAE per hour.
Mushboy et. al., do you think the substrate, only during the colonization/prepinning stage, would benefit if the there was even less fresh air exchange, perhaps a seran/plastic wrapped tightly over the top of the shoebox? Perhaps this would produce a better pinset? The closed shoebox still allows fresh air exchange and I wonder if this is too much (during the prepinning stage) as the requirements for p. cubes, stated by Stamets, may be different.
Anybody ever use a CO2 gauge/measuring device in a shoebox grow?
Edited by hermanium (06/02/18 08:43 AM)
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: hermanium] 1
#25244081 - 06/02/18 08:44 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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hermanium


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25244084 - 06/02/18 08:47 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why?
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: hermanium]
#25244087 - 06/02/18 08:50 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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hermanium said: I know the discussion of FAE has been runout, but I'm reading Stamets' Mushroom Cultivator and see recommendations for p. cubes during the "post-casing/prepinning" to prefer a CO2 of 5000-10,000 ppm and 0 FAE per hour.
Mushboy et. al., do you think the substrate, only during the colonization/prepinning stage, would benefit if the there was even less fresh air exchange, perhaps a seran/plastic wrapped tightly over the top of the shoebox? Perhaps this would produce a better pinset? The closed shoebox still allows fresh air exchange and I wonder if this is too much (during the prepinning stage) as the requirements for p. cubes, stated by Stamets, may be different.
Anybody ever use a CO2 gauge/measuring device in a shoebox grow?
Those figures were likely pulled out of his ass. As if he measured FAEs per hour. Most of that book is his opinions.
Pay attention to the mushrooms and your substrate. Forget what some 40 year old paper weight says
A decent co2 meter costs a small fortune. Not only that but then theres sampling error since location of the probe/meter can make a world of difference in the numbers it gives
Any one who actually does science lists their materials and methods. Like what meter was used, how it was calibrated/maintained, how it was setup and used. etc.. if it doesn't have that info its bullshit
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hermanium


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bodhisatta said:
Any one who actually does science lists their materials and methods. Like what meter was used, how it was calibrated/maintained, how it was setup and used. etc.. if it doesn't have that info its bullshit
That's true. His experience is anecdotal at best.
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: hermanium]
#25244330 - 06/02/18 11:16 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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You could try it and see for yourself.
If you do let us know the results.
Preferable you use the same genetics and attempt to make them identical but I would be curious to see how tour saran wrapped shoebox performs.
Seems like you need SOME fae but idk, like I said, j would be interested to see tour results if you try it
Maybe people already have limited fae to about 0 though
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hermanium


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25244390 - 06/02/18 11:55 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Different question. When we say 1 qt of spawn and a 1:1 ratio, do we adjust for the fact that a 1 qt jar of grain spawn actually has less than a quart of spawn because we leave room for shaking and we compensate by using 2 quart jars to get an actual volume of 1 quart? Thanks
Edited by hermanium (06/02/18 11:56 AM)
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