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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Add_Acid]
#25240005 - 05/31/18 08:59 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dry ?
Somethings looking off. I leave the lid on a while and leave humidity high and co2 high while developing pinset then increase fae after pinset, but that's just me, more than one way to do it.
Sub was field capacity ? That seems important. Maybe a contam or something ? Or maybe sub was dry ?
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Germs
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25240987 - 05/31/18 04:48 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks like not-so-great spawn caused that more so than conditions
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#25241039 - 05/31/18 05:11 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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when do people start misting their shoeboxes?
i got some showing some nice growth after 3 days and it is my first time running them
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: thelanzii]
#25241056 - 05/31/18 05:21 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I try not to mist til after the first flush.
PF Redspore. 2nd flush. The sub in the last pick broke in half during first flush harvest. Still came out ok.

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Add_Acid
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#25241077 - 05/31/18 05:34 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Germs said: Looks like not-so-great spawn caused that more so than conditions
As in genetics? The spawn was 100% colonized for 2-3 weeks before it was spawned to bulk and was worried that would cause issues.
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Germs
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Add_Acid]
#25241101 - 05/31/18 05:43 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Add_Acid said:
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Germs said: Looks like not-so-great spawn caused that more so than conditions
As in genetics? The spawn was 100% colonized for 2-3 weeks before it was spawned to bulk and was worried that would cause issues.
That could definitely be the cause right there. Not genetics but the jar being consolidated that long. Typically, cubensis spawn should be spawned at 100%
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Add_Acid]
#25241105 - 05/31/18 05:44 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I never really noticed old jars cause me problems when spawned but definitely could be, especially if it was bacterial and it spread of something idk
I mist when needed for surface conditions if needed, usually after I start seeing pins emerge or to keep good surface conditions if needed, then inmodt once I start getting fruits to give extra water
If you haven't seen this
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053/fpart/all/vc/1
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25241239 - 05/31/18 06:50 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Imo it is possible but I'm only saying that based on my experience with those tubs I intentionally did a bit dry and they fucking sucked.
You can send me a video if you like I can definitely tell you if that's about how I do mine or not, or try out what some other people say 
You'll figure it out and get it down
Alright sweet, Ill prob just try out adding a little more water to my recipe. Ill start out with 4.5 quarts probably and then send u over the vid before i use it for anything.
Should i spawn my jars as soon as the top, bottom, and all the visible sides are colonized, or should i give it a few days to ensure the middle is colonized as well?
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Enkidu
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As soon as you can see all the spots on the outside of the jar are colonized you're good
Once I see that I usually prep my sub and spawn it the next day unless I'm being lazy
For the record,I don't fish
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu] 1
#25241325 - 05/31/18 07:26 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: I never really noticed old jars cause me problems when spawned but definitely could be, especially if it was bacterial and it spread of something idk
I mist when needed for surface conditions if needed, usually after I start seeing pins emerge or to keep good surface conditions if needed, then inmodt once I start getting fruits to give extra water
If you haven't seen this
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053/fpart/all/vc/1
As much as I value that thread, one very important thing that was not mentioned is that in order to achieve a nice surface like that in a natural way all has to be right. If you botched something up along the way (like bacterial spawn, too dry of a sub, too much air exposure, etc.) then good luck achieving a good surface.
When the sub is not healthy myc reacts to whatever is sharing the resources with it, it weakens its network and even its ability to move water as efficiently, so that's why imo unhealthy myc usually lacks the ability to keep proper surface conditions by itself and won't form those nice beads of moisture on the surface as easily.
It leads noobs to think that they should always strive to keep the surface like that even if they have some bacterial ass shoebox/tub that simply won't make that possible. Then keep misting but they can't quite get the surface looking like that, so they mist some more. Then they freak out because the surface is starting to look wet but no nice beads of moisture to be seen, so they keep misting and upping the FAE in the hopes of improving the situation, which ends up making it worse and leads to all those ruined and matted surfaces we often see here.
All those beads form naturally when the sub is healthy and it's the cultivator's job to keep it that way till pins, be it by misting when needed or no misting at all if your climate and grow style will allow a set and forget approach.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Josex]
#25241360 - 05/31/18 07:41 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Josex]
#25241368 - 05/31/18 07:44 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah that's all true,he was asking sbiut misting so I figured if he didn't see that it might help 
But yeah, I agree with everything you said really.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25241372 - 05/31/18 07:45 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I did say "if needed" like 3 times
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25241402 - 05/31/18 07:54 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: I did say "if needed" like 3 times 
I know I know 
It's just something that's been in the back of my head for quite some time and just saw the opportunity to say it.
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Josex]
#25241405 - 05/31/18 07:56 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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No it's definitely good of you to say it for sure. Definitely lots of problems with people still not misting correctly and good of you to correct and provide another important aspect if it that I didn't 
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25241761 - 05/31/18 10:27 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dont know yet for the real sterilite shoeboxe, but with those i was using, the sub was drying each day only about 1 - 1 1/2 inch all the contour of the shoeboxe, i didnt have that problem with the rest of the sub.
Like that

So i only misted those area, not misting center, all first flush long, and that went good.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: SebQc]
#25241780 - 05/31/18 10:32 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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SebQc said: So i only misted those area, not misting center
how are you misting? i hold the mister like 3ft away from the tote. no way in hell can i localize my misting without saturating.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25241790 - 05/31/18 10:38 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im misting like you, i just cover the part i dont wanna mist with the lid, i repeat for all the part i want to mist
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: SebQc]
#25241797 - 05/31/18 10:41 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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but its such a small ass tote 
the mechanics just dont sound right...
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25241825 - 05/31/18 11:12 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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mushboy said: but its such a small ass tote 
the mechanics just dont sound right...
Bah i dont know dude, its easy as this

If i only want to mist the right side, i mist over that part, it worked fine.
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