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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Zero Nowhere]
    #25239088 - 05/30/18 07:42 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Well if you just poured more than you should, leaving it pooling for some hours isn't going to be a problem.

Idk, I never bottom watered shoeboxes but I did bottom-water cased grains in a shoebox (2 quarts of spawn) and 60ml of water gets absorbed real quick.

However I've bottom-watered lots of bigger tubs and depending on how heavy the flush is some will absorb 60ml real quick and bigger flushes can take 2 shots with the 60 ml syringe in a matter of hours, no pooling whatsoever.

Do you have any pics of that shoebox? maybe it doesn't even need bottom watering.



Unfortunately the subs are in there fifth flush and have a ton of aborts/pins with yellow-ish caps that never matured grow (Still completely unable to figure out why, no one seems to know). And they have already been bottom watering for a few hours, so it would probably be hard to tell at this point.

Even if they didnt need the water that bad, could it hurt it at all? I figure if they need some water they'll absorb it, and whatever they dont really need just gets dumped off and doesnt really hurt anything right?

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My understanding of bottom watering is to help with heavy flushes so they can flesh out a tad more. If you have to bottom water a shoebox because the sub just dries out then I think you need to up the water content of your sub when you prep it.




I thought that bottom watering was only for heavy flushes as well, however mushboy told me that bottom watering is how he rehydrates his sub before flushes. I always thought it was necessary to fully dunk the substrate under water before flushes, but he said he just bottom waters and i think it seems to be working alright :shrug:




How does this look? I used 4 quarts water, 650 grams coir, 2 quarts vermiculite, 1 cup gypsum.

Should i try adding more water you think?

Everyone told me it looked great when i posted that video, but then once the tub was fruiting they said it may have looked a little dry and could maybe use a bottom water. :confused:

EDIT: are you guys not needing to rehydrate at all between flushes?? I always thought it was necessary and have been dunking or bottom watering after every flush. Do i just need to add more water while prepping the sub instead?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25239096 - 05/30/18 07:46 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Definitely need to rehydrate between flushes. At least if you want to maximize yield as quickly as possible.

Also, I do my sub a little wetter than that,if I squeezed that hard I would have a nice trinkle.

How many drops was that ? Definitely more than that for my sub, that's just my sub :shrug:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25239101 - 05/30/18 07:49 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I pour water on after the second flush.  The tribal dunk. I may be dunking too much.  I don't know


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25239110 - 05/30/18 07:50 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Definitely need to rehydrate between flushes. At least if you want to maximize yield as quickly as possible.

Also, I do my sub a little wetter than that,if I squeezed that hard I would have a nice trinkle.

How many drops was that ? Definitely more than that for my sub, that's just my sub :shrug:



Yea thats what i thought. Not sure what they mean by not having to add water in a while.

And hmmmm. Maybe ill try adding like another half a quart then you think? Or should i try another full quart of water, for a total of 5? As you could see i was squeezing fairly hard, and i would say about a dozen or so drops would come out but it would never really trickle like your saying.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25239122 - 05/30/18 07:53 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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How does this look? I used 4 quarts water, 650 grams coir, 2 quarts vermiculite, 1 cup gypsum.

Should i try adding more water you think?

Everyone told me it looked great when i posted that video, but then once the tub was fruiting they said it may have looked a little dry and could maybe use a bottom water. :confused:

EDIT: are you guys not needing to rehydrate at all between flushes?? I always thought it was necessary and have been dunking or bottom watering after every flush. Do i just need to add more water while prepping the sub instead?




Well, if everyone told you it looks great Imma be the first dick telling you otherwise, that's on the very dry side of field capacity for cvg, IMO. That sub can take lots more water and still be within acceptable field capacity ranges.

I always do this (minus the straw) and when I squeeze it hard there's def more water dripping down and still the sub just feels perfect.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Zero Nowhere]
    #25239129 - 05/30/18 07:55 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

If you have 2 mushrooms then maybe you don't need to rehydrate after flush 1.

I always pour in a shit load of water after flush one.

I put the lid on for a day or two then add a shit load of water, then pour it out 4 hours later or something or once I remember I forgot I bottom watered.

5 flushes ? That's a lot. Maybe the sub is getting spent ? I usually throw after about 3 or once I get really annoyed that they keep pushing out boomers.

And yeah, I agree, that looks dry to me but to each their own I guess ? Idk what other people's looks like but mine seem to perform better with a bit more than that.

Probably not a lot more, but that squeeze would be a nice trinkle for me. Maybe I'll try and take a video next time or I bet bod has one since he has a tek for everything.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Zero Nowhere]
    #25239133 - 05/30/18 07:56 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

My first grow and first two shoeboxes spawned 7 days ago.
Each one is about 1/2 q rye spawn to 1.5q Coir/verm. With a 1/2 q top layer of sub added at spawn. Hoping to see pins in a few days.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: NickNasty]
    #25239135 - 05/30/18 07:57 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Looking cool bro :super:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Josex]
    #25239138 - 05/30/18 07:59 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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flyhighfunguy said:
How does this look? I used 4 quarts water, 650 grams coir, 2 quarts vermiculite, 1 cup gypsum.

Should i try adding more water you think?

Everyone told me it looked great when i posted that video, but then once the tub was fruiting they said it may have looked a little dry and could maybe use a bottom water. :confused:

EDIT: are you guys not needing to rehydrate at all between flushes?? I always thought it was necessary and have been dunking or bottom watering after every flush. Do i just need to add more water while prepping the sub instead?




Well, if everyone told you it looks great Imma be the first dick telling you otherwise, that's on the very dry side of field capacity for cvg, IMO. That sub can take lots more water and still be within acceptable field capacity ranges.

I always do this (minus the straw) and when I squeeze it hard there's def more water dripping down and still the sub just feels perfect.



Damn yea maybe thats my problem. My sub never had natural beads of water either, and required fairly regular misting to create the beads.

This is the post where everyone said it looked perfect: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25087128

I used only 4 quarts of water. Should i try adding a whole other full quart you think, or would a half quart be enough?
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If you have 2 mushrooms then maybe you don't need to rehydrate after flush 1.

I always pour in a shit load of water after flush one.

I put the lid on for a day or two then add a shit load of water, then pour it out 4 hours later or something or once I remember I forgot I bottom watered.

5 flushes ? That's a lot. Maybe the sub is getting spent ? I usually throw after about 3 or once I get really annoyed that they keep pushing out boomers.

And yeah, I agree, that looks dry to me but to each their own I guess ? Idk what other people's looks like but mine seem to perform better with a bit more than that.

Probably not a lot more, but that squeeze would be a nice trinkle for me. Maybe I'll try and take a video next time or I bet bod has one since he has a tek for everything.




For some reason the caps on a ton of my pins turned a very bright yellow-ish color (Maybe aborts, but i thought aborts were black:confused:), and never matured. I never could seem to figure out why even after making several posts. Thats why ive let it go through as many flushes as possible. Im hoping maybe all the mushrooms that never grew would mature.

Its weird tho. Even tho there is a TON of these yellow looking pins that never matured, ive been able to get a fairly decent yield throughout the 4 flushes. From 22 grated brf cakes ive gotten 1758 wet grams so far, for a average of about 79 per cake.

And alright ill try out another half quart then and see how it looks. That would be awesome if it solved this problem of pins not maturing.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25239141 - 05/30/18 08:01 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

A full quart more is gonna be a lot, just follow the tek I linked.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Josex]
    #25239146 - 05/30/18 08:04 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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A full quart more is gonna be a lot, just follow the tek I linked.



I should be able to just scale that recipe down right?

So for 1 brick according to that recipe it would be:

650 grams coir

3 quarts verm

1 handful gypsum

4.8 - 5.2 quarts water.

That sound about right you think?

That would basically be adding another quart of water to my recipe, as well as another quart of verm. I used a cup of gypsum, not sure how that compares to a "handful" tho.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Josex]
    #25239148 - 05/30/18 08:04 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah don't do a full quar* try half and test* for field capacity always.

I don't measure shit I just throw in the brick, about 4 quarts, maybe some coffee grains, maybe some verm :shrug:

Test for field capacity before spawn and adjust accordingly then when I get down to my tub (last time people yelled at me because I don't mix it right I guess :shrug:) it's a bit wet so I might add some more berm to get back to field capacity before I do my top layer with the bit I saved


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25239158 - 05/30/18 08:11 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Josex said:
A full quart more is gonna be a lot, just follow the tek I linked.



I should be able to just scale that recipe down right?

So for 1 brick according to that recipe it would be:

650 grams coir

3 quarts verm

1 handful gypsum

4.8 - 5.2 quarts water.

That sound about right you think?

That would basically be adding another quart of water to my recipe, as well as another quart of verm. I used a cup of gypsum, not sure how that compares to a "handful" tho.




Yes, you can scale it down. As Tiger said, your coir may vary. With the one I was using I added 4,5 liters (not quarts) of water per 650g brick, 3 quarts of verm and 60ml of gypsum.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25239164 - 05/30/18 08:17 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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flyhighfunguy said:
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Josex said:
A full quart more is gonna be a lot, just follow the tek I linked.



I should be able to just scale that recipe down right?

So for 1 brick according to that recipe it would be:

650 grams coir

3 quarts verm

1 handful gypsum

4.8 - 5.2 quarts water.

That sound about right you think?

That would basically be adding another quart of water to my recipe, as well as another quart of verm. I used a cup of gypsum, not sure how that compares to a "handful" tho.




Yes, you can scale it down. As Tiger said, your coir may vary. With the one I was using I added 4,5 liters (not quarts) of water per 650g brick, 3 quarts of verm and 60ml of gypsum.



By your coir may vary do you mean every batch can vary, or that different brands vary? If so, do you happen to have any experience using GROW!T brand? Thats the one i have right now.

Maybe ill try out that recipe next time and see how it turns out.
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Yeah don't do a full quar* try half and test* for field capacity always.

I don't measure shit I just throw in the brick, about 4 quarts, maybe some coffee grains, maybe some verm :shrug:

Test for field capacity before spawn and adjust accordingly then when I get down to my tub (last time people yelled at me because I don't mix it right I guess :shrug:) it's a bit wet so I might add some more berm to get back to field capacity before I do my top layer with the bit I saved



Alright if i end up using that same recipe as last time ill try just adding another half quart to it. Hopefully i can properly test for field capacity tho. This whole time i thought that video i posted was perfect because of all of the replies i got back lol. I guess ill try aiming for a very slight trickle rather than just a dozen or so drops coming out like you said.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25239169 - 05/30/18 08:21 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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I thought that bottom watering was only for heavy flushes as well, however mushboy told me that bottom watering is how he rehydrates his sub before flushes. I always thought it was necessary to fully dunk the substrate under water before flushes, but he said he just bottom waters and i think it seems to be working alright :shrug:



You can bottom water, dunk or heavy mist between flushes to rehydrate.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25239176 - 05/30/18 08:23 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Just check for field capacity and do a little more water than that or try Josex recipe but still always test for field capacity and get it where the video was then just like a little trinkle of water when you squeeze hard as fuck like that. More than your video Imo

It shouldn't really matter THAT much but I definitely noticed my dry side was shit compared to my trinkle. My dryer tubs didn't fruit for shit. I tested it on purpose, that was just my results though :shrug:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25239182 - 05/30/18 08:27 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Just check for field capacity and do a little more water than that or try Josex recipe but still always test for field capacity and get it where the video was then just like a little trinkle of water when you squeeze hard as fuck like that. More than your video Imo

It shouldn't really matter THAT much but I definitely noticed my dry side was shit compared to my trinkle. My dryer tubs didn't fruit for shit. I tested it on purpose, that was just my results though :shrug:



Alright thats prob what ill do.

I gave my jars a shake yesterday and they seem to be slightly recovering already, so i should be making some more coir soon.

Ill probably send you over a video of it to see what you think before i spawn the jars to it.

Im glad i finally found out that this could be my problem tho. This whole time ive been thinking my field capacity was completely perfect :facepalm3:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25239204 - 05/30/18 08:37 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Imo it is possible but I'm only saying that based on my experience with those tubs I intentionally did a bit dry and they fucking sucked.

You can send me a video if you like I can definitely tell you if that's about how I do mine or not, or try out what some other people say :shrug:

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25239764 - 05/31/18 06:31 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

My PE is looking a little better after bottom watering as suggested, thank you kindly :thumbup:



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: nothingtohide]
    #25239826 - 05/31/18 07:15 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Hey,
For some reason in this picture
there is only fruiting on the sides.  but they are growing from the side of the substrate; just growing on the edges of the top of the substrate. Or there are a couple growing from the plastic wall even. 


In this second image, the mushrooms are significantly bigger after one day since the lid was removed and placed upside down. I am assuming the increased FAE triggered this.  However, there is still only one tiny fruit growing in the entire center of the box.  I'm thinking it is dehydration, but I don't think the myc looks "matted and glossy".


There are two places where I see a bluish tint which must be bruising.  But I see many spots of metabolites and I'm wondering if this box is maybe contaminated with bacteria.


I have heard so many different arguments on whether or not misting helps that I don't know if it should be done.  But there are only a few beads of moisture left.


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