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SebQc
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One of my four first shoeboxes 
Really happy with the result guys, shoeboxes rock for sure 
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mushboy
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: SebQc] 1
#25237432 - 05/30/18 12:29 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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nice boxes bro! looks shroomy
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mullugh
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25237532 - 05/30/18 03:00 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Woahhh awesome results sebqc!
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DetectivePopcorn
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mullugh]
#25237684 - 05/30/18 07:09 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just have the lights directly on them for timelapse recording purposes. If I wasn't trying to do that it would be indirect.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: SebQc]
#25237687 - 05/30/18 07:12 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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SebQc said: One of my four first shoeboxes 
Really happy with the result guys, shoeboxes rock for sure 

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Worthinho
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Roscoe] 1
#25237753 - 05/30/18 07:55 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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My first 6qt shoebox is currently in fruiting, but apart from the first early fruit, the folllwing fruits have been around an inch before their veil started breaking.
I suspect my tub is too dry, as it has pulled away from the sides quite a bit. However, there are beads nearly always on most of the surface. How can I tell if the actual substrate in my shoebox has too little water in it? Could this be my the following fruits are so small?
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Worthinho]
#25237814 - 05/30/18 08:41 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe, could be genetics too, the sub pulling from the walls is definitely an indication it is drying up.
You can potentially tell by how heavy it feels when you lift it but might take a minute to remember the weight of a properly hydrated and spawned sub
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MadHatter333
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: SebQc]
#25237862 - 05/30/18 09:13 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
SebQc said: One of my four first shoeboxes 
Really happy with the result guys, shoeboxes rock for sure 

Dang dude! Wish my firsts looked like that. Good work
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runlikeanantelope
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25237864 - 05/30/18 09:16 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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First shoebox grow and we are close to harvest! I want to bottom-water in between flushes- I used .5 oz spawn to 1 oz substrate. How much water would you all recommend I use?
Pic tax, con-crit welcome
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Worthinho
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25237870 - 05/30/18 09:17 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the prompt response.
It feels lighter than at spawn, but heavier than I’d expect if I were looking at dry coir (I think this is the best way to describe it).
What confuses me is that one side of the tub seems to always have small beads of water on, yet the other side always dries up?
Reading through this thread, I realised my dub tub should have been aligned with the bottom shoebox, yet I had it slightly misaligned to create 4 small holes. However, the one side of the tub did not have beads on moisture on it before I dub tubbed (when I was fruiting with the lid on).
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Enkidu
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runlikeanantelope said: First shoebox grow and we are close to harvest! I want to bottom-water in between flushes- I used .5 oz spawn to 1 oz substrate. How much water would you all recommend I use?
Pic tax, con-crit welcome

Damn dude looks like lots of aborts, was your sub field capacity...? Looks like you may have needed water a bit earlier possibly.
Worthinho, was it level ? I like to use a top layer applied at spawn, not sure that has anything to do with what you're talking about, but I save and apply a thin layer of my coir/verm to cover the top of my tub after mixing the spawn and sub
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RaRaRasputin
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25237958 - 05/30/18 10:02 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think all shrinking is bad. I have yet to have 1 tub/box/tray of mine not compact like an inch on both sides from the wall. I make all my bulk spawns very loose, not packed at all, everything as fluffy and whipped up as possible for super fast colonization. Also I have left a brick of colonized sub in water for a day and it didn't get noticeably bigger, I felt heavy and sopped but not bigger. So I bare the different view that shrinking of sub isn't bad because you will get some sub shrinkage. It's different for everyone but you will get some.
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Enkidu
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Noone said it's bad, it's a sign of loss of water... The water evaporates or is in the fruits. It also shrinks because the myc "eats" it and uses it and replenishing water won't fix that aspect of shrinkage.
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Worthinho
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25237977 - 05/30/18 10:08 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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It was as level as I could make it! I didn’t use any casing at all.
The forums say it isn’t necessary, should I have used one? If so, should I add one for the second flush?
Finally, if it is dry, is it worth just letting the flush do what it can for now and rehydrate for the second flush, or dunk for 15 minutes or so now?
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RaRaRasputin
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25237994 - 05/30/18 10:19 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Or if you pack it loose like I do. I've heard some people get better none shrinking results from a tighter packing of sub when spawning to bulk but that also is a slower colonisation time which in turn increases chance of infection. I say it because I have been told in the past shrinkage was bad and it should be avoided. I don't disagree with avoided but I've found most of my grows and ways of doing things are "bad" if compared to what it should look like, but I've found every grow is different. Even if the grows were in neighbouringhouses they are completely different (I'm dealing with that currently). I guess the greater meaning to my message as I think is don't look for this standard of base line to compare to because not everyone lives in the same eniorment nor has access to the same products. Unless shit is really fucked and contamed and all that, your are doing fine. Alegidly for me to sterilize something in a pc I have to cook at 25 PSI for an hour(my PC says danger at 20 and it says not to go over). Yet here I am with some pretty clean spawns and grows. You will do fine. Tall fruit, short fruit, fret fruit, fat fruit, potent fruit, hallow fruit, a mushroom is a mushroom and you will do fine.
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RaRaRasputin
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Worthinho]
#25238003 - 05/30/18 10:24 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Worthinho said: It was as level as I could make it! I didn’t use any casing at all.
The forums say it isn’t necessary, should I have used one? If so, should I add one for the second flush?
Finally, if it is dry, is it worth just letting the flush do what it can for now and rehydrate for the second flush, or dunk for 15 minutes or so now?
Let this flush finish out before a dunk. And dunking sub doesn't hurt it unless you do it ie:break sub in half. A sub depending on your choice of sub and environmental conditions could require a casing layer. For me where I live; if I use coco coir with a super thick cover layer I will not need a case, though I still use one for contam reasons. If I use any other substrate than coco coir, I have to use a casing otherwise I'm left with white leather every time. Granted I live in the equivalent of Cindy Crawford's sausage wallet.
Edited by RaRaRasputin (05/30/18 10:25 AM)
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mushroomnate
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Even if the sub does break,it's not game over.
 Broke in half during first flush harvest/dunk. Pinned up ok,and now fruiting.Probably not at it's best,but not done for.

Also I too have been leaning toward the top layer/casing at spawn.Seems to give me a moisture safety net,that helps me to maintain a good surface condition.
Edited by mushroomnate (05/30/18 11:40 AM)
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stareatclouds
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There's really no reason not to case immediately, in my opinion. It's not like it's a difficult process or has any real downsides. I always put a thin layer of CVG over my shoeboxes and let them go. A casing layer helps with moisture, stimulates pinning, etc.
A broken substrate will definitely keep fruiting. And shrinking is standard. The mycelium is a living thing and as it colonizes a substrate, it's eating it and expelling CO2. It's not a tell-tale sign your sub is drying out. There's a difference between mycelium utilizing water to pump out fruits and water evaporation. If you think the sub is dry, pick it up and gauge it yourself.
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runlikeanantelope said: First shoebox grow and we are close to harvest! I want to bottom-water in between flushes- I used .5 oz spawn to 1 oz substrate. How much water would you all recommend I use?
Pic tax, con-crit welcome

Aborts can be caused by many things, such as too much misting on pins, a dry sub, genetics, etc. It's also sometimes due to heavy pinsets, i.e., there's finite resources available for fruit growth so the mycelium aborts many pins and wisely distributes the remaining resources to the select few.
Your sub looks pretty dry to me. Make sure you're at proper field capacity before spawning. And consider a casing layer at some point before fruiting (never after a first flush).
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runlikeanantelope
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25238292 - 05/30/18 12:47 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is only my second grow in total, I did not test for field capacity...chalk it up to lessons learned for the next grow!
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runlikeanantelope
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Thank you! As previously mentioned it's only my second grow...I did put a casing layer, it was just a thin one. Guess I need a thicker one next time.
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