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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25224048 - 05/23/18 09:56 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Prolly about a 1/4 brick or so.

I usually split one brick of coir to 4 shoeboxes with 2 quart spawn in each shoebox.

So I guess like 150-175g or so of coir


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25224051 - 05/23/18 09:57 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Yeah that's the recipe I use for my 66qt mono. But I mean for one 6qt dubtub. Like how much of a brick and water and how much verm and gypsum do I need for 2 qts of spawn.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Gonzo the Eternal]
    #25224057 - 05/23/18 09:58 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Okay so a quarter brick and maybe half qt of verm and splash of gypsum?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Gonzo the Eternal]
    #25224071 - 05/23/18 10:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Okay so a quarter brick and maybe half qt of verm and splash of gypsum?



If your brand of coir comes out the same as mine you should just be able to divided my recipe by 6 in order to get the recipe for 2 quarts of sub. That would be 108 grams coir, 1 1/3 cup verm, 3 tablespoons gypsum, and about 2.7-3 cups water.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25224076 - 05/23/18 10:05 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Gonzo the Eternal]
    #25224085 - 05/23/18 10:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Lol no problem man glad i could help.

Just a note - i accidentaly put 1/3 cup of verm instead of 1 and 1/3 cup. just editied it. Good luck!:super:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25224089 - 05/23/18 10:08 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Then just after it's prepped if it's too wet or too dry just add some water or verm to bring to field capacity


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #25224105 - 05/23/18 10:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

165g coir(1/4 brick)
2 cups vermiculite
1qt water
Gives me just about 2.5qt sub.(I use the .5qt extra for a top layer if I choose)


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushroomnate]
    #25224112 - 05/23/18 10:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

A brick, a quart of verm, a handful of gypsum, a gallon of boiling water: all in a bucket.
Works everytime, for me

For a shoebox, i fill it up with 8 big spoonfuls, like an inch and a half or so, throw in my spawn and do a thin top layer

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
    #25224187 - 05/23/18 11:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Alright added all that to a bucket and added my boiling water. Once everything hydrated and cooled I gave it a good squeeze. Small pooling around the knuckles and fingers and a hard squeeze gave a few drops. So these dubtubs dont need any FAE mods right? From my understanding you just lay the other on top of the other and that gap is all you need for FAE?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Gonzo the Eternal]
    #25224216 - 05/23/18 11:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Am I the only one here that crumbles the brick of coir? I do it while the water comes to a boil and it seems like the heat would be better dispersed throughout the coir. It takes like 10 minutes so it's not a big deal.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Gonzo the Eternal]
    #25224219 - 05/23/18 11:19 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Alright added all that to a bucket and added my boiling water. Once everything hydrated and cooled I gave it a good squeeze. Small pooling around the knuckles and fingers and a hard squeeze gave a few drops. So these dubtubs dont need any FAE mods right? From my understanding you just lay the other on top of the other and that gap is all you need for FAE?



Dubtub when the pins show up. Lid snapped on until then


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: RomeoPapa]
    #25224223 - 05/23/18 11:20 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Am I the only one here that crumbles the brick of coir? I do it while the water comes to a boil and it seems like the heat would be better dispersed throughout the coir. It takes like 10 minutes so it's not a big deal.



I’m gonna try that

Sorry for the double post

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
    #25224226 - 05/23/18 11:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Alright added all that to a bucket and added my boiling water. Once everything hydrated and cooled I gave it a good squeeze. Small pooling around the knuckles and fingers and a hard squeeze gave a few drops. So these dubtubs dont need any FAE mods right? From my understanding you just lay the other on top of the other and that gap is all you need for FAE?



Dubtub when the pins show up. Lid snapped on until then




Thank you sir. That was my initial assumption.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: RomeoPapa]
    #25224250 - 05/23/18 11:36 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Am I the only one here that crumbles the brick of coir? I do it while the water comes to a boil and it seems like the heat would be better dispersed throughout the coir. It takes like 10 minutes so it's not a big deal.



I always try to break and crumble it up before adding the water.Seems like it helps me with "dry" spots too.(sometimes I forget to go back and stir it)I break it up,pour the verm on top,then boiling water.Then just a quick mix when ready to use.:super:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Gonzo the Eternal]
    #25224305 - 05/24/18 12:10 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Hey all, today I just spawned my first two shoeboxes from some B+ Rye grain. For each I used a little over 1/2 q spawn: about 2 q Coir/Verm. I just have a few questions.

During colonization I can use only the normal lid and nothing else? There won't be too much gas exchange?

Also, because this is my first ever grow, I decided to use a liner because I've read they're more noob friendly. Will the liner affect humidity and moisture? Since the wall condensation won't all be dripping directly into the sub (because of dripping down in between liner and tub?)? I guess my question is what are people's experiences with maintaining moisture w/ liner vs. w/out. It's just a simple black trash bag if that matters at all.

Last question is about casing. Is it worth it to case a cube with anything after fully colonized? For a first-timer are the results even worth it? Will casing frequently give a better yield or is it more for maintaining moisture?

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.  :cookiemonster:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: NickNasty]
    #25224337 - 05/24/18 12:30 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I can't be bothered to be fucking with that brick of coir any more. I used to cut it into chunks instead of making the whole thing, but now I just do it all even if I don't need it all

This leads to doing shit like super low spawn ratios with lots of shoeboxes and being surprised at how much a low spawn will produce


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: NickNasty]
    #25224339 - 05/24/18 12:31 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I literally just finished spawning my mono and dubtub so I'm right there with you my friend. From what I've read and have been told during colonization you want the lid snapped on. No holes or anything. The gap will allow the necessary air flow which isn't alot. You want co2 buildup during colonization.

I used a liner for my mono as it is supposed to be like training wheels to avoid side pinning while you get your technique down to where your surface conditions enough are alone to prevent side pinning. I haven't read anything about it affecting moisture content though. The water in your sub should be enough.

And also from what I've learned only PE needs a casing. Cubes don't really need one unless you feel you need the extra moisture protection.

I am a total noob, this is just me attempting to give correct info as it has been given to me. I'm sure alot of these people have answered their fair share of questions already haha.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Gonzo the Eternal]
    #25224390 - 05/24/18 01:05 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Thanks for all the advice Gonzo!

I expected the lid would stay on, I was just wondering whether that would give too much air exchange. But from what I see it will be fine with just the lid.

I wasn't planning on casing but thought I'd ask anyway. I've also read that Most people say for cubes its unnecessary.

As for moisture, I'm probably just overthinking it. My Field capacity looked on point.  :rockon: 

I just hope 1/2 Q spawn is enough for the shoebox. I think it will be good though because it looked like there was a load in the boxes even though most people use 1 Q +. My guess is it will just take longer to colonize with less spawn.

Good Luck on your grow man. This is my very first grow ever and its so fascinating and exciting. - NN


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Gonzo the Eternal]
    #25224489 - 05/24/18 02:22 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Yeah lid on during colonization.

Don't worry about liner impacring anything.

I always use a top layer at spawn. I save some coir / verm in the bucket and after mixing my spawn and sub apply a thin layer of coir / verm just enough to cover the top.

You may want to consider using a casing if you didn't apply a top layer. I've never done it myself, but without a top layer, I would be applying one if it was my box. The time to do it would be right as the sub is finishing colonizing I believe


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