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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
#25191352 - 05/08/18 11:29 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just don't get why all of a sudden FAE isn't that important anymore
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It's not that it isn't important. Cracking the lid, flipping it over, or dub tubbing gives sufficient fae. You don't need to cut holes and then stuff them with poly fill.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
#25191407 - 05/08/18 11:56 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree. At least on a mostly filled shoe box.
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Enkidu
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Billllll
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
I think you're misunderstanding fae or something bro.
The shoebox DOES get massive amounts of fae, and fae is important.
During spawn lid is on. That's still fae. And it's not airtight like a bottle and cap for instance.
If you fill a shoebox with water, snap the lid, turn it upside down, water will all come out.
High co2 and low fae is ideal for colonization. That's from RR himself.
After fully colonized most people take off the lid which increases fae a lot.
But as shown by Munch, it isn't required. The lid really isn't that tight I guess, mixed with the conditions of a warm sub and colder air outside, causing the currents.
Taking the lid off and you just gave massive fae. It works man.
You can accept that it works and works fine, or you can live in the world in your mind where there isn't enough FAE because you have convinced yourself there isn't 
Yeah man you hurt all of our butts bro, what gives ?!?!
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25191443 - 05/08/18 12:12 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato]
#25191458 - 05/08/18 12:24 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Between APE and AA+, I've run about 50 shoeboxes this year, including both 6 and 16 quart sizes. For nearly each grow, I spawn, case, and fruit the same day. Most wind up getting misted, others don't. The AA+ in 16's get a dub tub when the time comes and do totally fine. The AA+ in shoeboxes often go into 16's on the side and do totally fine.
APE are short and fat so they're fine in the original tub, although I add water since APE are thirstier than regular cubes, IME. But they don't need dubbing or anything extra:
 
The FAE is more than fine without doing extra shit, as evidenced by 280+ pages in this thread. In my situation, there's more than enough FAE since I often need to mist my surfaces. If you think it's not enough, take the lids off or something.
You can fruit them in bigger tubs with mono designs. Or dub tubs. Or regular lid. Or open air fruiting with frequent misting. Cubes don't really care that much and any decent cultivator can read the conditions and adjust.
Bill is either trolling or isn't. Either way, it's derailing the thread without adding extra information so my vote is to talk about something else.
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Pf Redspores from hammy giveaway
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Nice Reds Man!
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu] 1
#25191695 - 05/08/18 02:49 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Billllll
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
I think you're misunderstanding fae or something bro.
The shoebox DOES get massive amounts of fae, and fae is important.
During spawn lid is on. That's still fae. And it's not airtight like a bottle and cap for instance.
If you fill a shoebox with water, snap the lid, turn it upside down, water will all come out.
High co2 and low fae is ideal for colonization. That's from RR himself.
After fully colonized most people take off the lid which increases fae a lot.
But as shown by Munch, it isn't required. The lid really isn't that tight I guess, mixed with the conditions of a warm sub and colder air outside, causing the currents.
Taking the lid off and you just gave massive fae. It works man.
You can accept that it works and works fine, or you can live in the world in your mind where there isn't enough FAE because you have convinced yourself there isn't 
Yeah man you hurt all of our butts bro, what gives ?!?!
Oh shit i thought the lid is on during fruiting. I wasn't even thinking about the spawn run.
But don't you think with the whole lid being off it will decrease the co2 and even dry up the substrate and maybe not hold humidity?
This is why I'm such a fan of small holes or a couple big ones with polyfill.
It seems like during fruiting, no lid is too much and having the lid on is too much on the other end of the spectrum.
I guess I'm wrong and all you guys are right 
So let's talk fruiting and these shoeboxes. Someone tell me how it's done.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Bill_Oreilly
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I fruit in a humidity dome and get decent results. It's just the same as a shoebox in theory


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Bill_Oreilly said:
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Enkidu said: Billllll
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
I think you're misunderstanding fae or something bro.
The shoebox DOES get massive amounts of fae, and fae is important.
During spawn lid is on. That's still fae. And it's not airtight like a bottle and cap for instance.
If you fill a shoebox with water, snap the lid, turn it upside down, water will all come out.
High co2 and low fae is ideal for colonization. That's from RR himself.
After fully colonized most people take off the lid which increases fae a lot.
But as shown by Munch, it isn't required. The lid really isn't that tight I guess, mixed with the conditions of a warm sub and colder air outside, causing the currents.
Taking the lid off and you just gave massive fae. It works man.
You can accept that it works and works fine, or you can live in the world in your mind where there isn't enough FAE because you have convinced yourself there isn't 
Yeah man you hurt all of our butts bro, what gives ?!?!
Oh shit i thought the lid is on during fruiting. I wasn't even thinking about the spawn run.
But don't you think with the whole lid being off it will decrease the co2 and even dry up the substrate and maybe not hold humidity?
This is why I'm such a fan of small holes or a couple big ones with polyfill.
It seems like during fruiting, no lid is too much and having the lid on is too much on the other end of the spectrum.
I guess I'm wrong and all you guys are right 
So let's talk fruiting and these shoeboxes. Someone tell me how it's done.
I think you might still be misunderstanding a little. With shoeboxes, you are able to just leave the lid on both during the spawn run and during fruiting. I personally just leave the lid on all the way up until a fruit gets too big and forces me to dub tub it.
Im not sure why, but the size of a shoebox mixed with the imperfect seal on the lid provides enough fae for fruiting.
Fruiting with no lid like you mentioned would be open air fruiting and youd have to watch over them and mist like crazy.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Ah okay
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Bill_Oreilly
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flyhighfunguy said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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Enkidu said: Billllll
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
I think you're misunderstanding fae or something bro.
The shoebox DOES get massive amounts of fae, and fae is important.
During spawn lid is on. That's still fae. And it's not airtight like a bottle and cap for instance.
If you fill a shoebox with water, snap the lid, turn it upside down, water will all come out.
High co2 and low fae is ideal for colonization. That's from RR himself.
After fully colonized most people take off the lid which increases fae a lot.
But as shown by Munch, it isn't required. The lid really isn't that tight I guess, mixed with the conditions of a warm sub and colder air outside, causing the currents.
Taking the lid off and you just gave massive fae. It works man.
You can accept that it works and works fine, or you can live in the world in your mind where there isn't enough FAE because you have convinced yourself there isn't 
Yeah man you hurt all of our butts bro, what gives ?!?!
Oh shit i thought the lid is on during fruiting. I wasn't even thinking about the spawn run.
But don't you think with the whole lid being off it will decrease the co2 and even dry up the substrate and maybe not hold humidity?
This is why I'm such a fan of small holes or a couple big ones with polyfill.
It seems like during fruiting, no lid is too much and having the lid on is too much on the other end of the spectrum.
I guess I'm wrong and all you guys are right 
So let's talk fruiting and these shoeboxes. Someone tell me how it's done.
I think you might still be misunderstanding a little. With shoeboxes, you are able to just leave the lid on both during the spawn run and during fruiting. I personally just leave the lid on all the way up until a fruit gets too big and forces me to dub tub it.
Im not sure why, but the size of a shoebox mixed with the imperfect seal on the lid provides enough fae for fruiting.
Fruiting with no lid like you mentioned would be open air fruiting and youd have to watch over them and mist like crazy.
What do you mean by "dub tub"
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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flyhighfunguy said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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Enkidu said: Billllll
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
I think you're misunderstanding fae or something bro.
The shoebox DOES get massive amounts of fae, and fae is important.
During spawn lid is on. That's still fae. And it's not airtight like a bottle and cap for instance.
If you fill a shoebox with water, snap the lid, turn it upside down, water will all come out.
High co2 and low fae is ideal for colonization. That's from RR himself.
After fully colonized most people take off the lid which increases fae a lot.
But as shown by Munch, it isn't required. The lid really isn't that tight I guess, mixed with the conditions of a warm sub and colder air outside, causing the currents.
Taking the lid off and you just gave massive fae. It works man.
You can accept that it works and works fine, or you can live in the world in your mind where there isn't enough FAE because you have convinced yourself there isn't 
Yeah man you hurt all of our butts bro, what gives ?!?!
Oh shit i thought the lid is on during fruiting. I wasn't even thinking about the spawn run.
But don't you think with the whole lid being off it will decrease the co2 and even dry up the substrate and maybe not hold humidity?
This is why I'm such a fan of small holes or a couple big ones with polyfill.
It seems like during fruiting, no lid is too much and having the lid on is too much on the other end of the spectrum.
I guess I'm wrong and all you guys are right 
So let's talk fruiting and these shoeboxes. Someone tell me how it's done.
I think you might still be misunderstanding a little. With shoeboxes, you are able to just leave the lid on both during the spawn run and during fruiting. I personally just leave the lid on all the way up until a fruit gets too big and forces me to dub tub it.
Im not sure why, but the size of a shoebox mixed with the imperfect seal on the lid provides enough fae for fruiting.
Fruiting with no lid like you mentioned would be open air fruiting and youd have to watch over them and mist like crazy.
What do you mean by "dub tub"
Dub tubbing is basically a humidity dome. You take another empty 6 quart shoebox and flip it upside down ontop of your tub.
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Killer canopies y'all be posting like rainforests
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Bill,
Your pics show a lack of light and fresh air. Boomers grow wonky in the dark. With clean spawn, coir, and and a shoebox with at least ambient light you can double your last yield.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
#25191779 - 05/08/18 03:32 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: People are doing shoeboxes with no air exchange while being borderline smug with kind of shitty pinsets
Whelp, you've come to the right place
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
#25191829 - 05/08/18 03:53 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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JHOVA said: Bill,
Your pics show a lack of light and fresh air. Boomers grow wonky in the dark. With clean spawn, coir, and and a shoebox with at least ambient light you can double your last yield.

Looks like you don't have experience with penis envy...they grow like that sometimes
And if there was a major problem the mushrooms would have grown on just the sides of the spawn or not at all.
C'mon man don't be like that. Don't be a shroom snob. Those are just fine
Penis envy weigh a lot so they flop over.
Edit: and I know the lighting was fine because I always have them in my room a few yards from the window. I do a 12/12 schedule
And if it's fresh air that's the problem then surely the shoeboxes would be worse in the FAE department
This is my real heart right here
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Edited by Bill_Oreilly (05/08/18 04:10 PM)
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Im not being a snob man. Im saying you can get a bit thicker stems and overall weight from upping your fae and light. If you dont have one a nice 6500 kelvin cfl is recommend as the most optimal light source. MB has pics in this thread of sbβes grown in complete darkness and the results are night and day. Light is beneficial at all stages of growth.
Things have changed quite a bit in the last few years. Tub in tub incubators, trash bags during colonization, no pour agar, unmodified monos, and preferred substrate materials to name a few.
I genuinely hope you do make some shoeboxes, Bill. they are fun as shit.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Check out my outdoor patch from spent spawn 
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