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voodoochild1000
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Enkidu said:
I don't think misting is really that serious yall.
Just mist like twice a day or when you're free and they should be fine.
Or maybe I'm doing shit wrong
There's no way to put something like that into words, i think it mainly comes down to experience, comebackkid's post is what I followed when I first started learning, he posted the link above.
I thought I followed it right... but ended up with people telling me my substrate was soaked ....
.. here's a before and after from tonight

Based on these pictures is it safe to say that I can mist to the level seen in the second picture and then wait until it looks like the first picture again and then Mist again?
This whole discussion as my brain feeling like mush LOL
Lmaoo for real my brain just isnt grasping this lol.
Personally from what ive read and what my understanding has been this whole time, those pictures look like how its supposed to. They are saying that if its too wet it doesnt bead up but i see a ton of beads in that second picture 
Yes there's beads on there but that's after me not misting for 2.5 days. Now I'm wondering if I f***** it up by going so long without misting LOL.... I think I'm just going to do a light misting in the morning and a light misting in the evening. I find zooming in with my camera and taking a picture allows me to see real closely if there is nice beads on the sub or not....
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The point of me linking that was so you can take this conversation where it belongs. This is a thread about shoeboxes the other is about surface conditions. If you have questions about surface conditions take it to the correct thread...
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25101027 - 03/29/18 11:36 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll be back in a few weeks with some shoebox's....
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voodoochild1000
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25101651 - 03/30/18 08:27 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Explicitdetail said: The point of me linking that was so you can take this conversation where it belongs. This is a thread about shoeboxes the other is about surface conditions. If you have questions about surface conditions take it to the correct thread...
.. I took my questions over there but no one's posted on that thread for 2 and 1/2 months and I didn't get a response. Also... I am growing in a shoebox so I think my question is somewhat valid in this thread due to the fact that I am actually growing in a shoebox and trying to figure out how to make it happen... I get you though I'm just totally over-thinking it and I'm just going to have to figure it out on my own so you don't have to worry about me bothering you quite so much :-)
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Remember voodoo, water hydrogen bonds with itself so it sticks together; beading is cause by small droplets of water sticking to itself on the surface. If the whole sub is quite wet, the water won't bead up on itself and just all sink into the sub, creating a matted mess. I'm a shoebox noob don't get me wrong, but what I can tell so far is shoeboxes like to be left alone. Water will mostly bead up on the exposed myc IME, not the sub itself.
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Explicitdetail said: The point of me linking that was so you can take this conversation where it belongs. This is a thread about shoeboxes the other is about surface conditions. If you have questions about surface conditions take it to the correct thread...
.. I took my questions over there but no one's posted on that thread for 2 and 1/2 months and I didn't get a response. Also... I am growing in a shoebox so I think my question is somewhat valid in this thread due to the fact that I am actually growing in a shoebox and trying to figure out how to make it happen... I get you though I'm just totally over-thinking it and I'm just going to have to figure it out on my own so you don't have to worry about me bothering you quite so much :-)
Try the general thread. More traffic there than here.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: wushroow]
#25101844 - 03/30/18 09:56 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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wushroow said: Remember voodoo, water hydrogen bonds with itself so it sticks together; beading is cause by small droplets of water sticking to itself on the surface. If the whole sub is quite wet, the water won't bead up on itself and just all sink into the sub, creating a matted mess. I'm a shoebox noob don't get me wrong, but what I can tell so far is shoeboxes like to be left alone. Water will mostly bead up on the exposed myc IME, not the sub itself.
...good info... so if the sub is already moist and you mist then you won't see beads?
So I did a light misting before I went to bed last night then I got up this morning and look closely and didn't see any beads. So I assumed it had evaporated off and then I did another light misting here are a before and after pic from this morning...

Look good?
This is the rule of thumb I was using before but somehow I got things saturated... I think that's where I got kind of lost mentally. I felt that I was misting and checking to see if the mist and Beads were gone and then misting again but somehow I overdid it completely....
Thanks for feedback
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I have 8 shoeboxes pinning and have to move tomorrow I didn’t plan this timeline out too well..
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#25101875 - 03/30/18 10:12 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Germs said: I have 8 shoeboxes pinning and have to move tomorrow I didn’t plan this timeline out too well..
good luck on your move!
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Voodoo, that still looks really wet.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#25101943 - 03/30/18 10:53 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Germs said: I have 8 shoeboxes pinning and have to move tomorrow I didn’t plan this timeline out too well..

Should be fine to transport with the lids on
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb]
#25102215 - 03/30/18 01:15 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Psicomvb said: Voodoo, that still looks really wet.
In the before pic?.... or after?
...in before pic I personally so no beads...wich leads me to think it needs misting.....what about before pic makes it look wet?....Omg 
...im looking for beads ..if I don't see them I think "it's time to mist!"
What exactly do u see in before pic that makes u think it's wet? 
Thanks for feedback...god knows I'm clueless apparently...
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Psicomvb said: Voodoo, that still looks really wet.
In the before pic?.... or after?
...in before pic I personally so no beads...wich leads me to think it needs misting.....what about before pic makes it look wet?....Omg 
...im looking for beads ..if I don't see them I think "it's time to mist!"
What exactly do u see in before pic that makes u think it's wet? 
Thanks for feedback...god knows I'm clueless apparently...
I think he means the before and but the after pic as well, when myc looks like it´s hanging on strings and looks like bridges and viaducts like it´s been weighed down with water. But should look much lighter and not so pressed down onto the substrate. Thta´s the wodring I was looking for, wet surfaces look kind of pressed down onto the substrate and it looks a little stringy when it goes from high to low points. I have no clue what the fuck I´m talking about but I´m trying..
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25102268 - 03/30/18 01:33 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Psicomvb said: Voodoo, that still looks really wet.
In the before pic?.... or after?
...in before pic I personally so no beads...wich leads me to think it needs misting.....what about before pic makes it look wet?....Omg 
...im looking for beads ..if I don't see them I think "it's time to mist!"
What exactly do u see in before pic that makes u think it's wet? 
Thanks for feedback...god knows I'm clueless apparently...
I think he means the before and but the after pic as well, when myc looks like it´s hanging on strings and looks like bridges and viaducts like it´s been weighed down with water. But should look much lighter and not so pressed down onto the substrate. Thta´s the wodring I was looking for, wet surfaces look kind of pressed down onto the substrate and it looks a little stringy when it goes from high to low points. I have no clue what the fuck I´m talking about but I´m trying.. 
I almost want to go out on a limb and say that the Surface Conditions thread is a bit misleading. I can see tons of pins submerget totally under water and I bet not even 10% of the experienced growers have surfaces that are THAT wet. This is just my estimate from watching countless pinning surfaces being posted. I´m sure it works but it looks so damn near catastrophe that it scares me. Also I´m wondering whats giving all those droplets the surface tension to stay that way? I have no clue, I have never ever seen it in my tubs, only with microscopic dropets.
Anyone feel free to shoot this post down I´m just expressing how I see things right now, but I can change opinion very fast with a good argument. It just seems to me that from the comebackkids pic´s it´s easy for a noob to overmist, because they think that more water is more droplets..
edit: oops I was just gonna Edit, didnt mean to post twice
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Edited by Mateja (03/30/18 01:34 PM)
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25102276 - 03/30/18 01:37 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dude just stop with the whole worrying about beads of moisture shit.. you are the cause of your grow turning out the way it is..
How many times are you going to have to hear the same thing before it sticks man?? I'm normally one of the nicest people on these forums but it's getting redundant now.
In your before pic the coir is still dark brown, you say that when you lift up your tote it still has weight to it and you've mentioned you touched it and it was still moist and yet you still grab that spray bottle...
You have it stuck in your head that if you can't see these magical moisture beads then its dried up which just isn't the case!! You aren't going to save your pinset at this point... your mycelium is matted to fuck town and it's not going to correct itself, take a break from the forums for a day or 2 and stop worrying so damn much man!
Put this time and effort into starting over, a new clean state and if you fuck those up do it again! I bet you by your 4th or 5th shoebox grow you won't be asking these questions 15 times an hour, like everything in life you will get better with practice and time!
Rant over people!! Fuck what a long day so far :'(
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If the surface conditions are too fucked I would put a thin top layer so that the myc has something better to shoot off from than the matted down surface.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25102319 - 03/30/18 01:55 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Josex said: Yeah I knew you were doing that (misting and fanning at least 6 times a day), just wanted you to clarify what you did to keep a record for people to see.
It's your first tub and quite impressive considering that, but it's not looking decent at all... it could have looked really decent though, probably a hell of a flush with taller and healthier looking fruits, but unfortunatly it's looking arid af due to operator error.
Trust the plastic box and the mycs ability to keep good conditions for you. You (or anyone else) are fucking horrible at that.
A tub is not a cake in a SGFC that you gotta mist, this is truly set and forget or mostly. You shouldn't be misting your tub if you did everything correctly in the first place. You see the surface matted? That's from so much misting and drying, misting and drying... that's the way myc has to protect itself against the assault and it ruins what could otherwise have been a good and moist pinning platform.
If you think you ain't gonna be able to scrap what you've read so far about misting and fanning, like it's really ingrained in your brain already and you are gonna keep doing it no matter what, at least add a non-nutritious casing layer next time so that you can mist and fan 6 times a day or whatever you want. The casing will protect the surface from you. 
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25102334 - 03/30/18 02:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Psicomvb said: Voodoo, that still looks really wet.
In the before pic?.... or after?
...in before pic I personally so no beads...wich leads me to think it needs misting.....what about before pic makes it look wet?....Omg 
...im looking for beads ..if I don't see them I think "it's time to mist!"
What exactly do u see in before pic that makes u think it's wet? 
Thanks for feedback...god knows I'm clueless apparently...
I think he means the before and but the after pic as well, when myc looks like it´s hanging on strings and looks like bridges and viaducts like it´s been weighed down with water. But should look much lighter and not so pressed down onto the substrate. Thta´s the wodring I was looking for, wet surfaces look kind of pressed down onto the substrate and it looks a little stringy when it goes from high to low points. I have no clue what the fuck I´m talking about but I´m trying.. 
I almost want to go out on a limb and say that the Surface Conditions thread is a bit misleading. I can see tons of pins submerget totally under water and I bet not even 10% of the experienced growers have surfaces that are THAT wet. This is just my estimate from watching countless pinning surfaces being posted. I´m sure it works but it looks so damn near catastrophe that it scares me. Also I´m wondering whats giving all those droplets the surface tension to stay that way? I have no clue, I have never ever seen it in my tubs, only with microscopic dropets.
Anyone feel free to shoot this post down I´m just expressing how I see things right now, but I can change opinion very fast with a good argument. It just seems to me that from the comebackkids pic´s it´s easy for a noob to overmist, because they think that more water is more droplets..
edit: oops I was just gonna Edit, didnt mean to post twice
I based my approach on the pics and words in that thread...i defiantly mislead me... basically ..i want fluffy mycelium and I totally ovetwatered....thanks for understanding how I might have gotton off track based on that thread....next time...no mist till at least 1st flush in...only when it's TOTALLY VISIBLY DRY AND FEELS LIGJT WHEN I PICK IT UP... I think the best thing I'm picking up on is if I water too much the mycelium is going to become matted so whatever I do don't do that and avoid it at all costs... Thanks for description of matted myc....got a pic of what it SHOULD look like?....
MUCH LOVE...sorry about noob problems
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25102339 - 03/30/18 02:09 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mateah said: If the surface conditions are too fucked I would put a thin top layer so that the myc has something better to shoot off from than the matted down surface.
..even at this point?...not too late...?
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