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Enkidu
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Hmmm. I guess I never could "tell", I just had tubs that I never misted for whatever reason
If you're sub has a good field capacity then you should be good thru a whole first flush.
Maybe it's not recommended or give the best yield, but it's definitely possible...
I've gotten 3-4oz off 4 shoebox's neglected this way just recently, these ones I did mist one time the day I dubbed them, but I doubt that really made a huge difference.
I think those tubs were also a cloneand not MS, might make a difference, might not
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..my very 1st harvest!
...it could be better....I wish I could discuss my surface conditions /pinning in here...posting in the surface conditions thread brings no response.. there hasn't even been a comment in that thread in over 2 months... I really feel like my lack of understanding nailing down the surface condition has led to shitty pin sets..
... but I get it you guys don't want to hear my redundant questions... ... I just hate spending so much time researching and thinking about it and not having a concrete step by step technique to approach the problem...anyways...
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Enkidu
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..my very 1st harvest!
...it could be better....I wish I could discuss my surface conditions /pinning in here...posting in the surface conditions thread brings no response.. there hasn't even been a comment in that thread in over 2 months... I really feel like my lack of understanding nailing down the surface condition has led to shitty pin sets..
... but I get it you guys don't want to hear my redundant questions... ... I just hate spending so much time researching and thinking about it and not having a concrete step by step technique to approach the problem...anyways... 
Nice. What's it weigh?
at the rest
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flyhighfunguy


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Enkidu said: Hmmm. I guess I never could "tell", I just had tubs that I never misted for whatever reason
If you're sub has a good field capacity then you should be good thru a whole first flush.
Maybe it's not recommended or give the best yield, but it's definitely possible...
I've gotten 3-4oz off 4 shoebox's neglected this way just recently, these ones I did mist one time the day I dubbed them, but I doubt that really made a huge difference.
I think those tubs were also a cloneand not MS, might make a difference, might not
Alright ill probably try to maintain beads of moisture with misting then as long as it doesnt hurt, but maybe ill leave one tub to just do its own thing and see what happens.
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voodoochild1000 said:

..my very 1st harvest!
...it could be better....I wish I could discuss my surface conditions /pinning in here...posting in the surface conditions thread brings no response.. there hasn't even been a comment in that thread in over 2 months... I really feel like my lack of understanding nailing down the surface condition has led to shitty pin sets..
... but I get it you guys don't want to hear my redundant questions... ... I just hate spending so much time researching and thinking about it and not having a concrete step by step technique to approach the problem...anyways... 
Yea your not the only one man its super confusing. Ive heard everything from mist regularly to dont mist at all until after the first flush, so i guess you just gotta learn from experience.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25100945 - 03/29/18 10:46 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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voodoochild1000 said:

..my very 1st harvest!
...it could be better....I wish I could discuss my surface conditions /pinning in here...posting in the surface conditions thread brings no response.. there hasn't even been a comment in that thread in over 2 months... I really feel like my lack of understanding nailing down the surface condition has led to shitty pin sets..
... but I get it you guys don't want to hear my redundant questions... ... I just hate spending so much time researching and thinking about it and not having a concrete step by step technique to approach the problem...anyways... 
Nice. What's it weigh?
at the rest
124.5g... was hoping for more of course or better looking fruits but I'm super stoked to actually grow my own mushrooms for the first time it's pretty invigorating :-)!
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This is the thread for that
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25100951 - 03/29/18 10:48 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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"I wish I could discuss my surface conditions / pinning in here"

Yeah it's hard because literally every tub is different, and the environment for skk of us is different, different varieties, one person might mist once a day and keep the same conditions as someone who mists 3 times a day...
Mist in a proportion equal to water consumption / evaporation 
That's awesome man. That's easily 2 strong doses. Fuck what they look like, as long as they take you to that special place
The tub can push out more flushes for as long as nutrients and water last, so a small first flush doesn't mean you still can't get the full potential out if the sub over time
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flyhighfunguy said:
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Enkidu said: Hmmm. I guess I never could "tell", I just had tubs that I never misted for whatever reason
If you're sub has a good field capacity then you should be good thru a whole first flush.
Maybe it's not recommended or give the best yield, but it's definitely possible...
I've gotten 3-4oz off 4 shoebox's neglected this way just recently, these ones I did mist one time the day I dubbed them, but I doubt that really made a huge difference.
I think those tubs were also a cloneand not MS, might make a difference, might not
Alright ill probably try to maintain beads of moisture with misting then as long as it doesnt hurt, but maybe ill leave one tub to just do its own thing and see what happens.
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voodoochild1000 said:

..my very 1st harvest!
...it could be better....I wish I could discuss my surface conditions /pinning in here...posting in the surface conditions thread brings no response.. there hasn't even been a comment in that thread in over 2 months... I really feel like my lack of understanding nailing down the surface condition has led to shitty pin sets..
... but I get it you guys don't want to hear my redundant questions... ... I just hate spending so much time researching and thinking about it and not having a concrete step by step technique to approach the problem...anyways... 
Yea your not the only one man its super confusing. Ive heard everything from mist regularly to dont mist at all until after the first flush, so i guess you just gotta learn from experience.
... I just hate the idea of having a shity yield because of some overall vagueness to the scenario. It kills me to have to keep investing time and money and not feel like I'm wrapping my head around it or working on alleviating the problem that's just not how I operate.... I just f****** wish there was a ABC follow the rules procedure to surface conditions but apparently there is not and I hate feeling like I'm wasting resources, energy and time. I'm putting the work in but I really just wish someone could f****** spoon-feed me on this s*** so I can figure it out and move on with all the other things I want to learn.
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flyhighfunguy


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... I just hate the idea of having a shity yield because of some overall vagueness to the scenario. It kills me to have to keep investing time and money and not feel like I'm wrapping my head around it or working on alleviating the problem that's just not how I operate.... I just f****** wish there was a ABC follow the rules procedure to surface conditions but apparently there is not and I hate feeling like I'm wasting resources, energy and time. I'm putting the work in but I really just wish someone could f****** spoon-feed me on this s*** so I can figure it out and move on with all the other things I want to learn.
Yup im in the exact same boat, its definitely super frustrating. Ill probably try to do what Enkidu said and "Mist in a proportion equal to water consumption / evaporation". So mist just enough to get a light layer of beads and then let it completely evaporate and repeat. Hopefully i dont fuck it all up
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Enkidu
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I don't think misting is really that serious yall.
Just mist like twice a day or when you're free and they should be fine.
Or maybe I'm doing shit wrong
There's no way to put something like that into words, i think it mainly comes down to experience, comebackkid's post is what I followed when I first started learning, he posted the link above.
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voodoochild1000
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Explicitdetail said: This is the thread for that
Man I've read that thread completely through twice and sent a private message to the author but he didn't get back to me sadly.
When I first read it I thought I had it all figured out. Just keep a surface of microbeads on the substrate. I was like f*** yeah no problem I got it and then I think I just totally over misted and f***** off my pin set...
I was basically misting then going back in later and looking at it and if I didn't see micro beads on the surface I missed it again. Apparently that led to me having an oversaturated substrate According to some comments on pictures I posted.
Tell me if I got this right? I was basically told that if the substrate is oversaturated the Mist will not be on the surface due to the fact that the sub is already saturated?
...did I get that right?... if that were the case then I would be going in there, looking at it and not seeing beads and then misting again to try to put beads on it but apparently according to what I was told beads wouldn't form that they can only form on a dry substrate?... that is so f****** confusing lol
Is there a chance that I was looking at it and thinking it was dry because I didn't see beads on it but it was actually saturated and for whatever reason I just don't have the eye for it yet to see that it was oversaturated?
.. I'm telling you when I read the surface conditions thread I thought I had it figured out. Just keep beads on the surface! But somehow there was more to it than that..
And as far as telling when it's dry the only semi concrete information I've got his if it's dark it's moist and if it's light brown it's dry. I'm assuming we're not talking about so dry that when you lift up the tub it feels featherweight? I just stopped misting for 2 and 1/2 days and it definitely feels like there's water content in the sub when I lift up the tub.
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... I just hate the idea of having a shity yield because of some overall vagueness to the scenario. It kills me to have to keep investing time and money and not feel like I'm wrapping my head around it or working on alleviating the problem that's just not how I operate.... I just f****** wish there was a ABC follow the rules procedure to surface conditions but apparently there is not and I hate feeling like I'm wasting resources, energy and time. I'm putting the work in but I really just wish someone could f****** spoon-feed me on this s*** so I can figure it out and move on with all the other things I want to learn.
Yup im in the exact same boat, its definitely super frustrating. Ill probably try to do what Enkidu said and "Mist in a proportion equal to water consumption / evaporation". So mist just enough to get a light layer of beads and then let it completely evaporate and repeat. Hopefully i dont fuck it all up 
My problem is that's what I did. I would missed then I would monitor it later and according to my eye I would not see a layer beads on the surface and therefore I would Mist again... until I posted some pics and several people said that my substrate looks soaked.... Enkidu suggested mixing my substrate a little more moist and maybe a sin sudo casing and I will be trying that next time.... he basically says he doesn't miss at all until the first flush comes in which sounds f****** great to me... I think I felt like I needed to Prime the surface conditions so that pins could form but I think I just went too far but part of the problem is I'm not sure if I went too far or if that was the problem at all. I'm thinking it is though I'm thinking I got things too moist and according to what some people have said that can abort your PIN sets....urg!... I'm just kind of exhausted today dealing with it and everything else in my life...
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Explicitdetail said: This is the thread for that
Man I've read that thread completely through twice and sent a private message to the author but he didn't get back to me sadly.
When I first read it I thought I had it all figured out. Just keep a surface of microbeads on the substrate. I was like f*** yeah no problem I got it and then I think I just totally over misted and f***** off my pin set...
I was basically misting then going back in later and looking at it and if I didn't see micro beads on the surface I missed it again. Apparently that led to me having an oversaturated substrate According to some comments on pictures I posted.
Tell me if I got this right? I was basically told that if the substrate is oversaturated the Mist will not be on the surface due to the fact that the sub is already saturated?
...did I get that right?... if that were the case then I would be going in there, looking at it and not seeing beads and then misting again to try to put beads on it but apparently according to what I was told beads wouldn't form that they can only form on a dry substrate?... that is so f****** confusing lol
Is there a chance that I was looking at it and thinking it was dry because I didn't see beads on it but it was actually saturated and for whatever reason I just don't have the eye for it yet to see that it was oversaturated?
.. I'm telling you when I read the surface conditions thread I thought I had it figured out. Just keep beads on the surface! But somehow there was more to it than that..
And as far as telling when it's dry the only semi concrete information I've got his if it's dark it's moist and if it's light brown it's dry. I'm assuming we're not talking about so dry that when you lift up the tub it feels featherweight? I just stopped misting for 2 and 1/2 days and it definitely feels like there's water content in the sub when I lift up the tub.
Yea thats whats confusing me too. Thats exactly what it says, mist until there is a fine layer of beads, let it evaporate, and then as soon as it fully evaporates mist again. But then i saw that they are saying your sub got overly wet from this and that you dont even need to mist at all sometimes Was your sub definitely prepped to the correct field capacity and not too wet to start off? And did you only mist just enough to create the small layer of beads or could you have maybe just been misting a little too much?
Enkidu - That would be awesome if thats the case. Ive been stressing misting like crazy because i thought maintaing surface conditions was so important, but if its really not that big of a deal that will make things much easier.
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voodoochild1000
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25100984 - 03/29/18 11:10 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enkidu said:
I don't think misting is really that serious yall.
Just mist like twice a day or when you're free and they should be fine.
Or maybe I'm doing shit wrong
There's no way to put something like that into words, i think it mainly comes down to experience, comebackkid's post is what I followed when I first started learning, he posted the link above.
I thought I followed it right... but ended up with people telling me my substrate was soaked ....
.. here's a before and after from tonight

Based on these pictures is it safe to say that I can mist to the level seen in the second picture and then wait until it looks like the first picture again and then Mist again?
This whole discussion as my brain feeling like mush LOL
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Enkidu said:
I don't think misting is really that serious yall.
Just mist like twice a day or when you're free and they should be fine.
Or maybe I'm doing shit wrong
There's no way to put something like that into words, i think it mainly comes down to experience, comebackkid's post is what I followed when I first started learning, he posted the link above.
I thought I followed it right... but ended up with people telling me my substrate was soaked ....
.. here's a before and after from tonight

Based on these pictures is it safe to say that I can mist to the level seen in the second picture and then wait until it looks like the first picture again and then Mist again?
This whole discussion as my brain feeling like mush LOL
Lmaoo for real my brain just isnt grasping this lol.
Personally from what ive read and what my understanding has been this whole time, those pictures look like how its supposed to. They are saying that if its too wet it doesnt bead up but i see a ton of beads in that second picture
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Enkidu
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I feel like a lot of people freak out about it and end up doing more damage than good trying to micromanage it.
You can mistake surface co ditions and over mist easily. I did it a lot on cakes when I first started.
For the record I said field capacity for the sub, a nice trinkle of water if you squeeze hard. I've had issues with under field capacity personally...
If you can't tell when to mist, I would say stick to once every 4 hours or less, but again, it can really depend on environmental factors...
I keep my room at like 68 or so. Maybe even a little less. And it's cold as fuck and dry here. I mist whenever I'm home and feel like it and that's about it... I just let them be and do their thing but different people will tell you otherwise as you've already learned
That's why in the end with hands on experience you'll figure out what works best for you..
I would advise a set time to mist as opposed to trying to visually identify.
Then increase or decrease when you mist based on posting pictures if the results of your current misting regiment and people telling you if it's dry or moidt.
Or just mist a couple times a day and forget about it lol
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Also... is there anything I should do to this sub that I just harvested my first flush from? Is there any steps that should be taken to kick-off Second flush?
... thanks for everyone's help I really appreciate it I am going to lay the f*** down and watch some Sunny in Philadelphia before I fall asleep but best wishes and much love to you everybody have a great night :-)!
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Enkidu
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Usually if the sub is shrinking from a relatively large flush you would rehydrate for a bit (I do a couple hours) then either put the lid on for a couple days or just dub again and wait
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voodoochild1000
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25101003 - 03/29/18 11:19 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: I feel like a lot of people freak out about it and end up doing more damage than good trying to micromanage it.
You can mistake surface co ditions and over mist easily. I did it a lot on cakes when I first started.
For the record I said field capacity for the sub, a nice trinkle of water if you squeeze hard. I've had issues with under field capacity personally...
If you can't tell when to mist, I would say stick to once every 4 hours or less, but again, it can really depend on environmental factors...
I keep my room at like 68 or so. Maybe even a little less. And it's cold as fuck and dry here. I mist whenever I'm home and feel like it and that's about it... I just let them be and do their thing but different people will tell you otherwise as you've already learned
That's why in the end with hands on experience you'll figure out what works best for you..
I would advise a set time to mist as opposed to trying to visually identify.
Then increase or decrease when you mist based on posting pictures if the results of your current misting regiment and people telling you if it's dry or moidt.
Or just mist a couple times a day and forget about it lol
ok ok...ill keep working on it.... but to be clear I thought you said you personally don't missed until your first flush comes in? Is that accurate? So once your first flush comes in then you start missing a couple times a day?.... do you think me stop misting for 2.5 days was a bad thing?...oh man ...ill figure it out... I'll try to post some pictures before I missed on here and get some feedback even if it annoys people until I can feel like I'm doing it right..
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25101007 - 03/29/18 11:20 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Usually if the sub is shrinking from a relatively large flush you would rehydrate for a bit (I do a couple hours) then either put the lid on for a couple days or just dub again and wait
Like a heavy mist... or pour tap water in there till it's cover it and let it sit for a couple hours?
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