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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
    #25095270 - 03/27/18 04:58 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Yea it don't look good


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
    #25095274 - 03/27/18 04:59 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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the condensation will drop back onto the sub without needing to mist




not quite... the same moisture that builds on the bottom of the lid, also builds on the subs surface.

i remember drip shields:rolleyes::stoned:

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darkblue/green lookin spots on the colonized grain areas is 99% always mold. you are seeing where its coming from(dirty spawn..literally)



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato]
    #25095277 - 03/27/18 05:01 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

another reason why i dont like liners.. you cant see that shit. all you see is mold on the surface, leaving many to incorrectly identify the tams source.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
    #25095300 - 03/27/18 05:11 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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darkblue/green lookin spots on the colonized grain areas are 99% always mold ime. you are seeing where its coming from(dirty spawn..literally)




Its from how the sub was prepared, just used regular tap water, thought the simplicity would be cool, if I do straight verm again I'll pasteurize it. Not the spawns fault.

The only contam I've gotten from nsns spawn is black shit (the worst ime), that's from bad sterile techniques, haven't gotten it in a long time though.

I'm just gonna play it out and see if it even pins. lol


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun]
    #25095312 - 03/27/18 05:13 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I’ve done plenty of tubs with verm/coir with room temp tap water and had success. Like mushboy said that’s probably from spawn


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Explicitdetail]
    #25095320 - 03/27/18 05:17 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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I’ve done plenty of tubs with verm/coir with room temp tap water and had success. Like mushboy said that’s probably from spawn




You have? hmmm well i've never had mold like that ever. I still believe it's from the tap water. idk  :confused:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato]
    #25095361 - 03/27/18 05:30 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Yes. You always want a light beading of moisture on the surface of the myc while waiting for pins. Once the pins appear up your FAE and continue misting as needed. You can have a little bit of beading on pins, but you don’t want to drown them in water or they’ll abort...that how I do it at least...never had an issue :shrug:




Damn...grow4fun says no need to mist till 2nd flush...you say constant
layer of beads on myc....im still way confused....contradictary info...

...i was basically misting when previous misting evaporated.... I really want to figure out if I'm missing too much but I don't want to let it dry or either? I've got people saying missed it when it's dry and other people saying don't missed it till you see fruit?....seems like a lot of different methods...i feel like I'm fucking it up....

  :nojustno: ....ugh....

Sorry I can't miss it in the morning then go check it out noon and it looks like it's evaporated do I missed it again or am I over missing it still at that point?    I'm sorry I'm not trying to be redundant I'm just really want to do anything and everything to get some positive results:sad:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #25095373 - 03/27/18 05:33 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

if you just leave it alone, lid snap on and just leave it be? it will generate positive results.

trust the fungus.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato]
    #25095395 - 03/27/18 05:42 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Feels good doesn’t it!?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun]
    #25095417 - 03/27/18 05:51 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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I’ve done plenty of tubs with verm/coir with room temp tap water and had success. Like mushboy said that’s probably from spawn




You have? hmmm well i've never had mold like that ever. I still believe it's from the tap water. idk  :confused:




Most of the time I pressure cook or bucket TEK my coir but I had an extra jar of spawn and didnt wanna run the PC for just 1 tub so I just threw the rest of the C/V I had previously mixed up.  Obviously not the greatest results but it’s possible.


Coir is extremely contam resistant.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Explicitdetail]
    #25095435 - 03/27/18 06:00 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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I’ve done plenty of tubs with verm/coir with room temp tap water and had success. Like mushboy said that’s probably from spawn




You have? hmmm well i've never had mold like that ever. I still believe it's from the tap water. idk  :confused:




Most of the time I pressure cook or bucket TEK my coir but I had an extra jar of spawn and didnt wanna run the PC for just 1 tub so I just threw the rest of the C/V I had previously mixed up.  Obviously not the greatest results but it’s possible.


Coir is extremely contam resistant.




Yes I'm aware, I only ever use pasteurized coir with verm. Either the mold is from using straight verm or just the way it was prepared, using tap water. Maybe from excess water too? Who knows. That verm experiment is over lol


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #25095449 - 03/27/18 06:05 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Yes. You always want a light beading of moisture on the surface of the myc while waiting for pins. Once the pins appear up your FAE and continue misting as needed. You can have a little bit of beading on pins, but you don’t want to drown them in water or they’ll abort...that how I do it at least...never had an issue :shrug:




Damn...grow4fun says no need to mist till 2nd flush...you say constant
layer of beads on myc....im still way confused....contradictary info...

...i was basically misting when previous misting evaporated.... I really want to figure out if I'm missing too much but I don't want to let it dry or either? I've got people saying missed it when it's dry and other people saying don't missed it till you see fruit?....seems like a lot of different methods...i feel like I'm fucking it up....

  :nojustno: ....ugh....

Sorry I can't miss it in the morning then go check it out noon and it looks like it's evaporated do I missed it again or am I over missing it still at that point?    I'm sorry I'm not trying to be redundant I'm just really want to do anything and everything to get some positive results:sad:




Dood I said some can get away without misting till 2nd flush. It's really dependent on many factors, the sub, the tub, the environment, etc...

I've noticed with these shoeboxes dubbed or not the tub will retain lots of moisture so no need to mist a lot. However that may be different for some.

Cubes are forgiving, tubs are forgiving. Together they make it so easy for you to not fuck up. Just set it and forget it. Mist when needed, don't look at as a magical grow tool or sumthing. Don't make it complicated for yourself. I don't recommend misting before it pins, it's not necessary and may hinder your pinset. Just leave it be.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun]
    #25095502 - 03/27/18 06:25 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Yes I'm aware, I only ever use pasteurized coir with verm. Either the mold is from using straight verm or just the way it was prepared, using tap water. Maybe from excess water too? Who knows. That verm experiment is over lol




Verm is a non nutritious mineral so again it’s more than likely your spawn that was bad. Shit happens throw it outside and better luck next time


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun] * 1
    #25095530 - 03/27/18 06:34 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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all i know is your pics look like some boxes i had that were literally buried in a closet.
more air doesnt mean a fan. it means, flip the lid. or put inside a dialed in monotub. not blowing air on a tote

and proper light cycles 12/12 with a single 6500k cfl would work fine. but whatever you are doing isnt working so do the opposite.

thats what i do.




Yeah they are buried thats the problem, will fix it.

I just think a fan blowing into the closet might help giving FA, idk man, if I had space to grow anywhere else i would, got people coming and going. It's a heat hobby you know that. :wink:

Did an edit you probably didn't see it. I had a GH with trays over a year ago, no fanning, same closet but without the shelves. They grew fat fruits but had a light cycle 12/12 like you are saying, not a 6500k however just a standard shitty lamp. I will keep the door open and blow indirect air into it. Those tubs are dubbed, no latch, easily slide off if moved. I'll post an update to see if these bastards bounce back.




I saw your subs. If you haven't removed the fan yet, it could very easily be the cause of your poor pinset. Your sub looks like it dried out quite a lot before the first flush, which would happen if you have a fan blowing on it.

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First shoebox, 13 days after spawning. Clone from pf tek cake on 1 qt grass seed spawned to 1 qt substrate consisting of coir/hpoo/verm/gypsum. Was a massive pinset, but a lot of aborts. Is it normal to have so many abort like that?






Could be too much condensation dropping on the pins, that causes aborts.



No, it doesn't. Mushrooms are ±90% water, water does not cause them to abort. People dunk PF-tek cakes covered in pins all the time, and they fruit fine.

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For me and my growing arrangement my success is pretty much all in getting the field capacity right, making it leveled all the way across, using a liner (cuz I'm a noob and they have saved my ass from side pins repeatedly), and leaving them totally alone unless they get reeeeeallllly dry. I'll sometimes flip the lid / dub depending on the situation, like with the APE it just felt right to do that early on in the pinning process, but for me it hadn't really mattered if I leave it on until they grow too tall and you gotta dub em. Sorry it's not much thorough info but my technique is mostly set and forget because I've realized they grow worse when I pay a lot of attention to them. I also do a 12/12 light cycle with a 6500k bulb but even that turns into 16/8 and 14/10 frequently.




Maybe I just need to f*** with s*** less and try eyeliner? I'm popping the lids and looking at the substrate multiple times a day and Miss Thing and you're saying you don't pop the lids until you actually see a bunch of pins popping up? I feel like I need to mist the substrate if it's not having any moisture on the surface?... my room is like 35% humidity and it seems to try things off relatively quickly. Should I just let my unpin boxes chill until they've got pins? I feel like the substrate need some moisture though:shrug:

...awesome pics man!:gotchronic:



It doesn't matter at all if you open them up. It was not the secret to homeboy's success. If you want to check out the surface conditions, go for it. It will not hurt it. If anything, it helps spot dry or contaminated subs before its too late.

To determine if you sub needs misting, reference this post https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053/fpart/all/vc/1
You should maintain beads of moisture on the surface, and a properly dialed in FC will produce this naturally without misting. For shoeboxes, I currently fruit them two in a monotub with one layer of micropore tape, your mileage may very given local conditions.

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Do you guys have any preferred ways of harvesting shoeboxes? Is it usually pretty easy to just get in there with a knife and cut them out?



Put your hand on the substrate, turn it upside down, and slide the shoebox off the top. Then place the substrate on the bottom (now top) of the empty shoebox.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Munchauzen]
    #25095535 - 03/27/18 06:35 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Nice pinset!

  I've been having problems with my pin set. I wonder if I'm misting too much? When do you start misting and how often do you mist?

  Some have said they don't start misting or even open the lid until they see pins popping?

Everything seemed great until it was time for pens to sat then I got a lot of side pins and overall a pretty so soap and set and I'm concerned about my other shoe boxes doing the same.



Don't need to mist before pinning as long as your substrate was prep'd proper, provide good FA and daylight and they should pin like that. Also comes down to genetics too.



If the sub is dry, it needs misting. It has nothing to do with what flush or how you prepped it. If it needs it, it needs it.

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What are your thoughts on this substrate? Whats up with the yellow and dark blue?



Edit: some backstory, the substrate is 1:1 vg, moistened with just luke warm tap water. Is it bacteria or what?



bruising in the substrate is usually an early indicator of mold growth.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Munchauzen]
    #25095536 - 03/27/18 06:36 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Nice pinset!

  I've been having problems with my pin set. I wonder if I'm misting too much? When do you start misting and how often do you mist?

  Some have said they don't start misting or even open the lid until they see pins popping?

Everything seemed great until it was time for pens to sat then I got a lot of side pins and overall a pretty so soap and set and I'm concerned about my other shoe boxes doing the same.
Don't need to mist before pinning as long as your substrate was prep'd proper, provide good FA and daylight and they should pin like that. Also comes down to genetics too.



I thought once it was fully colonised your  supposed to create the little beads of moisture with misting and allow them to evaporate and then repeat to trigger pinning.

Are you saying the substrate usually does this on its own as long as it's at field capacity?

I have a bunch of shoeboxes going roght now and I was planning to start misting once the sub fully colonized to maintain the beads of moisture/evaporation, so this Wld be good to know.
Provide fresh air, daylight helps too, no need to mist, should be enough moisture to last till 2nd flush. See the droplets of water on the top of the lid? it does that shit for you. keep it simple.



this is just bad advice. the droplets on the lid do absolutely nothing. there are zero mushrooms growing on the lid.

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Is the mycelium supposed to start beading with moisture as soon as it pops through the surface or does it take a little time? Because i know for a fact that my sub was hydrated properly but from what i can see the small spots of myc popping through right now dont have any droplets on them. The side of the sub/tub is building a ton of condensation tho. Its been 2 days since spawn.



I usually wait until the surface is 100% colonized before I start misting...uncolonized sub can get contaminated easily.



if you use CVG, that is not the case. uncolonized CVG will not contaminate. I've let hydrated cvg sit in tubs and buckets for months and never once has it turned, and I've never read anything to the contrary.



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Idk this is confusing me too. I'm pretty sure your first idea is right. Up until now I've always thought that there should always be beads of moisture on the surface when waiting for pins and all the way up until harvest. I thought that you usually needed to mist to achieve this, unless you have a completely perfectly dialed in monotub or something




There should always be moisture on the surface.

Dood look on the ceiling of your lid, there should be a lot of condensation built on it from the substrate, the condensation will drop back onto the sub without needing to mist, hence why tubs are maintenance free, misting is only needed if there's a lack of moisture.



I would not hang my hat on this. Definitely mist. If you rely on condensation droplets, you have no control on the level of hydration. Did the droplets hydrate the surface enough or too much? Or what if somebody changes the thermostat, now the condensation is gone.

You're suggesting a lazy, half assed approach as a replacement for something that takes like 5 seconds. Thats just bad advice, dood.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Explicitdetail]
    #25095560 - 03/27/18 06:43 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Grow4 is was not your verm, tap water, or coir that came from the spawn brother it happens, chalk it up and move on to the next agar plate.

There are tons of hidden contams that can look like mycelium or hitch a ride on it so even if it looks amazing on agar doesn't mean its 100%.

Anyways here is my best shoebox to date! Spawned on the 19th and just started pinning yesterday, I'm hoping it still fills out even more :wink: (gotta zoom in to see the baby pins)


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Shrooms4life]
    #25095572 - 03/27/18 06:46 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

@Munchauzen Thank you for your words of wisdom my man! :thumbup:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato]
    #25095589 - 03/27/18 06:49 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Idk man maybe it’s the environment here but if I leave cooked coir in a bucket for more than a month it gets a little bacterial or something. Maybe the lid seals too tight and it’s anaerobes but I have had noticeable issues with using month old plus coir


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Shrooms4life]
    #25095594 - 03/27/18 06:51 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Grow4 is was not your verm, tap water, or coir that came from the spawn brother it happens, chalk it up and move on to the next agar plate.

There are tons of hidden contams that can look like mycelium or hitch a ride on it so even if it looks amazing on agar doesn't mean its 100%.

Anyways here is my best shoebox to date! Spawned on the 19th and just started pinning yesterday, I'm hoping it still fills out even more :wink: (gotta zoom in to see the baby pins)




:whathesaid:

CVG is never the reason for contams - it simply doesn't harbor it. They won't germinate on CVG even if it sits hydrated in a bucket for 6 months with opening it up a bunch of times. I've done this for years, cooking 8 coir bricks at a time. My tub stays full for months sometimes.



@shrooms4life Your shoebox looks perfect! Great job on that, hope you have a solid yield.


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