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grow4fun



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Xerbia]
#25094773 - 03/27/18 02:07 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Xerbia said: How do pans do in the shoebox?
I think someone said they are in the middle of testing that out.
I want to know how they do in these tubs as well.
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flyhighfunguy


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato]
#25094792 - 03/27/18 02:12 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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grow4fun said: Provide fresh air, daylight helps too, no need to mist, should be enough moisture to last till 2nd flush. See the droplets of water on the top of the lid? it does that shit for you. keep it simple.
Oh wow that's a mind fuck lol, this whole time I've been thinking that misting is one of the most important things, and now your telling me I don't even need to mist at all for a couple flushes 
Can anyone confirm this? That would be awesome if I literally just let these tubs sit here until it's time to harvest but I thought misting was super important
Mist only as needed. It's all about surface conditions. This link has some good info -------> Proper Surface Moisture
Is the mycelium supposed to start beading with moisture as soon as it pops through the surface or does it take a little time? Because i know for a fact that my sub was hydrated properly but from what i can see the small spots of myc popping through right now dont have any droplets on them. The side of the sub/tub is building a ton of condensation tho. Its been 2 days since spawn.
Edited by flyhighfunguy (03/27/18 02:14 PM)
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flyhighfunguy said: Is the mycelium supposed to start beading with moisture as soon as it pops through the surface or does it take a little time? Because i know for a fact that my sub was hydrated properly but from what i can see the small spots of myc popping through right now dont have any droplets on them. The side of the sub/tub is building a ton of condensation tho. Its been 2 days since spawn.
I usually wait until the surface is 100% colonized before I start misting...uncolonized sub can get contaminated easily.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun]
#25094911 - 03/27/18 02:48 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Xerbia said: How do pans do in the shoebox?
I think someone said they are in the middle of testing that out.
I want to know how they do in these tubs as well.

Panaeolus Cyanescens in a shoebox on straight coir and verm
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato]
#25094915 - 03/27/18 02:48 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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grow4fun said: Provide fresh air, daylight helps too, no need to mist, should be enough moisture to last till 2nd flush. See the droplets of water on the top of the lid? it does that shit for you. keep it simple.
Oh wow that's a mind fuck lol, this whole time I've been thinking that misting is one of the most important things, and now your telling me I don't even need to mist at all for a couple flushes 
Can anyone confirm this? That would be awesome if I literally just let these tubs sit here until it's time to harvest but I thought misting was super important
Mist only as needed. It's all about surface conditions. This link has some good info -------> Proper Surface Moisture
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Surface Moisture:
While your waiting for your pinset to fill out you want to see beads of moisture covering the entire surface of your substrate.
If/when your substrate starts to dry, give it a generous misting. Mist from above your tub, letting the mist gently fall to the surface of your sub. It will bead up all on its own. You want to avoid pooling of water on the surface!
....i read this as you want constant beads on pins...mayby I started too soon.....next run I will wait....i thought I understood...
So if I have condensation on sidewalls but no visible beads on surface it should be good? Is that a good rule of thumb....cutting back water now....
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I only mist when the surface looks like it needs it. Not really on a schedule if I don’t see moisture on the surface I give it mist.
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grow4fun said: Provide fresh air, daylight helps too, no need to mist, should be enough moisture to last till 2nd flush. See the droplets of water on the top of the lid? it does that shit for you. keep it simple.
Oh wow that's a mind fuck lol, this whole time I've been thinking that misting is one of the most important things, and now your telling me I don't even need to mist at all for a couple flushes 
Can anyone confirm this? That would be awesome if I literally just let these tubs sit here until it's time to harvest but I thought misting was super important
Mist only as needed. It's all about surface conditions. This link has some good info -------> Proper Surface Moisture
From tek... quote
Surface Moisture:
While your waiting for your pinset to fill out you want to see beads of moisture covering the entire surface of your substrate.
If/when your substrate starts to dry, give it a generous misting. Mist from above your tub, letting the mist gently fall to the surface of your sub. It will bead up all on its own. You want to avoid pooling of water on the surface!
....i read this as you want constant beads on pins...mayby I started too soon.....next run I will wait....i thought I understood...
So if I have condensation on sidewalls but no visible beads on surface it should be good? Is that a good rule of thumb....cutting back water now....
Idk this is confusing me too. I'm pretty sure your first idea is right. Up until now I've always thought that there should always be beads of moisture on the surface when waiting for pins and all the way up until harvest. I thought that you usually needed to mist to achieve this, unless you have a completely perfectly dialed in monotub or something
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Yes. You always want a light beading of moisture on the surface of the myc while waiting for pins. Once the pins appear up your FAE and continue misting as needed. You can have a little bit of beading on pins, but you don’t want to drown them in water or they’ll abort...that how I do it at least...never had an issue
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato]
#25095050 - 03/27/18 03:40 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am also having trouble with moisture content and rh in my shoeboxes. Spawning (b+>brf>cv; 2@ 4brf/2q & 1@ 3brf/1.5q) was 12 days ago and since then the sub has been shrinking, about 1/4" off each wall. Other than that everything is well. I've been misting heavily to prevent this when it began but I couldn't keep up. I checked for field cap before spawn and it was sufficient. I'm now getting early sidepins due to this. Does anybody have a proven remedy to this I could do now? I was thinking bottom watering and then a late top layer? Idk. Next time a monotub is going to be used. What kind of tubs are you using to as a fc for shoeboxes, I saw mention of a damp towel for rh? Thanks.
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TheRealMccoy001 said: I am also having trouble with moisture content and rh in my shoeboxes. Spawning (b+>brf>cv; 2@ 4brf/2q & 1@ 3brf/1.5q) was 12 days ago and since then the sub has been shrinking, about 1/4" off each wall. Other than that everything is well. I've been misting heavily to prevent this when it began but I couldn't keep up. I checked for field cap before spawn and it was sufficient. I'm now getting early sidepins due to this. Does anybody have a proven remedy to this I could do now? I was thinking bottom watering and then a late top layer? Idk. Next time a monotub is going to be used. What kind of tubs are you using to as a fc for shoeboxes, I saw mention of a damp towel for rh? Thanks.
The shrinking is normal. As the myc consume the sub it will shrink a bit. Proving better conditions on the top surface is about all you can do at this point. Once side pins set in you kinda just gotta ride it out. Liners can help prevent side pinning, but it really comes down to keeping the top conditions prime.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato]
#25095090 - 03/27/18 03:58 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dub tub. You take the lid off and flip an empty shoebox on top
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25095106 - 03/27/18 04:04 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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My first good harvest!
Golden Teacher 156g wet first flush
 
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OranguTrump said: My first good harvest!
Golden Teacher 156g wet first flush
  
 
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura]
#25095141 - 03/27/18 04:15 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Golden Teacher 156g wet first flush
  
  
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OranguTrump said: My first good harvest!
Golden Teacher 156g wet first flush
  

No joke - I'm grinning like a madman & getting moist eyes...
Thanks guys - I'm pumped over this one!
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Feels good doesn’t it!?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato]
#25095219 - 03/27/18 04:40 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Up until now I've always thought that there should always be beads of moisture on the surface when waiting for pins and all the way up until harvest.
i only keep it that way until the pinset has come in. so about at this point...
 all the pins that can form, have formed..leave alone and watch nature/
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I thought that you usually needed to mist to achieve this
depends on your ambient conditions. if i lived in the desert, id mist a lot. if i lived in miami? probably never. it varies. hence 'mist when needed'.
but even then.. you dont HAVE TO MIST. just leave them alone to grow NOW.. make adjustments after. dont try to multitask awesome pinsets, with learning surface conditions at the same time. i know i couldnt
maybe some people can but i cant so just go step by step. grow the shoebox, take notes, improve for next time
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flyhighfunguy said: Idk this is confusing me too. I'm pretty sure your first idea is right. Up until now I've always thought that there should always be beads of moisture on the surface when waiting for pins and all the way up until harvest. I thought that you usually needed to mist to achieve this, unless you have a completely perfectly dialed in monotub or something
There should always be moisture on the surface.
Dood look on the ceiling of your lid, there should be a lot of condensation built on it from the substrate, the condensation will drop back onto the sub without needing to mist, hence why tubs are maintenance free, misting is only needed if there's a lack of moisture.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun]
#25095248 - 03/27/18 04:50 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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grow4fun said: What are your thoughts on this substrate? Whats up with the yellow and dark blue?

Edit: some backstory, the substrate is 1:1 vg, moistened with just luke warm tap water. Is it bacteria or what?
Can someone pls comment on this?
Edited by grow4fun (03/27/18 04:53 PM)
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun]
#25095264 - 03/27/18 04:57 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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grow4fun said: the condensation will drop back onto the sub without needing to mist
not quite... the same moisture that builds on the bottom of the lid, also builds on the subs surface.
i remember drip shields 
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darkblue/green lookin spots on the colonized grain areas are 99% always mold ime. you are seeing where its coming from(dirty spawn..literally)
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