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mushboy
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun]
#25091670 - 03/26/18 10:32 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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all i know is your pics look like some boxes i had that were literally buried in a closet. more air doesnt mean a fan. it means, flip the lid. or put inside a dialed in monotub. not blowing air on a tote
and proper light cycles 12/12 with a single 6500k cfl would work fine. but whatever you are doing isnt working so do the opposite.
thats what i do.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25091671 - 03/26/18 10:32 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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First shoebox, 13 days after spawning. Clone from pf tek cake on 1 qt grass seed spawned to 1 qt substrate consisting of coir/hpoo/verm/gypsum. Was a massive pinset, but a lot of aborts. Is it normal to have so many abort like that?
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grow4fun



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25091682 - 03/26/18 10:37 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushboy said:

all i know is your pics look like some boxes i had that were literally buried in a closet. more air doesnt mean a fan. it means, flip the lid. or put inside a dialed in monotub. not blowing air on a tote
and proper light cycles 12/12 with a single 6500k cfl would work fine. but whatever you are doing isnt working so do the opposite.
thats what i do.
Yeah they are buried thats the problem, will fix it.
I just think a fan blowing into the closet might help giving FA, idk man, if I had space to grow anywhere else i would, got people coming and going. It's a heat hobby you know that. 
Did an edit you probably didn't see it. I had a GH with trays over a year ago, no fanning, same closet but without the shelves. They grew fat fruits but had a light cycle 12/12 like you are saying, not a 6500k however just a standard shitty lamp. I will keep the door open and blow indirect air into it. Those tubs are dubbed, no latch, easily slide off if moved. I'll post an update to see if these bastards bounce back.
Edited by grow4fun (03/26/18 10:39 AM)
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun]
#25091684 - 03/26/18 10:38 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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voodoochild1000
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb]
#25091692 - 03/26/18 10:41 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psicomvb said:
 Shoeboxes all day eryday.
Damn.... so far I'm just not getting that great of a pin set across the surface I need to post some pictures I guess and see if I can get some suggestions....i want what u got going!..
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb]
#25091860 - 03/26/18 12:30 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psicomvb said:
 Shoeboxes all day eryday.
It’s a beautiful thing.
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Shrooms4life
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God those apes look amazing!
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Psicomb



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Thanks guys! Honestly I've come to realize that the less attention I pay to my grows the better. This APE was uncased and MS to grain, but I'm gonna be knocking up some APE agar after my shift today and hopefully get some consistently big APE bois.
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Edited by Psicomb (03/26/18 02:09 PM)
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Xerbia]
#25092115 - 03/26/18 02:07 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Xerbia said: First shoebox, 13 days after spawning. Clone from pf tek cake on 1 qt grass seed spawned to 1 qt substrate consisting of coir/hpoo/verm/gypsum. Was a massive pinset, but a lot of aborts. Is it normal to have so many abort like that?

Not enough water maybe? Contam Maybe?
Looks like its dry and the sub is shrinking.
Looks like maybe needs more FAE to help with the long skinny stems.
To the other dude with the box's in the closet. Listen to Mushboy 
Definitely light and FAE looks like the problem...
Mushboy is funny as fuck... Made me laugh twice in the last two pages.
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Edited by Enkidu (03/26/18 02:09 PM)
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voodoochild1000
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb]
#25092147 - 03/26/18 02:23 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psicomvb said: Thanks guys! Honestly I've come to realize that the less attention I pay to my grows the better. This APE was uncased and MS to grain, but I'm gonna be knocking up some APE agar after my shift today and hopefully get some consistently big APE bois.
Tell me what I'm doing wrong? ...make mine look like your yours..
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Edited by voodoochild1000 (03/26/18 02:29 PM)
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grow4fun



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Xerbia]
#25092157 - 03/26/18 02:28 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Xerbia said: First shoebox, 13 days after spawning. Clone from pf tek cake on 1 qt grass seed spawned to 1 qt substrate consisting of coir/hpoo/verm/gypsum. Was a massive pinset, but a lot of aborts. Is it normal to have so many abort like that?

Could be too much condensation dropping on the pins, that causes aborts.
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Psicomb



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For me and my growing arrangement my success is pretty much all in getting the field capacity right, making it leveled all the way across, using a liner (cuz I'm a noob and they have saved my ass from side pins repeatedly), and leaving them totally alone unless they get reeeeeallllly dry. I'll sometimes flip the lid / dub depending on the situation, like with the APE it just felt right to do that early on in the pinning process, but for me it hadn't really mattered if I leave it on until they grow too tall and you gotta dub em. Sorry it's not much thorough info but my technique is mostly set and forget because I've realized they grow worse when I pay a lot of attention to them. I also do a 12/12 light cycle with a 6500k bulb but even that turns into 16/8 and 14/10 frequently.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb]
#25092369 - 03/26/18 04:10 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Started misting and opened up the lids a bit more to increase FAE. Shouldn't be too long now 
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Dabadoodledoo710
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Couple shoeboxes of Eats stropharia
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Dr.Celium
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would this tek with coir only substrate work with pan cyan?
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voodoochild1000
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb]
#25092696 - 03/26/18 06:15 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psicomvb said: For me and my growing arrangement my success is pretty much all in getting the field capacity right, making it leveled all the way across, using a liner (cuz I'm a noob and they have saved my ass from side pins repeatedly), and leaving them totally alone unless they get reeeeeallllly dry. I'll sometimes flip the lid / dub depending on the situation, like with the APE it just felt right to do that early on in the pinning process, but for me it hadn't really mattered if I leave it on until they grow too tall and you gotta dub em. Sorry it's not much thorough info but my technique is mostly set and forget because I've realized they grow worse when I pay a lot of attention to them. I also do a 12/12 light cycle with a 6500k bulb but even that turns into 16/8 and 14/10 frequently.
Maybe I just need to f*** with s*** less and try eyeliner? I'm popping the lids and looking at the substrate multiple times a day and Miss Thing and you're saying you don't pop the lids until you actually see a bunch of pins popping up? I feel like I need to mist the substrate if it's not having any moisture on the surface?... my room is like 35% humidity and it seems to try things off relatively quickly. Should I just let my unpin boxes chill until they've got pins? I feel like the substrate need some moisture though
...awesome pics man!
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Dr.Celium]
#25092705 - 03/26/18 06:18 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dr.Celium said: would this tek with coir only substrate work with pan cyan?
workin on it.
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Psicomb



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Quote:
voodoochild1000 said:
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Psicomvb said: For me and my growing arrangement my success is pretty much all in getting the field capacity right, making it leveled all the way across, using a liner (cuz I'm a noob and they have saved my ass from side pins repeatedly), and leaving them totally alone unless they get reeeeeallllly dry. I'll sometimes flip the lid / dub depending on the situation, like with the APE it just felt right to do that early on in the pinning process, but for me it hadn't really mattered if I leave it on until they grow too tall and you gotta dub em. Sorry it's not much thorough info but my technique is mostly set and forget because I've realized they grow worse when I pay a lot of attention to them. I also do a 12/12 light cycle with a 6500k bulb but even that turns into 16/8 and 14/10 frequently.
Maybe I just need to f*** with s*** less and try eyeliner? I'm popping the lids and looking at the substrate multiple times a day and Miss Thing and you're saying you don't pop the lids until you actually see a bunch of pins popping up? I feel like I need to mist the substrate if it's not having any moisture on the surface?... my room is like 35% humidity and it seems to try things off relatively quickly. Should I just let my unpin boxes chill until they've got pins? I feel like the substrate need some moisture though
...awesome pics man!
Thanks dude, I appreciate it. I feel really grateful for my grows and the knowledge I got from these wonderful bozos here. My walk in closet that I grow them in is about 16% RH because I'm in a bitterly cold, dry area but it still works just fine. In fact, that's one of the reasons why I don't dub them until they get close to the lid. They really do get plenty of FAE with the lid latched (especially if it is a 6qt sterilite in my experience). You made your sub field capacity, right? If so you should be totally good with little (I mean once every 1-3 days) to no misting through the first flush. I definitely wouldn't mist before they start pinning unless maybe it is bone, with a capital B, dry (which it will never be if it was at field capacity). This is simply my experience, though! Results may vary haha.
Edit: oh yeah, a liner is great. I do some without just to practice creating ideal surface conditions, but liners will help tremendously. Make sure there are two layers of liner (lay the unaltered garbage bag in the box before cutting). This will create two liners, one against the wall and one connected to the sub.
Edited by Psicomb (03/26/18 06:40 PM)
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb]
#25092806 - 03/26/18 06:47 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I feel like I do my tubs extremely similar to what you described I. Your last couple posts. Nicebox by the way.
Except a liner. Never used them. I usually only get side pins after the first fkushonce I rehydrate but idc. I just let them side pins like crazy. Got a couple pics of my side pins action. Gree zips of side pins
Best of luck guys
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Psicomb



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25093022 - 03/26/18 07:46 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lmao I feel you, side pins are the shit. I have found my tubs with side pins (i.e. without a liner) to be the highest yielders for sure. Glad to hear that the approach I take works for others too.
Edited by Psicomb (03/26/18 07:47 PM)
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