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mushboy
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im way to lazy for that shit.
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Or better yet damp towel?
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Zero Nowhere
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25069349 - 03/16/18 05:45 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey fellas. I got couple questions. First do you guys give a good mist to the top layer of coir at spawning? I'm just curious cause I've been compelled to do so. 2nd. When you crack the lid at fruiting, and you see pins and knots everywhere and the top coir layer is still dark and moist should I mist? I shouldn't mist when I see pins correct? Is it possible that I wouldn't have to mist at all?
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Failboat
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I'm wondering about misting myself, I haven't misted at all yet, but if I don't see pins in a few days now that I have dub tubbed I will start misting. I would not mist at spawning though.
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Zero Nowhere
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Failboat]
#25069387 - 03/16/18 05:56 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: I'm wondering about misting myself, I haven't misted at all yet, but if I don't see pins in a few days now that I have dub tubbed I will start misting. I would not mist at spawning though.
Ok. Maybe I shouldn't have misted the top layer at spawning, It was a light mist though. Hopefully I didn't fuck it up.
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OranguTrump
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A couple of my shoeboxes

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Enkidu
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Zero Nowhere said: Hey fellas. I got couple questions. First do you guys give a good mist to the top layer of coir at spawning? I'm just curious cause I've been compelled to do so. 2nd. When you crack the lid at fruiting, and you see pins and knots everywhere and the top coir layer is still dark and moist should I mist? I shouldn't mist when I see pins correct? Is it possible that I wouldn't have to mist at all?
Mist Top layer at spawn ? Fuck no. Your coir should be at field capacity prior to mixing and applying top layer at spawn, so misting would just add excess water.
Is it possible you don't need misting? Yeah. I've had tubs where I didn't mist until i had a bunch of big fruits and figured they might want some water. But you can have whole tubs fruit without a single mist. My last 4 tubs I dubbed and misted once and left for a week and came back to about 3-4oz.
Misting wont cause pinning. If you have a colonized top layer that is ready to pin then keeping good surface conditions with misting will help get a better pin set and encourage more pins.
But misting randomly to try and cause pinning before the myc is ready to move on and fulfill the rest of its life cycle, imo would only cause problems.
Misting is more for a dry top layer. Its to keep ideal top layer conditions. Not to force the formation of pins. Unless im wrong. Its to encourage a myc that is ready to pin to start pinning by replicating nature.
I've never really seen a top layer full of pins and knots that wasn't white from full colonization personally... Usually once I pop the lids I give a nice mist myself then just mist when I happen to have time to check if it looks a little dry.
When do you mist? When your sub is dry and tells you to. Generally when you go to Dub Tub you introduce more FAE which will cause more evaporation and the neccesity for the misting to keep those ideal surface conditions, and keep evaporation and moisture during FAE exposure.
My recommendation is to spawn and then wait for top layer to colonize, wait for primordia and pins, then pop the lid and mist when needed to keep the top layer glistening with water.
Ideally you want constant evaporation. So mist to a glisten, wait to evaporate, repeat when sub looks dry.
If you post pics people might offer suggestions on the move to make and weather to mist or not.
But theres people on here with more experience who might add something.
You want to listen to the boomers. Do what they tell you to do. Theres no set rules for "mist at this time" then wait and "mist at this time"
Different sub with different water content, strains, different things factor into what the sub will need at any given time.
I grew one strain and tried to do the exact same thing I did with those boxes to a different strain and it just didn't seem to react the same way..
So just listen to your sub and your mushrooms and give them what they need when they need it...
Check this link out to learn from a master
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053/fpart/all/vc/1
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Sutty86
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25070210 - 03/17/18 05:36 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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152g first flush 2nd box
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Failboat
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sutty86]
#25070605 - 03/17/18 10:07 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wet or dry?
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ButcherBrown
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Failboat] 1
#25070615 - 03/17/18 10:12 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sutty86
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Failboat]
#25070618 - 03/17/18 10:14 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: Wet or dry?
Wet mate in dehydrator as we speak
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Shrooms4life
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sutty86]
#25070636 - 03/17/18 10:25 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: Wet or dry?
Wet mate in dehydrator as we speak
How many quarts of spawn and sub? Your looking at about 14-15 grams dried first flush and that's on the low side of the spectrum.
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Tormato  
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Sutty86
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Quirkmeister92 said: Wet or dry?
Wet mate in dehydrator as we speak
How many quarts of spawn and sub? Your looking at about 14-15 grams dried first flush and that's on the low side of the spectrum.
Probs half a quart, and coir mixed up, I got 45g dry from previous flush on a similar box, using same ratio.
Going to add more grain next time and see how much of a difference it makes. I have a few yet still to harvest tomorrow maybe get another 100g, as the younglings are still maturing.
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Steevo
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sutty86]
#25070852 - 03/17/18 12:35 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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When did ppl stop calling the casing layer a casing layer? Recently I’ve read a lot of reference to a top layer instead
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grainbrain
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Steevo] 1
#25070891 - 03/17/18 12:58 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Steevo said: When did ppl stop calling the casing layer a casing layer? Recently I’ve read a lot of reference to a top layer instead 
Top layer is a layer of substrate laid at spawning.
Casing layer is a layer of non-nutritious material laid either at spawning or full colonization.
That's my take.
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Germs
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grainbrain said:
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Steevo said: When did ppl stop calling the casing layer a casing layer? Recently I’ve read a lot of reference to a top layer instead 
Top layer is a layer of substrate laid at spawning.
Casing layer is a layer of non-nutritious material laid either at spawning or full colonization.
That's my take.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#25072294 - 03/18/18 02:06 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Coir is non nutritious so if added 10 days after spawning that makes it a casing layer? And if added at spawn that makes it a top layer?
I´ve read that a real casing needs to be pasteurized and that a pseudo casing is one that does not need pasteurization.
I´m still confused about the terms so I´ll just stick with calling it a "late top layer of coir" until there is common consensus about this..
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thelanzii

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25072300 - 03/18/18 02:29 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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just spawned 50 grams of colonized rgs that was originally ment to be a pod to about 1.5 quarts of coir + verm in a 6qt yellow shoebox
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mushroomnate
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25072515 - 03/18/18 07:55 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mateah said: Coir is non nutritious so if added 10 days after spawning that makes it a casing layer? And if added at spawn that makes it a top layer?
I´ve read that a real casing needs to be pasteurized and that a pseudo casing is one that does not need pasteurization.
I´m still confused about the terms so I´ll just stick with calling it a "late top layer of coir" until there is common consensus about this..
I'm curious about this too.When I first did casings,I used pasteurized peat/verm added at full colonization.Now days I just add a "top layer" pseudo casing of coir at spawn to hold a little more surface moisture.But if I add a late casing,(after full colonization)I still use coir,and call it casing.
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Shrooms4life
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mushroomnate said:
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Mateah said: Coir is non nutritious so if added 10 days after spawning that makes it a casing layer? And if added at spawn that makes it a top layer?
I´ve read that a real casing needs to be pasteurized and that a pseudo casing is one that does not need pasteurization.
I´m still confused about the terms so I´ll just stick with calling it a "late top layer of coir" until there is common consensus about this..
I'm curious about this too.When I first did casings,I used pasteurized peat/verm added at full colonization.Now days I just add a "top layer" pseudo casing of coir at spawn to hold a little more surface moisture.But if I add a late casing,(after full colonization)I still use coir,and call it casing.
Yeah I've got 3 monos going and a shoebox and I'm currently expirimening with different "casing" techniques and I'll post the results here and in my grow log. I'll have one tub with a late casing after full colonization and I'll let it partially colonize before fruiting, the other will have no casing and the last will have a pseudo casing at spawn of the same cvg for all and same clone spawn.
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