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Enkidu
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mushroomnate said: Not super impressive,but my first true shoebox in a long time.

Try letting the top layer colonize completely before you introduce fruiting conditions
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25055623 - 03/11/18 05:59 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25055683 - 03/11/18 07:14 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Enkidu said:
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mushroomnate said: Not super impressive,but my first true shoebox in a long time.

Try letting the top layer colonize completely before you introduce fruiting conditions
IMO fruiting conditions are automatically introduced when the substrate is fully colonized, and the myc will not stop colonizing the top layer just because FAE in increased. This is my experience with growing cubes at least, but have I missed something?
IME it´s more about timing when to add the top layer, adding it 3 days after spawn is not the same thing as adding it 2 weeks after spawn. If added late it will not get colonized much, if added too early it will get completely colonized. Idk if the colonization can be controlled with FAE. Can someone expand on this?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25055702 - 03/11/18 07:38 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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3AM, just before I started harvesting this third flush of great white monsters. Have broken 400 wet grams for this box, with several mushrooms left to harvest.

EDIT - Total for the three flushes of this box = 487.1 grams wet
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
#25055787 - 03/11/18 08:52 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I had 3qts of atl7 spawn that weren't doing shit and looked a little off so I said fuck it and spawned them each to their own shoebox. Top and bottom got mixed in and cased and the middle is just cased. Sub/casing is a mix of coir, sand and verm
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25055827 - 03/11/18 09:20 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mateah said:
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Enkidu said:
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mushroomnate said: Not super impressive,but my first true shoebox in a long time.

Try letting the top layer colonize completely before you introduce fruiting conditions
IMO fruiting conditions are automatically introduced when the substrate is fully colonized, and the myc will not stop colonizing the top layer just because FAE in increased. This is my experience with growing cubes at least, but have I missed something?
IME it´s more about timing when to add the top layer, adding it 3 days after spawn is not the same thing as adding it 2 weeks after spawn. If added late it will not get colonized much, if added too early it will get completely colonized. Idk if the colonization can be controlled with FAE. Can someone expand on this?
I've just always had good results with grows when I let the top layer become fully colonizing before introducing fruiting conditions, and seen a lot of pics with people who didn't have fully colonized top layers and not a lot of mushrooms growing. How can the top layer pin and produce a mushroom if there's no myc exposed to the air to create a pin...? Maybe it is I who is missing something..
My last grow I spawned 4 shoebox's and one had a thicker top layer that didn't colonize fully before I left on a week long vacation, the other 3 were fully colonized. The day I left I flipped the lids and misted then came back, and the top layer still did not colonize on the last tub and it produced the least amount of mushrooms with a lot of side mushrooms and side pinning, which I normally don't have first flush. But who knows.
I always wait for full colonization of top layer myself, so can't really speak on the results of initiating fruiting conditions prior to full colonization. But, like I said, i've seen a lot of pics of top layers not fully colonized and only a few mushrooms here and there growing. I personally don't see what could be the advantage of not waiting for a fully colonized top layer
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu] 1
#25055831 - 03/11/18 09:23 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Interesting. I´ll upload a pic later from one of the shoeboxes when I get home, the surface is completely covered in coir and also completely covered in pins. The best pinsets I´ve seen in my tubs come from underneith the top layer that is barely colonized. But as we all know you can get great pinset without a top layer, and also with a fully colonized top layer. But IME a late top layer creates the best conditions.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25055848 - 03/11/18 09:36 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mateah said:
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Enkidu said:
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mushroomnate said: Not super impressive,but my first true shoebox in a long time.

Try letting the top layer colonize completely before you introduce fruiting conditions
IMO fruiting conditions are automatically introduced when the substrate is fully colonized, and the myc will not stop colonizing the top layer just because FAE in increased. This is my experience with growing cubes at least, but have I missed something?
IME it´s more about timing when to add the top layer, adding it 3 days after spawn is not the same thing as adding it 2 weeks after spawn. If added late it will not get colonized much, if added too early it will get completely colonized. Idk if the colonization can be controlled with FAE. Can someone expand on this?
Yea,this was a late top layer.When fully colonized my shoeboxes will fruit without me putting them into "fruiting" conditions.When they reach the lid I dub tub.I also used some "ugly" straggler brf jars for this.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25055854 - 03/11/18 09:40 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mateah said: Interesting. I´ll upload a pic later from one of the shoeboxes when I get home, the surface is completely covered in coir and also completely covered in pins. The best pinsets I´ve seen in my tubs come from underneith the top layer that is barely colonized. But as we all know you can get great pinset without a top layer, and also with a fully colonized top layer. But IME a late top layer creates the best conditions.
That is very interesting. I thought the myc had to break the top layer to produce the pinset. Maybe I just don't have enough experience. As I said, I've always waited for the top layer to be completely colonized as well, so I don't have much to compare it to. I also always put my top layer on as soon as I spawn. Flip the lid and dub at a nice pinset / mushroom starting to grow.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25055957 - 03/11/18 10:37 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have ambient light for sure for now and I was planning on getting a 6500k for fruiting but I can't remember if I read that the light can be used or should be used from the beginning or starting at fruiting is fine?
More light than ambient isn't really needed for spawn run right?
I feel like it's not a huge issue for now and it's not in total darkness
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mycellium benefits from light at all stages of growth
window light is adequate from my understanding
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25056082 - 03/11/18 11:51 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Enkidu said:
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Mateah said: Interesting. I´ll upload a pic later from one of the shoeboxes when I get home, the surface is completely covered in coir and also completely covered in pins. The best pinsets I´ve seen in my tubs come from underneith the top layer that is barely colonized. But as we all know you can get great pinset without a top layer, and also with a fully colonized top layer. But IME a late top layer creates the best conditions.
That is very interesting. I thought the myc had to break the top layer to produce the pinset. Maybe I just don't have enough experience. As I said, I've always waited for the top layer to be completely colonized as well, so I don't have much to compare it to. I also always put my top layer on as soon as I spawn. Flip the lid and dub at a nice pinset / mushroom starting to grow.
I totally agree with you that from one point of view the myc should be able the breathe as much as possible and to evaporate off moisture, and this seems more easily achieved without the top layer, I just havent been able to create an impressive pinset without a late top layer. I think I have to practice more without the top layer to see what the myc likes the most.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25056117 - 03/11/18 12:08 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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My first bulk grow, also in a shoebox!!
Think its looking good so far?

Top and bottom view. I figure the way its growing should be ready to start fruiting tomorrow
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Terrible pics. Probably ok
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Ajwuzhere0914 said: My first bulk grow, also in a shoebox!!
Think its looking good so far?

Top and bottom view. I figure the way its growing should be ready to start fruiting tomorrow
what is your bulk made out of? looks like some straw
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja] 1
#25056338 - 03/11/18 01:45 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mateah said:
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Enkidu said:
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Mateah said: Interesting. I´ll upload a pic later from one of the shoeboxes when I get home, the surface is completely covered in coir and also completely covered in pins. The best pinsets I´ve seen in my tubs come from underneith the top layer that is barely colonized. But as we all know you can get great pinset without a top layer, and also with a fully colonized top layer. But IME a late top layer creates the best conditions.
That is very interesting. I thought the myc had to break the top layer to produce the pinset. Maybe I just don't have enough experience. As I said, I've always waited for the top layer to be completely colonized as well, so I don't have much to compare it to. I also always put my top layer on as soon as I spawn. Flip the lid and dub at a nice pinset / mushroom starting to grow.
I totally agree with you that from one point of view the myc should be able the breathe as much as possible and to evaporate off moisture, and this seems more easily achieved without the top layer, I just havent been able to create an impressive pinset without a late top layer. I think I have to practice more without the top layer to see what the myc likes the most. 
even though this isnt a shoebox, its a larger 16qt bootbox .. this is how i want damn near every surface to look with a top layer.
 the myc has colonized through the top layer but not enough to completely cover the coir. cant wait for this to explode with apes. knots galore. i have high hopes for this tub
i dont like when the surface completely colonizes like this
 i can never pill dense pinsets when i let them colonize 100%
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25056355 - 03/11/18 01:49 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im lazy.
I turn my lights on once I spawn jars to my coir, and they start colonizing in my shoebox's. If I only had jars colonizing I wouldn't use my lights.
Been thinking I might even cut back on the lights to like an 8on 14off cycle and maybe even use less bulbs.
Anyone use less lighting than the 12on and 12 off and have you noticed a difference in 1 bulb vs more ? at the moment I only have 4 shoebox's so maybe the lights are overkill from when I was pushing more boxes at once...
That's interesting Mushboy.
I'm going to try some box's where I pop the lid at your colonization preference and compare to some I let sit a touch longer and see if I notice a difference.
Got a bunch of agar from a clone and plan to get back to making a bunch of jars for some G2G soon.... kinda excited 
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25056518 - 03/11/18 03:03 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's rye grain spawn, to 30% straw, 20%hpoo, 30% cow poo, 10%compost, 5%verm and <5% forest products that were pre mixed with the cowpoo. Originally a 40%rye 20%straw, and 40% hpoo all in one bag. Mixed in some of the pasteuized cowpoo for some extra umph when i moved it to the shoebox lol (this is my first bulk grow, first time using a rye bag)
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Just checked on my last shoebox that I retired no top layer with. How's it looking?
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Looks good to me, how do the sides and underneath look? Ive read that sometimes the top colonizes quicker or slower than underneath, but its gotta be uniformly colonized before fruiting?
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