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Germs
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: BripTalls]
#25042564 - 03/06/18 10:11 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Brip - Looks like its gonna be quite a bit of work to mist but it will work. Sounds like you’re doing a stealth grow but you’ve done your reading so that’s good. Honestly your house temps are more than sufficient, you will find a large percentage of the growers here deal with ambient temps of 50s or less and still grow thousands of beautiful mushrooms. Ditch the heat mat, use it for warming your ass on a cold day
Some people use those black binder clips for keeping dubtubbed boxes together
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mushboy
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#25042588 - 03/06/18 10:19 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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i use mp tape on one end to keep it together. clips cost $. tape is a multitasker
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if thats a clone id toss(the culture) and go back to MS and look for more. or just keep growing ms which is fun and wait for those real standout shroomies.
dont clone and clone either. cant remember why but its frowned upon or something.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25042642 - 03/06/18 10:37 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushboy said: i use mp tape on one end to keep it together. clips cost $. tape is a multitasker
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Shrooms4life said:

if thats a clone id toss(the culture) and go back to MS and look for more. or just keep growing ms which is fun and wait for those real standout shroomies.
dont clone and clone either. cant remember why but its frowned upon or something.
Both tubs are clones from ms grows, at the time they were the fastest and biggest fruits so I cloned them, I thought cloning a fruits tissue kept the genetics of that mushroom going on to future grows.. that was my whole intention of cloning to begin with!
I wanted to stay away from ms because my understanding was you would get more uniform grows, pinning, more return ect from taking a clone.. i swear I keep getting botched results lol, so far my best grow has been from bacterial ms in a grow bag with hardly any fae.
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Germs
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Those substrates look really matted/slightly bacterial. Almost as if it was left to colonize too long before fruiting. I’ve gotten shoeboxes in the past that get that look if they aren’t given enough air at 100% colonization, instead of pinning evenly the mycelium just kinda consolidates and then finally pops out pins in random places like in your pics.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#25042716 - 03/06/18 11:01 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Germs said: Those substrates look really matted/slightly bacterial. Almost as if it was left to colonize too long before fruiting. I’ve gotten shoeboxes in the past that get that look if they aren’t given enough air at 100% colonization, instead of pinning evenly the mycelium just kinda consolidates and then finally pops out pins in random places like in your pics.
Hmm idk man the spawn is def clean it was transfers 3x from clone and then put to oats and g2g like 3 times now into 25+ quart jars and I've had none contam so I don't think that's the issue here.
Maybe too low of fae at full colonization but I don't see how since it's a shoebox and was fruited at spawn and sat on the desk in the middle of my grow room so It should be getting plenty of fae! I still have the lid snapped on hoping to fill out the pinset but I guess I'll flip when I get home.
The 27qt could be matted possibly, the lid is tight fitting and it's unmodded! I'll try providing more fae in future grows.
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Germs
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Yeah i took a second look and the shoebox looks good its the first pic I was more so talking about. My first unmodded mini monos looked like that too, they eventually fruited but put out a handful of huge ass shrooms instead of a canopy of normal ones
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#25042756 - 03/06/18 11:15 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Germs said: Yeah i took a second look and the shoebox looks good its the first pic I was more so talking about. My first unmodded mini monos looked like that too, they eventually fruited but put out a handful of huge ass shrooms instead of a canopy of normal ones
Yeah based on this random pinset I believe this tub will do the samw thing unfortunately germs did you combat that problem on your other minis by just adding the normal 2 holes bottom of each long side and one hole under the handles like a mono setup?
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Germs
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Germs said: Yeah i took a second look and the shoebox looks good its the first pic I was more so talking about. My first unmodded mini monos looked like that too, they eventually fruited but put out a handful of huge ass shrooms instead of a canopy of normal ones
Yeah based on this random pinset I believe this tub will do the samw thing unfortunately germs did you combat that problem on your other minis by just adding the normal 2 holes bottom of each long side and one hole under the handles like a mono setup?
That’s what I did i definitely wanna give unmodded a try again though. Just waiting to move into our new place before doing anything bigger than shoeboxes
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#25042929 - 03/06/18 12:54 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Germs said:
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Shrooms4life said:
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Germs said: Yeah i took a second look and the shoebox looks good its the first pic I was more so talking about. My first unmodded mini monos looked like that too, they eventually fruited but put out a handful of huge ass shrooms instead of a canopy of normal ones
Yeah based on this random pinset I believe this tub will do the samw thing unfortunately germs did you combat that problem on your other minis by just adding the normal 2 holes bottom of each long side and one hole under the handles like a mono setup?
That’s what I did i definitely wanna give unmodded a try again though. Just waiting to move into our new place before doing anything bigger than shoeboxes
I was just thinking about this on the way home but if I had inadequate fae germs then wouldn't I have fuzzy feet on my fruits? There hasn't been any of that :/
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Germs
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Nah you can grow your stuff outside and still have fuzzy feet. When I get home I’ll post some pocs to show what I’m talking about
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#25043062 - 03/06/18 01:36 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Germs said: Nah you can grow your stuff outside and still have fuzzy feet. When I get home I’ll post some pocs to show what I’m talking about
Ok brother sounds good, I look forward to it! I guess I'll go back to ms>agar>agar>agar> oats> spawn and see how that goes.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25043451 - 03/06/18 04:24 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Does anyone use a 1:4 ratio when doing shoeboxes? Is this a bad idea?
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Shrooms4life
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Shouldn't be a problem as long as your spawn is super clean because it will take longer to fully colonize.
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Is there a benefit to using 1:4, as opposed to a 1:1?
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mushroomnate
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Zero Nowhere said: Is there a benefit to using 1:4, as opposed to a 1:1?
I guess the benefit would be that you are using less spawn.
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mushboy
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Lower spawn ratios take longer to colonize. I've been meaning to play with lower ratios but I got distracted.
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Shrooms4life
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Zero Nowhere said: Is there a benefit to using 1:4, as opposed to a 1:1?
I don't think there is any benefit no, maybe just the fact that you have more substrate? But that doesn't always equate to more mushrooms.
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Zero Nowhere
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Zero Nowhere said: Is there a benefit to using 1:4, as opposed to a 1:1?
I guess the benefit would be that you are using less spawn.
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Shrooms4life said:
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Zero Nowhere said: Is there a benefit to using 1:4, as opposed to a 1:1?
I don't think there is any benefit no, maybe just the fact that you have more substrate? But that doesn't always equate to more mushrooms.
Sub holds more water than grain, correct? Would that mean more water for bigger shrooms, in the same size tub?
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mushboy
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More or less. How you fruit your tubs plays a part.
It's like, totally on page1
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Failboat
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Zero Nowhere said: Is there a benefit to using 1:4, as opposed to a 1:1?
It depends on the grain type and bulk sub, but why 1:4, why not just 1:2? Example: If you use grass seed then you have more noc points compared to large grain, but relativelt low water content and so using more coir makes sense as to supply more water.
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