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Spivkurl
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun]
#25040514 - 03/05/18 01:46 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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grow4fun said: Yes sir. I don't even simmer my rye, and often I don't even soak. I just toss 1:1 rye/h20 and PC. I keep things simple yet precise. 
Just some questions...
1:1 by volume or weight?
You don't have trouble with too much moisture?
What do you inoculate with, generally?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
#25040534 - 03/05/18 01:56 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spivkurl said:
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grow4fun said: Yes sir. I don't even simmer my rye, and often I don't even soak. I just toss 1:1 rye/h20 and PC. I keep things simple yet precise. 
Just some questions...
1:1 by volume or weight?
You don't have trouble with too much moisture?
What do you inoculate with, generally?
Moisture is perfect. 1:1 by weight, however doesn't have to be exact. You can soak the grain and PC (min 15PSI 60-90min) using the same dirty ass water if you want to. But usually I don't soak. I've done this tek using pint, quart, and DIY vacuum spawn bags. Works fine.
example: 200g rye:190-210g H20 **optional: knife tip of gypsum
I use MS, LC, or grain transfers.
Edited by grow4fun (03/05/18 02:05 PM)
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Spivkurl
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun]
#25040625 - 03/05/18 02:34 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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grow4fun said: Moisture is perfect. 1:1 by weight, however doesn't have to be exact. You can soak the grain and PC (min 15PSI 60-90min) using the same dirty ass water if you want to. But usually I don't soak. I've done this tek using pint, quart, and DIY vacuum spawn bags. Works fine.
example: 200g rye:190-210g H20 **optional: knife tip of gypsum
I use MS, LC, or grain transfers.
Pretty cool! I might just have to try this. Need to do some rye soon anyway. Sure would save a lot of annoying effort, especially if it worked just as well. Thanks for sharing the tip!
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
#25040749 - 03/05/18 03:24 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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So getting a few of these going for clones and kicks and then try a few monotubs
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I've tried wbs, wheat and oats and struggled with moisture content being too wet, Followed teks to the tee. All grains are different though it's experimenting.
I'm having great success with brown rice whole atm. Brown rice covered with boiling water and left to sit for 30mins water 2:1 grains, Drain water off and had a vermiculite to jar and shake.
Colonisation is absolutely smashing my oat, wbs, wheat jars
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sutty86]
#25040833 - 03/05/18 04:00 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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you gotta dry your grains thoroughly before loading. like bone dry. if i dont do that they always fuck up
except soaked grains. but thats another tek
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25040862 - 03/05/18 04:09 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fooman or hamloaf wbs prep always comes out perfect. You add the wbs once your water is boiling. Turn off the heat and wait 30 - 60 minutes. Dry 15 minutes in a collander. Load wet. Pc 90 minutes. Done.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
#25040961 - 03/05/18 04:51 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whoever was asking about a good mister...this is the one you want.
Chapin 1002 48-Ounce Hand Sprayer
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura] 1
#25040974 - 03/05/18 04:54 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I like this type; They throw a super fine mist:
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25040996 - 03/05/18 05:01 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushboy said: you gotta dry your grains thoroughly before loading. like bone dry. if i dont do that they always fuck up
except soaked grains. but thats another tek
Best way to go about drying? If I leave it in the colander the steam stops before it's even close to dry on the outside. Even after a few hours in the colander it has some moisture on the outside.
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Sutty86
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MooseShroom said:
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mushboy said: you gotta dry your grains thoroughly before loading. like bone dry. if i dont do that they always fuck up
except soaked grains. but thats another tek
Best way to go about drying? If I leave it in the colander the steam stops before it's even close to dry on the outside. Even after a few hours in the colander it has some moisture on the outside.
I've tried all the teks, My grains just shit, pc isn't the best (electric 12psi) I pc for 120mins Literally done some oats other day boiled for 15mins colonising well as we speak but we will see. Brown rice is pretty cheap where I shop so I've banged a few more jars tonight.
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Spivkurl
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun]
#25041060 - 03/05/18 05:22 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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grow4fun said:
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Spivkurl said:
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grow4fun said: Yes sir. I don't even simmer my rye, and often I don't even soak. I just toss 1:1 rye/h20 and PC. I keep things simple yet precise. 
Just some questions...
1:1 by volume or weight?
You don't have trouble with too much moisture?
What do you inoculate with, generally?
Moisture is perfect. 1:1 by weight, however doesn't have to be exact. You can soak the grain and PC (min 15PSI 60-90min) using the same dirty ass water if you want to. But usually I don't soak. I've done this tek using pint, quart, and DIY vacuum spawn bags. Works fine.
example: 200g rye:190-210g H20 **optional: knife tip of gypsum
I use MS, LC, or grain transfers.
Well, I'm in. The PC cycle just finished. Did 4 - 1 1/2 pint jars.
I'll use three for G2G of a B+ pin to grain that just colonized. The other will probably take a clone from my latest B+ box, which has a great cluster getting going.
Here's what I've got my eye on. I would love a box of clusters like that!
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
#25041090 - 03/05/18 05:31 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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JHOVA said: Fooman or hamloaf wbs prep always comes out perfect. You add the wbs once your water is boiling. Turn off the heat and wait 30 - 60 minutes. Dry 15 minutes in a collander. Load wet. Pc 90 minutes. Done.
I'll cosign this. I pretty much exclusively use FooMans because I have always found it difficult to dry 10lbs of bird seed thoroughly at once in my ridiculously tiny studio kitchen. This led to wet jars and busted grains after PCing when trying Franks. If I had a larger sink to fit a bigger strainer into I'm sure it'd work great, but with FooMans loading it up slightly damp hasn't created any issues for me. Just PC for the proper amount of time and shake before inoculating.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
#25041091 - 03/05/18 05:31 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Holy hijack Batman!
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BripTalls
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I was contemplating ways to optimize the route I decided to take with my own adaptation to this tek as well as others, ziran. I picked up some 6qt Sterilite 1642's that I wanted to throw in a solid color tote. I ended up finding one that fits 3 shoeboxes along the bottom, with lids on as well. I was able to come up with this arraignment of my trays in the picture that allowed me to fit 6 totes. There is a dub tub setup on the bottom and an uncovered shoebox at the top of each stack. I removed some in the picture so you could see it better.
I'm looking for advice and or suggestions as to how and if I can make this work. First of all, if you've dub tub'd with this tote or others you'll know that the lid is a bit finicky. Doesn't sit very well, but you can balance it and it should stay in place if you leave it and walk away. Adding 4+ quarts of a mix of spawn/substrate/mushies will definitely add some weight to that uncovered box on top making it even more sketchy to balance the dub tub lid. I'm contemplating double sided tape or drilling small holes in the lip of the seal for mini zip ties to secure the lid. Does anyone know of a better way to go about that? I'm trying to avoid the tubs crashing down and getting ruined. I'd be moving them quite frequently to mist this setup correctly i'd have to remove from FC and mist almost individually.
For the solid 30 gallon (fruiting chamber) tote I was wondering if I'd be restricting FAE too much trying to use it unmodified. I really don't want to expose extra light via drilling holes, but i'm worried with 6 totes there won't be enough FAE for them all to breathe. Holes aren't really an option, unless its in the shoeboxes or dub lids preferably. Would you guys modify some of the smaller tubs or do you think the FAE of the imperfect lid on the FC will be sufficient?
To add to this, for lighting, i'm using 6500k cool white LED strip lighting. This is as close as it gets to daylight for these LED strips. Specifically the strip i'm running uses the SMD 5050 LEDs. I've read good things about these eslewhere on the forums I'm quite sure. If using the 6 tote stacking method I'd light the fuck out of the sides down near the first layer of trays as well as the second, possibly the lid if I could make it easily removable or separate from the other strip. Any suggestions?
Last thing, I purchased a "iPower 10" x 20.5" Small Warm Hydroponic Seedling Heat Mat and 68-108°F Digital Thermostat Control Combo Set for Seed Germination" to keep my temps up. It can be 68-72F on average in my home during the colder months, very dry as well. I just want to be consistent around 75-78 so the mushrooms can thrive very easily without being exposed to cold. I'm guessing this mat has auto shut on/off, I don't really know. I was planning to lay this inside the tub, is that okay? Will it tank my humidity and evaporate the moisture quickly? I plan to remove the lid to mist (as needed) twice a day. I'd probably use a small layer of casing for the uncovered trays considering they'd probably be evaporating more quickly than the dub tubs.
If you read this far, you're a true legend. I sincerely thank you, and if you could answer at least one of these questions, I'd be grateful. I know this is quite a lot. Thanks guys!
PS: I know this can work with some dialing in. I'm just hoping to get some advice from people who've done something similar. This is my first grow and I don't have that experience. I'm trying to avoid losing trays my first run. I have 6lbs of grain that's about 15-20% colonized with B+ right now, i'm not quite sure I could even fill all these trays first run 1:1 at 4 quarts total.
Edited by BripTalls (03/05/18 05:58 PM)
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
#25041299 - 03/05/18 06:37 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spivkurl said: Well, I'm in. The PC cycle just finished. Did 4 - 1 1/2 pint jars.
I'll use three for G2G of a B+ pin to grain that just colonized. The other will probably take a clone from my latest B+ box, which has a great cluster getting going.
Here's what I've got my eye on. I would love a box of clusters like that!

What was the ratio you used to make them? Hows the moisture? Also, shake the jars with an oven mit after PCing then let them cool and continue to shake in periods. As long as you're carefully being sterile when inoculating you shouldn't have a problem. Let me know how they turn out.
You can use many different grains for this as long as you get the ratios down, I've done popcorn without a soak or simmer a while ago in a bag and the moisture level turned out great. However I can't remember the ratio I used. I gotta start writing down notes lol.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun]
#25041512 - 03/05/18 08:10 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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notes are great
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Spivkurl
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: grow4fun]
#25042253 - 03/06/18 07:06 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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grow4fun said: What was the ratio you used to make them? Hows the moisture? Also, shake the jars with an oven mit after PCing then let them cool and continue to shake in periods. As long as you're carefully being sterile when inoculating you shouldn't have a problem. Let me know how they turn out.
You can use many different grains for this as long as you get the ratios down, I've done popcorn without a soak or simmer a while ago in a bag and the moisture level turned out great. However I can't remember the ratio I used. I gotta start writing down notes lol.
Thanks for the tips. I used them as best I can, regarding the shaking and stuff.
I am happy with the results, aside from probably using a bit too much for the jar size. I dumped a bit of grain out in the SAB, since it was pretty much to the lid. We'll see how these things take, B+ and GT pin clone, plus a G2G from another B+ clone.
I used Hard wheat:Rye:filtered water, 1:3:4 ... so 75g wheat berries, 225g rye berries, and probably closer to 280g water. I'm not used to weighing water, and I'll probably be able to tune this in... probably the only reason I wouldn't is if it's all a complete failure.
Looking forward to watching it happen though.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
#25042552 - 03/06/18 10:06 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here is my pesa clone shoe box and a huatula clone 27qt mini mono that are probably 5 days or less from giving the goods.

These clones aren't flushing even though, there is all stages of mushroom life in these tubs.. how do i get more uniformity? Just keep taking the fastest biggest clone back to agar?
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