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Shroomymancer
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Steevo]
#25017921 - 02/24/18 08:19 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hopeless_Hound said: The ATL/PE6 coir jar is colonizing, I wonder how long it will go? Has anyone else seen something like this? Will the different mycelium colonize all the coir? Or will it randomly divide? I guess we’ll see it’d be awesome if it colonized fully and fruited mexicana/cubensis hybrids in the most noob way ever. However I’m 99.999999% that’s not he case. What I’m hoping is it will sprout different fruit bodies in the same jar! That seems viable, yet far fetched.
In other news 3 of the 6 grain clones have contracted what appears to be 2 asperigillus and one cobweb. However this is to be expected considering agar is the cleaning process anyways, the shroom tissue has completely fuzzed up and I could than take a portion of that and transfer to another grain jar. But besides that the other 3 are taking off, no doubt they will be completely colonized without bacteria. So those won’t even be cleaned . and if I clean the dirty jars I don’t even need agar just more grain! This is proof to me that agar is literally unnecessary, not for cloning, not for isolation, or achieving a clean culture. I just feel like most people are too jaded to admit it. And btw I’ve used agar, it’s fine but it’s a hassle to get it.
And you know what? I’m canceling my order of agar right now because of its unnecessary. Any questions feel free to ask.
Delusional much? Agar is unnecessary, a hassle and those that use it are jaded? 
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mushboy
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agar isnt necessary the same way a seatbelt isnt necessary to operate a car. ....but

doing successful grows without it isnt really proving much imo however i look forward to seeing Hhound rock some nice grows
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Hopeless_Hound
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25018099 - 02/24/18 09:55 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mush my point is I’m using grain like agar. Agar isn’t necessary because YOU CAN CLEAN CULTURES WITH GRAIN!!!!! It’s actually much less susceptible to mold spore growth than agar is. Please tell me what isn’t possible with my method, I can make transfers, hell I could isolate, clone. Etc. agar is unnecessary and for the work we are doing it. Tell me why do we use agar if you can do the same thing with grain?
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mushboy
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dont yell at me this is that tool belt shit cron was talking about but gone way way wrong.
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Hopeless_Hound
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 Clean clone transferred to grain. No further transfer necessary. I have 6 jars 2 with asperigillus, 1 with cobweb, and the rest clean. I’d they all got contamination I could simply transfer a clean portion into another grain jar until I have a clean culture. THE SAME EXACT WAY AGAR WORKS!!!! Man mushboy your my favorite member on the site. If there is a fallacy to my logic can you please explain? Cuz I feel like I’m getting a bunch of noobs who don’t understand the principles of agar who just parrot whatever the longest registered member is.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25018107 - 02/24/18 10:01 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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i can make clean lc with pf pucks/brf paste and a syringe.
but that doesnt mean im going to burn my agar or say is dogmatic or all that other cliché crap. id make a thread called. helpless hound doesnt need agar for isolation.
and post a shit load of badass pics and ask people to share results. and even then you catch lots of shit. and for good reason.
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mushboy
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25018120 - 02/24/18 10:05 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cuz I feel like I’m getting a bunch of noobs who don’t understand the principles of agar who just parrot whatever the longest registered member is.

ive been where you are mentally on different topics and so has lots of other people here. this isnt new or unique to your case.
its a clog on the shroomery honestly. make a journal? but dont call the community at whole a bunch of noobs. it wont end well. if you like me? then learn from me. cause i acted like a retard for all of shroomery to see. been there. done that.
notice how that thread is still going though. and i disagree with your stance like crazy cause ive tried what you are doing and it..
faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaailed.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25018144 - 02/24/18 10:14 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fair enough, I’ll keep this in my own thread.
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Hopeless_Hound
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But please tell me how it’s inferior? I genuinely want to know?
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Shroomymancer
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How can you say you are having clean transfers? I understand being able to see molds and the like but what about bacteria?
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Hopeless_Hound
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Bacterial mycelium looks different. Much much thicker and the growth isn’t circular and forms where straggly shapes.
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mushboy
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Hopeless_Hound said: But please tell me how it’s inferior? I genuinely want to know?
its inferior because multiple people who know more than you are telling you it is. and that should be enough for now.
if you disagree you better be ready to really have a solid as a rock argument. otherwise youll get chewed up.
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Hopeless_Hound
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Mushboy no disrespect but you haven’t tried what I’m doing to my understanding? Weren’t you asking how I transferred a clone to grain? That would suggest inexperience in this particular method.
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mushboy
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yes i have done that.
my asking was to double check before i gave the face palm and said wtf are you doing. cause thatd be rude if i did.
so i asked first.
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Hopeless_Hound
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25018178 - 02/24/18 10:25 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hopeless_Hound said: But please tell me how it’s inferior? I genuinely want to know?
its inferior because multiple people who know more than you are telling you it is. and that should be enough for now.
if you disagree you better be ready to really have a solid as a rock argument. otherwise youll get chewed up.
Excuse me? This is NOT how science works “well everyone else says it’s wrong(without giving ANY reasoning) so therefore it must be wrong. That is dogma right there. Anyone whose ever done what I’m doing care to chime in? Because right now everyone else is talking out of there ass with no experience with this method at all.
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Hopeless_Hound
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25018180 - 02/24/18 10:26 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushboy said: yes i have done that.
my asking was to double check before i gave the face palm and said wtf are you doing. cause thatd be rude if i did.
so i asked first.
What were your results?
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Steevo
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Hopeless I’d set up a thread like mushboy suggested so we don’t clog up his shoebox thread. People like to see results duplicated over and over again before they buy in to methods that they don’t fully understand. Making gross generalizations about people will get you the wrong attention that’ll be hard to shake
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#25018188 - 02/24/18 10:29 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushboy
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not how science works?? bro. your not talking to a scientist. your talking to someone giving you advice about how to push something everyone is going to call you out on.
and all you are doing is proving the point im trying to keep you away from. it doesnt matter if i think it will fail or not. i have to right to say i think it will. you have to right to keep trying it out. others have the right to laugh at you.
what you dont have the right to do, and neither did i, is get all huffy about something that stinks of personal drama. people want mushrooms here, not watch someone else run around in circles, posting a million miles an hour in every thread.
truuuuuuuuuuuuuust me. stop the, 'you vs the shroomery' or the world, or whoever else mentality. it fucking sucks.
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Mycolorado
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Quality Control. It’s way easier to see what you’re working with on agar and allows for more precise selection and transfer of desired material. If it’s working for you, by all means, continue, refine your technique and post a comparison against agar and why it’s a better/less inferior/superior method, but don’t post the same argument in 3 different threads that don’t pertain to the subject.
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