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Shroomymancer
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24988452 - 02/12/18 10:09 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mateja


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LtLurker said: Oh ok awesome, I see what I did. Confusing grains with any spawn. Thanks.
Myc on grains can be pretty beaten down especially after a good mix with the sharp coir. but the thin strandy BRF noodles have so large surface area that coir can´t do shit about it´s recovery.
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stareatclouds
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#24988658 - 02/12/18 12:16 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think any pictures or notes about sub depth and surface area mean anything unless you're running clones/isolates in the same fruiting conditions over and over. My amateur opinion is that both matter to an extent, but have diminishing returns. Like, a 2 foot sub depth isn't going to yield more weight than 3" and would probably be detrimental.
I definitely don't think mixing coir into a quart of spawn and fruiting from it will yield the same as a shoebox. I wonder if it's made up in later flushes? Anybody have info/studies on if it's easier for the network to move around nutrients/water or expend energy horizontally vs. vertically?
In general, I think there's a finite amount of energy the network will have to produce mushrooms, and if you're increasing fruiting area (such as fruiting on a rack in a GH), you're just using a bigger chunk of that energy/strength on the first flush, making subsequent ones weaker. And a larger surface area will often result in more mushrooms, but smaller ones, totaling the same weight as a different surface area.
Edited by stareatclouds (02/12/18 12:24 PM)
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Zero Nowhere
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How much boiling water does it take to properly hydrate 1 lb of coir? I know there's a thread for this bit I can't find it
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Sally Hatchet



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Zero Nowhere said: How much boiling water does it take to properly hydrate 1 lb of coir? I know there's a thread for this bit I can't find it
Look up “Bucket Tek” it will tell you I want to say 3 but I’m not 100% sure..
Edit: I read ‘1lb’ as 1 brick, disregard what I said
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Munchauzen


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a gallon of water per brick
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Zero Nowhere
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I'm not to great at math. A regular brick is 650. Mine is 455.
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mushboy
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Use 1.5-2qts of water?
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Zero Nowhere
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24989611 - 02/12/18 06:50 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you sir. I'll start with that?
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Mycolorado
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My math says 2.8 qts.
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Zero Nowhere
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Thanks brother
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Asura
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I have just one goddamn question
Will my sub retain enough moisture in a shoebox to make it to full colonization?
Or do I need to start misting before?
Those lids are fucking loose.
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Mateja


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura]
#24989693 - 02/12/18 07:20 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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if it looks dry you can mist lightly, no problem small substrates can dry out quickly, especially with loose lids.
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JHOVA
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#24989700 - 02/12/18 07:23 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Check it on day 4-5. Mist if it needs it but do not over mist as that causes the sub to become matted and impenetrable.
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Shrooms4life
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
#24989722 - 02/12/18 07:30 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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It seems that no matter how deep, how hydrated or how much I try I can't get a shoebox to not have side pins if I don't use a liner... I always feel like I'm over misting and starting on the wetter side of feild cap, but even then once I get one little side pin it pushes the tub out as it grows and creates the perfect micro climate for explosive side pins.
I've read the surface conditions tek and I do my best to keep the conditions as pictured and described with no luck everytime lol. I even tried a casing layer on this last shoebox to hopefully create a microclimate at the surface with just moist verm.
Hats off to you guys who can babysit your tubs 24 hours a day, but at this moment I can't be one of them I got a day job :/
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JHOVA
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Shoebox in a mono works great.
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Asura
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
#24989736 - 02/12/18 07:34 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Man, this my first grow in 3 years so I am a little nervous. A big part of me is thinking I should have put them in a mono. But fuck it. I want to try the "shoebox way". Anyway, just G2G'd 7 more back up jars if the shit hits the fan. And I'll G2G the 7th jar out of that batch until I dial it in.
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Shrooms4life
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura]
#24989773 - 02/12/18 07:48 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Asura said: Man, this my first grow in 3 years so I am a little nervous. A big part of me is thinking I should have put them in a mono. But fuck it. I want to try the "shoebox way". Anyway, just G2G'd 7 more back up jars if the shit hits the fan. And I'll G2G the 7th jar out of that batch until I dial it in.
Yeah lucky for me I have a good couple clones from agar into grain jars and some have been g2g also. I love shoeboxes don't get me wrong I've ran 9 of them at once now, but I think I wanna try a mini and a regular mono now Also! But I'll always be using shoeboxes to test clones or isolates!
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stareatclouds
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura]
#24989787 - 02/12/18 07:51 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Unless you have to leave your house for weeks at a time, I can't see your shoeboxes going to shit. Just take a look and if they're dry, mist them. Mine often get dry and I just mist them heavily and leave their lid off overnight. Cube myc is resilient.
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Zero Nowhere
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You say mist heavily. Could you describe that please?
Edited by Zero Nowhere (02/12/18 07:59 PM)
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