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mushboy
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Those are sexy aa+ nice shoebox
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Shrooms4life
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AA+ on CV with 1 quart of spawn totaling 262g wet. My old math estimates this at 1oz dry. I fruited in the shoebox until fruits neared the top, then moved it to a larger 16 quart shoebox. I'd also open air fruit after heavy misting. 18 days from spawn to harvest.
Damn those are beautiful! I just spawned one of my huatula clones I put into agar did 2 transfers and put to grains for g2g so I'm not finally spawning the clone and hoping all goes well since I've got 12 jars of its g2g colonizing.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy] 1
#24985164 - 02/11/18 08:12 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pins on my B+ BRF cake to CVG shoebox! Spawned 28 Jan.
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stareatclouds
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Shrooms4life said: Damn those are beautiful! I just spawned one of my huatula clones I put into agar did 2 transfers and put to grains for g2g so I'm not finally spawning the clone and hoping all goes well since I've got 12 jars of its g2g colonizing.
Right on, man. Good luck with them. Great looking pins, Spivkurl.
Anybody have a large enough sample size for average first flush yields with regular cubes and 1 quart of spawn in a small shoebox like mine? Whether MS or clone, I'm just curious.
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Shrooms4life
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I would guess and shoot for 1 dried ounce per quart of clean spawn. Idk if that's ms or clone/ isolate though.
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mushboy
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with a simple 1qt 1:1 25-30g dry is what i see. sometimes more. sometimes less.
aa+ gave me my worst shoebox flush was 12g dry and glt gave me my best at 33+
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stareatclouds
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24986605 - 02/11/18 04:30 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Interesting. Anybody regularly use more than 2 quarts of spawn?
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Mateja


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Idk if this helps Stare but I´m doing an experiment right now with small shoeboxes and very small substrates. Somehow I land exactly on the 30g dry no matter what size the substrate is. These small substrates are with 200ml WBS and 600ml coir inside 5L shoeboxes.
I´m at the end of my bacterial BRF cakes that I´ve been using as spawn so there is still no shortage of freaks in my tubs. Of course I have a delightful variety of cultures on agar right now that are getting cleaned up, but I´m not gonna sit on my hand until then 
These are the 8 shoeboxes I harvested an hour ago, so that´s 1.6L spawn that´s about two myco quart and I´m counting on easily reaching and maybe going over the 30g dry standard. I have actually gone over with most of the bacterial tubs so far.
   
   
So the total volume of each substrates is 800ml. They are no more than 2cm thick. Looks like this from profile:

With the previous 5 I harvested a few days ago averaged to exactly 30g. These boxes that I harvested today felt like at least 1kg so I´m assuming that I will end up with easily 60g when they dry up, I can update tomorrow when I weigh them. This is todays harvest from the 8 shoeboxes:

Edit for clarification, I´m using BRF cakes as slurry inoculant for WBS, not BRF cakes as spawn to bulk.
Looks like this
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Edited by Mateja (02/11/18 05:04 PM)
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Nikoyo
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#24987251 - 02/11/18 06:28 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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So ive had this tc clone ive been trying out. The last 4 shoeboxes ive tried it in gave me terrible result, so for shits and giggles I figured id try it in a small monotub. Harvested 2 zips of shorties from it before I left for the weekend, came home to these biggums.
 Not sure why it did terrible in shoeboxes, hell I tried different ratios every shoebox but ill take it
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stareatclouds
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Nikoyo]
#24987361 - 02/11/18 07:36 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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The second flush will almost always produce bigger fruits. It might've done better for any number of reasons; more spawn being likely, perhaps your shoeboxes weren't dialed in as well, etc. Nice fruits!
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Nikoyo
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stareatclouds said: The second flush will almost always produce bigger fruits. It might've done better for any number of reasons; more spawn being likely, perhaps your shoeboxes weren't dialed in as well, etc. Nice fruits!
Thanks bud, im glad I decided to give the clone another shot and not just toss it. Im thinking its a bit of all of it as I recently moved all my grows out of a bedroom and into a different location to conserve space.
 My girl always keeps the heat cranked so things were always hard to keep dialed in but since moving everything Ive been having much better results, plus im not getting bitched at for having tubs all over the house
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Nikoyo]
#24987651 - 02/11/18 09:54 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have done 2 boxs at a 1:1 with 3 quarts..filled to the top. Didnt produce any better than ones with 2 quarts. I usually get 30 out of a 1 quart box but can never get 60 out of a 2 quart..
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Mateja


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I believe that the substrate surface has something to say as well.
See Stares healthy AA+ grow produced 262g wet from first flush off of 1qt spawn from one shoebox. And I get ~130 wet from 200ml spawn from one shoebox, from bacterial spawn at that.
Not to mention that if those were my shrooms 262g wet would dry up to 16-17g dry. So that would make it an even more disappointing yield from 1qt spawn.
So I believe that If I would have spawned one of two qt per shoebox there is NO WAY in hell I would have gotten 130g wet per 200ml spawn on first flush 
Simply seems to me that smaller substrates produce more because you can create a larger fruiting surface area with the same amount of spawn.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#24987765 - 02/11/18 10:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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sorry but more surface area def does not equal more yield. thats an age old argument and is been disproven many times
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Got awesome friends(shroom sitter lol)

 Seriously I try for that level of organization every time and it’s always chaos... this is a thing of beauty... These were all pulled from 2 1 quart trays first flush
 These ones seemed to grow faster(maybe because they got more sunlight?) so they aren’t apart of the organization porn... this is how they were arraigned by me lol. For clarification, the ones in the below image are the same as the all the ones on the right side in the above image.
 Got 18 dry off the little early harvest, interested to see what the rest of the first flush dries to. Really seems that depth doesn’t matter much, sub depth def shrunk to below an inch and it seemed to give more room for fruit, very satisfied will be making further trays(after a couple more shoeboxes... what can I say mushboy must be putting crack in them cuz I just keep coming back)
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stareatclouds
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Variegated said: I have done 2 boxs at a 1:1 with 3 quarts..filled to the top. Didnt produce any better than ones with 2 quarts. I usually get 30 out of a 1 quart box but can never get 60 out of a 2 quart..
Do you notice better yields in the later flushes though?
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Variegated
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Variegated said: I have done 2 boxs at a 1:1 with 3 quarts..filled to the top. Didnt produce any better than ones with 2 quarts. I usually get 30 out of a 1 quart box but can never get 60 out of a 2 quart..
Do you notice better yields in the later flushes though?
I will be honest..im so impatient when it comes to harvest i dont even know. I do the whole grip and rip when i harvest. Looks like a dozer ran over the sub surface when im done. If i get 1.5 to 1.75 dry per box im happy and it gets tossed. If the set is thin i do better and do get better second flushes but usually the subs never make it that far. 2 quarts seems to be all i need. I only run single quarts when i got that single straggler jar i missed of a certain variety.
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Mateja


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Munchauzen said: sorry but more surface area def does not equal more yield. thats an age old argument and is been disproven many times
So no matter how many times you decrease the substrate volume and increase the cropping area proportionally, the yield ratio ALWAYS stays the same?
I mean there has to be some critical point where the substrate size and cropping area change the yield ratio for the better or for the worse? This is what interests me, how close to ideal yield are we with 1qt spawn 2qt coir inside 5-10L tubs? And I´m not satisfied with answers like: "it´s pretty close to ideal" I´m interested in numbers 
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Variegated said: I have done 2 boxs at a 1:1 with 3 quarts..filled to the top. Didnt produce any better than ones with 2 quarts. I usually get 30 out of a 1 quart box but can never get 60 out of a 2 quart..
This is interesting.. Have you noticed what volume gives you the best yield ratios?
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Edited by Mateja (02/12/18 07:16 AM)
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mushboy
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Munchauzen said: sorry but more surface area def does not equal more yield. thats an age old argument and is been disproven many times
I thought more surface area did equate to a larger potential pinset... and the proper amount of water available to drive those fruits was the factor.
I know sub depth can be irrelevant lots of times.. Just trying to get my shit straight.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja] 1
#24988224 - 02/12/18 07:52 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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These 8 shoeboxes contain exactly 1.6L spawn and they produced a total of 67g dry on the first flush. One can clearly see that this is bacterial spawn, and it´s pretty obvious that these flushes are about 20-50% full. (how much they fill the surface) And yet it produced slightly above 30g dry per quart of spawn.
Now.. If I was to spawn this same 1.6L bacterial spawn in only one shoebox, do you think I would be able to get 67g dry from that shoebox on first flush that is about 20-50% full? I honestly don´t think so 
So this is why I´m experimenting to discover the relationship between nutrient density, substrate mass and cropping surface. I believe that these three factors can be combined into an ideal. My goal is to figure out what that ideal is statistically with numbers.
Just imagine cramming all of these fruits from the 8 boxes into one box, that would be one hell of a first flush for bacterial spawn, full canopy nah, that would be like 1.5 full canopy...
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Edited by Mateja (02/12/18 07:56 AM)
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