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Zero Nowhere
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24977140 - 02/08/18 06:43 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have a 6 qt. sterilite with latches. Can that work unmodded? If so is a 1.5 inch substrate ok? Does straight ermiculite work as a casing. How deep? Just flip the lid at fruiting?
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mushboy
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yes. 1-2inch is fine. yes it does. 1/4inch at most. whatever works you can leave the lid on the entire time.
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Zero Nowhere
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24977147 - 02/08/18 06:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you brother. Hopefully I'm on track.
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Zero Nowhere
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24977195 - 02/08/18 07:13 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mushboy.. do I put the Verm on dry, then spray it down, or what?
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Zero Nowhere said: I have a 6 qt. sterilite with latches. Can that work unmodded? If so is a 1.5 inch substrate ok? Does straight vermiculite work as a casing. How deep? Just flip the lid at fruiting?
Harvested today. This substrate is not even an inch, maybe 2cm thick, 1:3 ratio. The shoebox volume is 5L and there is around 200ml WBS in this substrate. These shoeboxes are just for experimenting with substrate depth, so far it´s still producing above 30dry pet qt.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#24977281 - 02/08/18 07:49 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok. Thanks for the info bud. I got 3 pints of oats ms colonizing. I need a pretty stealth op right now. I figured this was the best approach to getting some pins to clone quickly. I'm tired of fn around with cakes.
Do you recommend casing with a shallow sub?
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This are BRF cakes inside 20L boxes
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#24977297 - 02/08/18 07:57 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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That looks awesome. That's uncased?
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Mateja


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I always do a top layer of coir especially with shoeboxes and with smaller substrates in general. Mainly to protect it from to fast evaporation. You can mist the shit out of it the first day of fruiting after applying it. After that you won´t have to mist much until first flush.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#24977312 - 02/08/18 08:05 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I see yours is set up with polyfill like a tub. I was hoping to avoid that. So you recommend casing with straight coir as opposed to verm?
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Mateja


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That tub would have fruited no different would it have been fruited inside a shoebox if you ask me 
But yes that was a 20L mono technically and not a shoebox, but just to prove a point about cakes..
No matter how you fruit your bulk substrate, if it´s inside an unmodified tub, or a Monotub or a shoe box. It will still be the same bulk substrate with roughly the same proportions when it comes to bulk substrate depth and so on. You can´t really expect too many different outcomes in different FC´s as long as the substrate enjoys being taken care of nicely.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#24977341 - 02/08/18 08:18 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok. Thanks bro. I'm just trying to get this right. I'm ready for some success. So the outcome should be good. It's gotta be better than a cake. Have you ever used straight Verm for a casing? Do you think that's a mistake, and I should just top with a 1/4" of coir? Thanks for your help brother. Do you top with coir at spawning?
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I add the top layer about 10 days after spawning, and that is when I usually up the FAE as well.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#24977370 - 02/08/18 08:31 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks mateah
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#24978120 - 02/09/18 07:40 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just a general FAE question in regards to shoeboxes...
I see a lot of differing recommendations about FAE, the main ones being;
1) Unmodified shoeboxes have imperfect lids, and allow plenty of FAE.
2) Fruiting conditions involve cracking the lids, or flipping them.
3) Dub-tubbing allows more FAE at fruiting.
4) Open air fruiting allow faster growth due to FAE.
It gets a bit confusing to someone like me, who is still new to cultivation.
If I consider that #1 is true, then fruiting conditions for a shoebox simply involves adding a light cycle.
So, if this is the case, then the different reports regard #2-4 would be unrelated to fruiting conditions or FAE (since the box allows FAE to begin with). This suggests relation to many other factors, such as hydration of the substrate, misting routing (before, during, and after pinning), heat and humidity in the fruiting area, proximity to light source, etc...
Does this seem like a decent assumption?
I guess my real question comes down to the idea of putting a shoebox "straight into fruiting conditions." With a shoebox, wouldn't the only way to avoid this be to starve of light and FAE? Along the lines of bagging the box, or putting it in an unmodified opaque tote?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
#24978233 - 02/09/18 09:08 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pick one and try it. Then pick another method and try that. I have successfully fruited shit in near open air with the lid off and dub tub.
Theres 10 ways to skin a cat and a few of those methods will work really well for you and your unique circumstances. Try every method for yourself.
For you and anyone else reading this tek...... READ THE TEK. From start to finish. take notes. There is tons of information relevant to your situation inside this tek waiting to be absorbed.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
#24978242 - 02/09/18 09:10 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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JHOVA said: I have successfully fruited shit .
Do tell
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
#24978248 - 02/09/18 09:14 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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JHOVA said: Pick one and try it. Then pick another method and try that. I have successfully fruited shit in near open air with the lid off and dub tub.
Theres 10 ways to skin a cat and a few of those methods will work really well for you and your unique circumstances. Try every method for yourself.
For you and anyone else reading this tek...... READ THE TEK. From start to finish. take notes. There is tons of information relevant to your situation inside this tek waiting to be absorbed.

i was on the shitter trying to respond and i couldnt. thanks jhova
but that really sums it all up. if its your first 'spawning to bulk' style grow? just leave the lid on 24/7.12/12 light. watch nature work.
once you know whats going on, thats when you can 'tune' the instrument but ya gotta learn to play first
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24978255 - 02/09/18 09:17 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mush cult is a metaphorically laden hobby. And I love it.
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