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Zachsonpub
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Shroomymancer said: Mycelium trees?

Would there really be a way of detecting this if there were a casing on top?
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Shroomymancer said: Mycelium trees?

Would there really be a way of detecting this if there were a casing on top?
I doubt it seeing as you wouldn't see the mycellium anymore.
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It would eventually colonize the top layer, but the traits of the myc might change after they start to colonize the top layer, if that makes any sense.
In colonizing the top layer the colony will also come across ideal conditions for producing pins.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Doc9151]
#24961296 - 02/02/18 06:41 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said: They need some light, but that's not what matters. They don't use photosynthesis like leafy plants, less than a few seconds is actually enough to initiate fruiting. Whether it's from the top or sides doesn t matter as long as they get it, especially cubes. I've had them fruit in drawers on plates I'd forgotten.
Edit: If you read psilocybe fanaticus court case that he posted online before his death ( may he rest in peace), you will see the testing performed by the DEA's lab. You will see in their controlled test they proved Psilocybe cubensis only needs a few milliseconds of light to initiate fruiting. That's all the light is for, to tell it to fruit. They grew them in darkened cabinets, with controlled burst of light. They also scientifically proved at what stage of growth active indoles are produced. That's why spores are legal in all but 3 states.
I just watched Paul Stamets interview on Joe Rogan's podcast. According to Paul, a culture will not produce psilocybin until its been exposed to light.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: CultiCat]
#24961335 - 02/02/18 07:20 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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CultiCat said:
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Doc9151 said: They need some light, but that's not what matters. They don't use photosynthesis like leafy plants, less than a few seconds is actually enough to initiate fruiting. Whether it's from the top or sides doesn t matter as long as they get it, especially cubes. I've had them fruit in drawers on plates I'd forgotten.
Edit: If you read psilocybe fanaticus court case that he posted online before his death ( may he rest in peace), you will see the testing performed by the DEA's lab. You will see in their controlled test they proved Psilocybe cubensis only needs a few milliseconds of light to initiate fruiting. That's all the light is for, to tell it to fruit. They grew them in darkened cabinets, with controlled burst of light. They also scientifically proved at what stage of growth active indoles are produced. That's why spores are legal in all but 3 states.
I just watched Paul Stamets interview on Joe Rogan's podcast. According to Paul, a culture will not produce psilocybin until its been exposed to light.
Hmm that's interesting but Its stamments so who knows.
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indeed.
thats for another thread too. p stam got nothin to do with shoeboxes
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24961507 - 02/02/18 09:34 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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going to start a couple mini dubs soon i spend two bucks on two tubs its great
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24961535 - 02/02/18 09:58 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushboy said: those look really good.
let em do there thing. they should explode with pins real soon. back off on the misting though.. they look sliiiiiiightly wet.
I'm thinking that increasing FAE and backing off on misting frequency was a poor combination of things to do in this case, but I think the boxes are getting back on track. I relocated my fruiting area to lower the temp and "air flow" a bit, since the subs started drying out too fast (especially the ones without a top layer). I gave a short bottom water for the ones that were too dry, since the first couple of top pins aborted. Closed the lids for a couple of days, and now I'm trying one as a dubtub. Pins are coming in stronger now...
Strangely enough, the most respectable growth is coming from the 1:4 box, which only had a 12oz jar of spawn but had a top layer.

Here's a blurry pic (sorry) of the largest shroom so far, a side pin which pushed it's way up fast.

The other oldest boxes got too dry, but are beginning to show a better flush of tiny primordia.
The three newer boxes (Two GWM 1:2 and the B+ PF cakes 1:1) and have been left closed, and are around 100% now, hoping to see pins soon. All of these got a top layer, and I have a better feeling about keeping surface conditions correct on those.
The battle with the Minnesota furnace heat has been my biggest struggle, and I'm hoping that moving the fruiting area will help.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
#24961550 - 02/02/18 10:13 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Starting to see come friendos. Tried a few different ratios. The 1:1 boxes are consolidating much faster than the 2:2 ones.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Pge405]
#24961577 - 02/02/18 10:35 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Day 10 since spawning brf cakes to coir/verm. Thinking I will leave the lid on until my days off (work 16 hour shifts for the next four days) since I won't be around to mist it much. Do you guys mist it if knots have formed or do you normally wait until it's legitimately fruiting? Is there any downside to just leaving the lid on when pins start forming?
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Afraid to learn something new Mushboy?
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Edited by CultiCat (02/02/18 11:05 AM)
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: CultiCat]
#24961693 - 02/02/18 11:32 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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CultiCat said: Afraid to learn something new Mushboy?
Mushboys right, this isn't the right thread for this and you just repeated what I said in my first sentence " They need some light but thats not what matters".
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Doc9151]
#24961710 - 02/02/18 11:42 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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PE and LGT clone tests and first run of CRS ms. 1qt of spawn each to CVG and planning on casing these 3 with 50/50+ once they’re ready
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Pge405] 1
#24961845 - 02/02/18 12:28 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pge405 said: The 1:1 boxes are consolidating much faster than the 2:2 ones.
Isn´t 1:1 and 2:2 the same ratio? hehe
Did you have 2 qt spawn in one tub and 1qt spawn in the other and both at 1:1 ratio?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#24961976 - 02/02/18 01:37 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mateah said:
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Pge405 said: The 1:1 boxes are consolidating much faster than the 2:2 ones.
Isn´t 1:1 and 2:2 the same ratio? hehe
Did you have 2 qt spawn in one tub and 1qt spawn in the other and both at 1:1 ratio?
Lol I was thinking the same thing! It's just a 1:1 ratio, and it makes sense a smaller amount of sub would colonize faster
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But the smaller amount of sub is still a 1:1 ratio right? Nothing has changed between that and the 2:2 Still the same ratio 6 of one, half dozen of another
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja] 1
#24962055 - 02/02/18 02:22 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mateah said:
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Pge405 said: The 1:1 boxes are consolidating much faster than the 2:2 ones.
Isn´t 1:1 and 2:2 the same ratio? hehe
Did you have 2 qt spawn in one tub and 1qt spawn in the other and both at 1:1 ratio?
Well played. ha.. I guess I meant 1 quart : 1 coir and 2 quarts : 2 coir
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Pge405]
#24963367 - 02/03/18 02:30 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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My new shoe boxes are shrinking quite a bit before first flush, should I bottom water now or should I wait for it to start knotting first or can I still get away with shrinking on the first flush?
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OriginalGinger said: My new shoe boxes are shrinking quite a bit before first flush, should I bottom water now or should I wait for it to start knotting first or can I still get away with shrinking on the first flush?
I had this problem when increasing FAE for my first couple of boxes, without top layers. In my case the forced air heating in my house was a big culprit.
I'm not a TC or anything, just a beginner. I did choose to bottom water a couple of boxes, since a few early fruits aborted when it got really dry and new pins weren't being produced. Since then, the pins are coming in stronger.
I did make other changes, like keeping the boxes further from heat sources. I've also been leaving the lids closed more, or dub tubbing on one box.
It's an interesting experience getting to know what these mushrooms like!
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
#24963548 - 02/03/18 06:30 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for sharing your experience, I don't have a heat source but I'm in South Africa with temps over 91farenheit in my grow room every day late afternoons when the sun cooks the walls.
I think I'll be bottom watering for the first flush then...
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