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Shroomymancer
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JFlint]
#24907036 - 01/12/18 04:29 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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Shroomymancer said: Oh I forgot to mention I did both WBS and rye berry. I like the rye berry better but in all cases the WBS fruited earlier (also had more bacterial tho). Up next is Oats 
Thanks To Mush and madhattery420, and a few others in here with weird nicks I can't recall. You guys sharing info really allowed me to follow along. I'm a good copy cat 
Hell yeah. Ditto! I’ve been doing oats. Really awesome grain to work with and cheap too. They’re really hard to fuck up. God though I hate the smell of them in the PC. They fill my house with this cloying sweet cereal odor. I think making jars would be on the last of my things to do out of boredom. Haha.
Hey man what do you do for your second flush? Do you dunk? Mist heavily? Any structured regime you follow? Really not getting much of a second flush on any of my stuff and the surface is very battered, stumpy, and bruised/matted.
The shoe boxes are easy to just fill with water and set to the side for an hour (although I have forgotten them for twice that time). I don't weigh them down, just dunk them a few times. I've noticed when pouring about a shot glass of water on the side of a dried substrate that it stops drinking it up after about an hour or two, so I applied that time to dunking as well. For my unmodded I learned the hard way that it is to hard to dump out the excess water (substrate folded in half and broken when I was trying to hold it) so I will be misting heavily for those from now on. Then right back into fruiting with lid on or dubbed. Some heavy misting the next few days if it looks like it needed it. Majority started pinning again within a week.
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Shroomymancer
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OriginalGinger said: Never had trich but I've cleaned out cobweb mold containers with just bleach/Handy Andy, then just bleach again, then water. then alcohol rubdown before using again.
Dump outside, spray heavily with alcohol, bottle I mix at 70%ish, and clean out before I bring back inside. usually soapy water and a bit of bleach at the sink and continuously washing down the drain.
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JFlint

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The shoe boxes are easy to just fill with water and set to the side for an hour (although I have forgotten them for twice that time). I don't weigh them down, just dunk them a few times. I've noticed when pouring about a shot glass of water on the side of a dried substrate that it stops drinking it up after about an hour or two, so I applied that time to dunking as well. For my unmodded I learned the hard way that it is to hard to dump out the excess water (substrate folded in half and broken when I was trying to hold it) so I will be misting heavily for those from now on. Then right back into fruiting with lid on or dubbed. Some heavy misting the next few days if it looks like it needed it. Majority started pinning again within a week.
Do you keep surface glistening while second flush pinset develops? I find my subs do t bead water anymore after being abused by harvest, dunk, etc.
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Shroomymancer
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JFlint]
#24907162 - 01/12/18 06:34 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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Do you keep surface glistening while second flush pinset develops? I find my subs do t bead water anymore after being abused by harvest, dunk, etc.
I pretty much ignored my second flushes. I misted maybe 2-3 squirts when I thought about it. Hard to say exactly. A couple of them I didn't think about at all until I noticed fat pins in them. They go on the bottom shelf so they became second class bins . I think i did the right thing leaving them alone. That alcatraz box I set up had a nice second flush substrate in it fruiting.
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ManifoldPrime said: Whats your cleaning procedure for tammed out boxes? specifically sporulating contams?
Throwing the boxes out isnt economically viable for me. Marking the tammed out boxes, once cleaned, to only use for top tubs for dubbing may be a good compromise.
Getting contams isnt part of the procedure.
Anywayz i take my dirty totes to the shower. Scrub brush + dish soap.
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Re: Making shoeboxes *DELETED* [Re: mushboy]
#24907276 - 01/12/18 07:46 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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JFlint

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Sally Hatchet said: Not to hijack this by any means
After initially mixing the spawn and sub do you expose to a 12/12 light schedule? (before/during colonization) also do you start misting before it colonizes the sub, or after the sub is fully colonized? Can't seem to find a straight answer. (but then again I'm probably asking a dumbass question )
I think the common answer here is either. You can fruit at spawning, or wait until nearly/fully colonized. And misting shouldn’t be done on a schedule or at any specific time, but rather as the surface begins to dry out. Not too early, not too late. I found following a schedule for misting was making me way over saturate my shit and my growth was stunted.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JFlint]
#24907300 - 01/12/18 07:59 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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Do whatever you want.
I do 12/12 lights for everything.
Almost everything else is for you to figure out
But in a nut shell, fruit at spawning, mist when needed.
Most sterlite bins are not even close to air tight so most people fruit at spawning and just dont realize it.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24907303 - 01/12/18 08:00 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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I love how the term "tam out" has been adopted by the OMC, at least here on the Shroomery. It sounds cool af and it saves you from typing the whole thing, "contaminated".
Let us not forget the glorious origin of that term. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24213727#24213727 A stroke of genius.
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HighKing
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Josex] 1
#24907322 - 01/12/18 08:12 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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After trial and error I have some nice shoeboxes going! Was having an issue with tams figured out I needed to PC my coir, not just bucket tek it. Been fruiting these babes since the 5th.

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Shrooms4life
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Josex]
#24907332 - 01/12/18 08:16 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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Mushboy i noticed last night my tray had a small crystalline patch in the top corner so u took closer inspection and saw some of the green devil and tossed her into the trash.. one flush wounder I guess.. How long are you guys normally taking to see any signs of bacteria or anything in a agar petris with ms syringe like 1 or 2 drops per dish? I poured some agar in my sab like 5 days ago and still have yet to see anything growing good or bad, And my sbs have either had the lids flipper or ajar all the time I'm home but still haven't even pulled the airial mycellium back to knot up for any pins.. I'm thinking maybe they all had bad spawn with bacteria they are trying to get away from and causing all the crazy wispy mycellium strands.
I really just wanna get this agar stuff down asap and keep practicing my oats and cvg prep... I'm pretty sure all this bacterial spawn and iffy sub is cause it's not my own and I can't guarantee it's health (pre made spawn and sub from a vendor) so once agar is moving along I have 100 pounds of oats and 10 bricks of coir to trial and error till I get it right!
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ManifoldPrime
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Josex]
#24907345 - 01/12/18 08:23 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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Josex said: I love how the term "tam out" has been adopted by the OMC, at least here on the Shroomery. It sounds cool af and it saves you from typing the whole thing, "contaminated".
Yeah , I remember that thread lol.
What do you mean by OMC?
FYI, when I first started lurking I hated looking up acronyms and jargon, I literally had to look up 'WBS' 2 or 3 times. 
But now my time is more valuable than clarity of communication I guess
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: HighKing]
#24907446 - 01/12/18 09:08 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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HighKing said: After trial and error I have some nice shoeboxes going! Was having an issue with tams figured out I needed to PC my coir, not just bucket tek it. Been fruiting these babes since the 5th.


I was gonna do bucket tek today, Ive been pasturizing in jars but i need to do bulk...any one else confirm bucket tek leaves contams?
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Shrooms4life
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Xclozure]
#24907455 - 01/12/18 09:11 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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HighKing said: After trial and error I have some nice shoeboxes going! Was having an issue with tams figured out I needed to PC my coir, not just bucket tek it. Been fruiting these babes since the 5th.


I was gonna do bucket tek today, Ive been pasturizing in jars but i need to do bulk...any one else confirm bucket tek leaves contams?
I'm going to stick with the people with more street cred to say on these forums that bucket tek works just fine and it was most likely due to his dirty spawn.. go look at a post bod made with letting his buket tek coir and clean spawn go for like 75+ days with no contams and still pushing fruits, with that tub no offense but you can't say your spawn was clean.
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HighKing
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No my spawn is clean, I'm pretty sure it was the ecoearth coir I got from my local pet store. Plus it doesn't hurt anything to be extra sterile. To each his own
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: HighKing]
#24907508 - 01/12/18 09:37 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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HighKing said: After trial and error I have some nice shoeboxes going! Was having an issue with tams figured out I needed to PC my coir, not just bucket tek it. Been fruiting these babes since the 5th.


The bubbled up mycelium indicates bacterial contamination, which would have come from your SPAWN. It is not your coir, but your spawn that your using. All the signs are right there.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: HighKing]
#24907517 - 01/12/18 09:40 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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HighKing said: No my spawn is clean, I'm pretty sure it was the ecoearth coir I got from my local pet store. Plus it doesn't hurt anything to be extra sterile. To each his own 
I use eco earth and used to blame it. I am now making all my stuff in front of a flow hood, still using eco earth and producing this. It IS you SPAWN, I can tell from your tubs.
I produced this.

Off of this, look at my surface compared to yours. Yours is all bubbled up from mycelium fighting bacteria.

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ALSO IF you make your sub to might it allows contamination to flourish, specially bacteria.
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HighKing said: After trial and error I have some nice shoeboxes going! Was having an issue with tams figured out I needed to PC my coir, not just bucket tek it. Been fruiting these babes since the 5th.


The bubbled up mycelium indicates bacterial contamination, which would have come from your SPAWN. It is not your coir, but your spawn that your using. All the signs are right there.
^^^^ exactly and I'm a beginner and could see that man, your throwing pins before you even had full colonization... how are you so certain of your spawn? Smell and looks really don't prove much these days, agar is the way to go and even then you have to do multiple transfers to make sure you have healthy clean growth.. trust me I've been making the same mistake and I'm now waiting for my plates to germinate before I even touch grains again.
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TheMadHatter420
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There is a bacteria that is also hard as fuck to see on agar. It doesn't really fuck with the mycelium to bad, but it can be present on what would look like a clean plate. Some straight up ninja shit.
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Hmm, well idk then...cause all of my jars are agar to grain, after multiple transfers on agar. They smell good and look good....so that's why I said my spawn was ok.. Trial and error. At least it's a step in the right direction. I'll take bacteria over trich any day.  Thanks for the input
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