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Shrooms4life
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TheMadHatter420 said: I am not sure, a pic is needed. I have had a HARD time with conditions once I let the top dry and mycelium matted up.
I'll have to take a new pic when I get home in like 7 hours :/ this morning I heavily misted and put the dome back on and stuffed the poly tighter and also closed up the top vents some. Ima need to really figure out how to dial in my GH once all the shoeboxes are in it cause I don't want them drying out 5 days a week atleast:/ I'm running a little Wal-Mart humidifier in the bottom of the gh like inside the plastic tarp I was thinking was providing extra fae because with the blower/fan on the humidifier and a small enclosed space there would be moving air pretty much all the time but do you think that could also help to dry out my subs? Rh is 90-99%
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TheMadHatter420
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They need fresh air, not recirculated air. If you over saturate the sub it will just pool water so don't mist to much at one time, just enough.
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Shroomymancer
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I'm trying to relearn what is actually detrimental to good growth and yields by hearing what everyone else is doing. Heavily misting fruits directly is news to me but makes sense given what they go through outdoors with all the FAE in the world and rain etc.
I have a shoe box right now that is wide open and also has the matted top layer. Water doesn't bead up well and is more of a shiny oil slick sheen to it with bruising. It appears that light misting after being FAE for half a day immediately bruised the mycelium. I literally saw it react by shrinking back like acetone on styrofoam (dramatic example). An hour later the blue hue was clearly visible.

Coincidentally the sb's that have this issue did not recieve a top layer when spawned to sub. The ones that did are fine. I'm talking about 5-6 sb's with and 4-5 sb's without. All of them received misting 2-4 times a day as needed when checked. Additionally, the sb's without top layer had a smaller ratio like 1:1 or 1:1.5 and are worse.
Top layer
 no top layer and showing signs of stalling/lack of knotting
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Shroomymancer
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TheBlackCat said: The miracle of tiny life. Knots, primordia and pins. Ignore the shiny parts. I accidentally dried the mycelium out a little but conditions are better now.



You didn't let it dry out accidentally, on the contrary, you just didn't leave it in peace with so much misting, so Mr. myc says 'nuff is nuff' and that's the shitty appereance it takes as a way of telling you to go mist yourself down there. Now it won't form those nice beads on the surface and it'll dry out way faster.
Jesus, the Fuck and the Christ, I can't stand this fake surface conditions trend. So what's happening? Now the myc all of a sudden lost its ability to maintain proper surface conditions by itself? Is it not enough for y'all to see pic after pic of matted myc looking like shit because of so much misting? Why couldn't you just shut the lid and leave the holes do their work? Or flip the lid if unmodified? Let nature do its thing.
Sorry TBC, nothing to do with you, you are just the straw that broke the camel's back. I can't take it anymore, I can't...

Lmao! I just found this in the cultivation picture thread. Thought my post is deserving of it's response for others to read
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Shroomymancer
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Another cross post connected with this topic here. Enough said I think
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24891383#24891383
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mushboy
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like i ranted about.. the shoebox is a tool. its a way to learn. do not let it become a static way of growing because that isnt what shoeboxes are for me.
so the theme and overall attitude of the thread may change overtime. i hope people dont feel left out or whatever. but play with the shoebox, learn from the shoebox. replicate on a larger scale with minis and monos. thats what a shoebox is for imo.
i really liked what josex and bosley said both have valid points. babysitting totes isnt growing mushrooms.
unless its open air. then you have to babysit and then you get your scouts honor badge saying you did. so other people will think you are cool.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy] 1
#24891457 - 01/05/18 09:05 AM (6 years, 25 days ago) |
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LAME FOOD ANALOGY-
if you are making turkeys or whatever, and each turkey you make you notice are too dry. so you start to baste your turkeys(misting) while they roast. now you turkeys are not as dry.
yum yum!!
but wait.. turkeys dont always need to be basted. have you tried a brine?
equate the brine to adjusting the moisture content in your bucket/sub. DO something. ADJUST something precooking so you dont baste every 30min like a grandma in the 50s(and its still dry)
might be a wonky stretch but its my thread.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy] 1
#24891466 - 01/05/18 09:17 AM (6 years, 25 days ago) |
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Your right on brother. These shoeboxes really are helping me to understand what surface conditions SHOULD be like. I need to know what the goal is to be able to dial mono tubs in. Like I said one before, Shoeboxes- an introduction to bulk method. A great place to start learning about bulk.
I am running shoeboxes and monos side by side right now. The shoeboxes need more care, BUT I do have a 120CFM fan, almost constantly forcing heat, from the furnace, into my grow area. It keeps it about mid 70's but I have to leave it on most of the time, unless day time temps climb, then I unplug it. But this leaves me with moving dry air almost all day.
I also have close to 5QT total in a 6QT container. Having my sub surface this close to the lid may be allowing more drying. The lids just don't seal up as well as the mono tubs, but that is OK! It is not that much worse and I could get away with a couple misting's a day. I don't mist unless it looks dry or pins are staring to come in. I don't want to risk surface dryness causing a fuck ton of aborts. I used comebackkids surface conditions guide and it has really helped me out. One must learn to walk before one can run.
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Shroomymancer
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24891471 - 01/05/18 09:20 AM (6 years, 25 days ago) |
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I dump German beer over my turkeys. Man oh man!
Well said Mush. I'm only on my second batch of sb's so still learning allot from them.
Edit: To clarify for other readers learning from this sub. I started straight out with shoe boxes. No small jars or cakes. Glad I did it too.
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mushboy
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i really like CBKs thread but i know myself and others have got lost in the sauce with surface conditions.
all the misting and monitoring is really a problem you should not be having(and i doubt thats cbks intention). bod says 'dial in the substrate'. its a facepalming 'no shit?!' that some people completely seem to ignore. i did nobody perfect just dont be static, always evolve.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24891482 - 01/05/18 09:26 AM (6 years, 25 days ago) |
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fucking great info here guys.
thank you.
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy] 1
#24891487 - 01/05/18 09:29 AM (6 years, 25 days ago) |
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I used shoeboxes and learned to get this.



I was able to reproduce these results on this 64QT mono tub running with it currently. All these pics I just took for this.


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Shroomymancer
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The surface of that 64q looks perfect! I feel like a serial copy cat here right now. Literally trying my best to mimic your guys results.

Also applying Shoe box knowledge on a 64q unmodded.

 I'm a few days behind you though. Keep posting so I can keep copying
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TheMadHatter420
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 Nice job there!
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Shrooms4life
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Maybe I'm just over thinking it but I don't see what else I can really do if I can't be arround to mist when needed. I think it's just the smaller subs dry out faster period. Maybe I'll try casing vs not casing but I gotta do somthing to keep it moist while I'm working, once im home I check em every 30 mins to an hour but those 6-10 hours I'm working my sub wants to shit all over me.
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TheMadHatter420
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I only have issues with surface drying, and well that's where pins form. I slipped up on a couples surface conditions and got some side pins again, but they still yielded just fine as I had a bunch on top as well. I am curious is a thinner sub will help me. Perhaps the way I am making them puts the surface to close to where the air comes in.
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Pins can form on a dry surface if its humid. Like petri dishes, in vitro grows.
The chamber is still humid enough. Yall acting like its the Sahara desert just because the mist beads are gone after a few hours. Big fucking deal that's a pinning trigger lol.
Even in my 10-20% rh room i get pins inside of my tubs and sometimes the surface gets dry. Sometimes it stays dry for days at a time.
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Shroomymancer
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Yeah, easy to be relaxed when you have 100,000 grows under your belt. I'm still learning too ease up on the micromanagement . I'm way to excited about about my little successes so that leads to detrimental worrying about perfect conditions for no good reason. I'm getting there bod, many thanks to your write ups.
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mushboy
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dont be so hard on yourself mang. let other people on shroomery do that for you learning to ignore the micromanagement is how i learned to grow with with little effort. like i had to learn it all just so i could unlearn it and grow.
fucking human limitations. just pay attention to whats happening and always try to improve your own theories/practices. its your grow and its always growing 
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Shrooms4life
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bodhisatta said: Pins can form on a dry surface if its humid. Like petri dishes, in vitro grows.
The chamber is still humid enough. Yall acting like its the Sahara desert just because the mist beads are gone after a few hours. Big fucking deal that's a pinning trigger lol.
Even in my 10-20% rh room i get pins inside of my tubs and sometimes the surface gets dry. Sometimes it stays dry for days at a time.
Yeah bod but you know what to look for and how much you can push your limits ect... I mist right before I'm about to leave for work, close up my GH, and when I get home my sub looks sad and bruised up so It makes me sad too
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