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hha..froopyland creatures.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24875630 - 12/29/17 08:35 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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and any good parents will tell you that YOUR children, in the end? will help you grow as a person even more.
time to put on your big boy panties and grow some fucking shrooms the right way. no gimmicks. no wacky bullshit. just clean, colonized grains, mixed with heated dirt(basically) dumped into some plastic bins. flip the lid day one. walk away.
you want to live forever? you want to change your life and the world around you? it starts with what the man would label as, mold mixed with dirt in storage bins. its a mushroom factory.!!!
you damn right it is.
 for me. its mine. my own personal endless supply of the one of the worlds most hated chemical.
suck my balls
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24875650 - 12/29/17 08:46 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: Spawn colonized grains? To coco? And just have it sit out?
Sure you can. Most people do that. It only contams if the spawn is dirty(generally).
if that were the case, like many like to claim(when its because they've never tried..or cant) then all my shit would contaminate.
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Shrooms4life said: Mushboy I believe he's thinking that you can spawn grains to sub in open air conditions and just let it open air fruit from spawning to colonization which will just lead to trich.
not to single you out, dont take this personally... but this right here.. with cubes at least? is a HUGE misconception. your shit(the royal you)contamintes because the spawn is dirty. its as simple as that. the air is not going to kill your grow.
really think about that concept. if the lid, which is not air tight or perfect fitting or sterile or anything, is placed on the tote/tray ...lined up with pre fabricated ridges.. how in the world is that a deterrent to what the perceived threat is? the perceived threat is an illusion. it is an illusion because the second you pop that spawn jar open, the 'threat' is as up front and intense as its going to be. open a uncolonized jar open air and it molds.
open a colonized jar in open air... and its fine. if your spawn is clean and healthy, which may take time to perfect, those threats or contams or whatever melt away. it becomes a non issue. most noobs would panic if they took lids off and left em off. it would remind me of someone taking a gas mask off when all the world tells them the air around you is toxic.
its a wacky misconception that any, ANY person whos done any real growth as a cultivator, can shrug right the fuck off. people spend a HUGE amount of wasted time and money on dumb shit. and childish approaches to get around a none existent threat.
some people have made a name for themselves conquering this imaginary foe...or people guise it as a vector. thats caveman shit
Ok well you have much more hands on experience then I and far more knowledge on growing then I so I believe you and I'll stop spreading the misconception (I didn't know any better)
But from my own experience when I first took my colonized grains that looked super healthy and spawned them into my sub in open air (literally sitting at the desk in my room) and I noticed it was taking a long time to colonize the bulk sub (24 days) and I was seeing lots of metabolites and yellow water. Within a week of me putting it into fruiting i had a spot of green trich and only managed to pull a small flush out of it.
Ever since then with me using the same grains and ms syringe and sub I've been having no contams or metabolites forming in my colonizing subs and I do all my spawning in a SAB and then put plastic wrap over the top of the substrate till it's full white then I'll fruit. Maybe it's cause I have more ingredients in my sub to grow bacteria?
I'm not 100% sure I just always felt it was risky to have colonized and uncolonized sub together in open air environments cause the mycellium doesn't have a foothold on the substrate yet to fight off contams.
Also mushboy can u take a look at this tub and tell me how it's Looking? I've been following the "proper surface moisture tek" but this is my first attempt at a mini mono so I just wanna be sure. I also haven't needed to mist or do anything with this tub since introducing fruiting a few days ago.
Thanks- Shrooms4Life
 
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If your using coir it won't get infected anywaya, contain is almost always spawn, I've read verticillium hides in the substrate but I've had no issues since I started pressure cooking my coir. You can usually tell which jar contaminated is hiding in by the iffy look, but sometimes comtam hides in clean spawn, I've literally spawned a tub in my bathroom after taking a shit and not washing my hands(no judgement, ran out of soap and they grow in shit anyways) if you have clean spawn it doesn't matter, it will fight off any foreign spores trying to grow on its surface, uncolonized grain is the issue. After opening a jar it's exposed and there's really not much point in being super sterile unless you have like a vert issue(which will parasatize pins).
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well. again. not to be rude. but you build your own chamber. so you are the more knowledgeable one. i cant really help you
my recommendations come from established teks that work 100% of the time when followed. but what you described is what happens to me when i follow the 'methods' of fruiting you see people attempt everywhere. which suck imo.
but ill say the surface looks decent and should of pinned by now. i do fruit at spawning. so i get pins in 8-12 days max.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24875669 - 12/29/17 08:57 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its water logged. Pic 1 is drenched. You can either learn to mist properly or case it and forget about until harvest.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24875670 - 12/29/17 08:58 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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JHOVA said: Its water logged. Pic 1 is drenched.
or that. give her more AIR!!!! evaporation!! not humidty folks.
also, the only step that needs to be sterile or clean is inside the SAB. and in reality its seconds. its fractions of seconds. we are human beings. we can conquer fractions of seconds. its how we evolved. one second at a time.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
#24875692 - 12/29/17 09:11 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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JHOVA said: Its water logged. Pic 1 is drenched. You can either learn to mist properly or case it and forget about until harvest.
I swear everyone goes back and forth on this site lol..from the surface conditions thread I posted in people said it looked phenomenal and that my tub I made looked fantastic also.
The thing is getting stupid amounts of FAE from 6 holes, the 1st picture is taking from the outside of a plastic humidity dome that has tons of condensation all over it and the sub has small beads of water on top and no standing pools like is described in everything I've read that I'm looking to obtain.
And mushboy I'm not doing anything that I haven't seen done already with great results so I'm pretty sure you could give me your .2$ if you wanted to. I'll be making shoeboxes with my grains currently colonizing.
If you guys could all agree that I need more evaporation off my substrate I'll pull the dome off for some hours when I get home later but everyone has something different to say about the same pic..
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Also the whole learning to mist properly thing?? I've already stated multiple times and locations that I've not yet once needed to or have misted since going into fruiting. My dome/tray combo is really well designed to hold humidity while also allowing tons of fresh air.. it is a humidity dome for fucks sake lol.
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Where are the mushrooms? 
Its not an insult. Please dont take it thst way. But if its such a great chamber?, why are you asking whats wrong?
think of the object lesson in that.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24875752 - 12/29/17 09:42 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not asking why thier isn't mushrooms growing lol I was asking how it's looking, my surface conditions, the dome I made, the general pictures of my setup. Maybe I didn't mention it in this thread but it's only a few days into fruiting and from the other runs I've done with this variety of cube they can take 10-14 days to show pins so I'm honestly not worried about that aspect yet homie.
And trust me I'm not trying to take any offense it's the internet lol it just gets frustrating going from being told it's awesome to waterlogged ect. But I'll go ahead and take the tray off later and let it evap more moisture off the surface since I've yet to mist it. But as with most things It looks better in person and I've seen some good knitting action already forming but I'll keep updating with pics.
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Have fun
Im excited for your results.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24875766 - 12/29/17 09:48 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks brother I harvested 19 grams dried from my 2nd flush of a big cake yesterday.
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If you guys could all agree that I need more evaporation off my substrate I'll pull the dome off for some hours when I get home later but everyone has something different to say about the same pic..
I don't say much on this subject to others. 1 or 2 weeks of experience of watching your bins and you learn what you need to do. Every persons environment is different and evaporation of perfect surface conditions can happen in an hour or 3 days. For me its a couple hours open air or half a day (12 hours) dubbed. My grow space is self contained, heated, and separate from all my other rooms. Based off that I can't use any one elses' misting regimen and as long as my bins are evaporating and not pooling water I feel like I'm good to go. I'm still learning what's best though.
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If you guys could all agree that I need more evaporation off my substrate I'll pull the dome off for some hours when I get home later but everyone has something different to say about the same pic..
I don't say much on this subject to others. 1 or 2 weeks of experience of watching your bins and you learn what you need to do. Every persons environment is different and evaporation of perfect surface conditions can happen in an hour or 3 days. For me its a couple hours open air or half a day (12 hours) dubbed. My grow space is self contained, heated, and separate from all my other rooms. Based off that I can't use any one elses' misting regimen and as long as my bins are evaporating and not pooling water I feel like I'm good to go. I'm still learning what's best though.
Yeah I agree man and I'm still learning to obviously but my grow room is separate and heated also and pics never really do a tub justice cause you have to focus through the initial layer of condensation to just see the surface. But from my eyes it looks good and healthy I guess people just don't like others doing things any other way then a tried and true tek.
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Its hard to help others because of that. My rant was just that. A rant. Didnt mean to bombard anyone.. well maybe a few
Growing shrooms is a gift. But seriously, ive seen those tray things and im curious how it turns out
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You should see change in the surface moisture over time. Otherwise your sub was over capacity or insifficient fae imo.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24875819 - 12/29/17 10:11 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I actually got the idea from a grow on here of someone using these mondi trays with great results! Also another cool thing about them is once you are ready to harvest you can just take off the dome and work right at substrate level  And I've seen change in just the few days it's been in fruiting jhova. I'll take the dome off and post a better pic when I get to the house.
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So one of the members on here told me my sub looked water logged in a different pic so I need more opinions please 
Ok so I came home and took the dome off my mini mono and took some new pics, how's it look now? Also has anyone seen such aggressive mycellium??? It's growing up the tray liner lol or is this bad??
 Hopefully you guys can tell me she's looking healthy!
Here are the old pics he was referring to.
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its not waterlogged but id be wanting that moisture to evaporate. loosen some poly. but not too bad.
its no shoebox though but i dont mind.. i wanna see that tray fruit.
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