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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: acidninja]
    #24780574 - 11/13/17 03:34 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)



I think this is gonna be a good one.  I got jealous of hopeful hounds tub so I gave this tub some more air.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: acidninja]
    #24780635 - 11/13/17 04:02 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

That's what I had planned on doing.  In 4 hours about 30 more popped up.

Can't wait to get some clones.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Just_A_Noob]
    #24780649 - 11/13/17 04:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

That tub was ridiculous.  The weight of a full big mono


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
    #24780951 - 11/13/17 05:46 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I started my first grow ever on 9/16 (5 jars of oats nocced with a GT syringe) and right now I have three different dubtubs.

As probably expected, I have a slew of results so far. Having a bitch of a time dialing in moisture levels... even when I feel like I'm overmisting them they always seem dry within 3-4 hours. Tubs 1 and 2 ended up pinning on the sides and bottoms, so I flipped them over on Friday.

Tub #1: 1:1 oat to coir ratio (2 qt each) Started 11/2
The better tub currently. Enjoy the pin porn!


Tub #2: 1:2 oat to coir ratio (1 qt oat, 2 qt coir) started 11/2

Not seeing much pin progress, except for that one big guy. A good candidate for printing?


Tub #3: 1:1 oat to coir ratio (2 qt each) started 11/7
Started later because 2 jars were a little slower at colonizing. No pins to speak of yet, but hopefully soon (since this is already looking better moisture-wise than the other two did)


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: MethodicalMystical]
    #24781035 - 11/13/17 06:09 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Well, came home to this ugly green mold. Didn't see any in the morning when i checked on my boxes :frown:






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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: MethodicalMystical]
    #24781079 - 11/13/17 06:24 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Tub 1 too dry
Tub 2 soaked
Check out comebackkid's dope thread on "proper surface moisture" in my signature. It helped me a lot!
Its a fine balance between too wet and too dry.

The mycelium looks like its struggling to colonize your tubs.  At this poibt fresh air will help. Remove the lids conpletely while you are home and mist lightly every 2 hours IF NEEDED. Too dry or too wet stalls shit out.

Take a look at my tubs from 11/3 spawned after yours on 11/2. Already pinning the whole substrate.

Do you have pics of the master jars? Might be bad spawn.

Im sure you know MS(syringe) to grains is like fuckung a $2 hooker from Tijuana: risky and rarely worth it.

Even pixel_popper wouldnt expand a bad jar.

Heres my AA+ tubs. Pinning finally! Shrooms soon.



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
    #24781117 - 11/13/17 06:39 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Nvm i think you were responding to someone else lol


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
    #24781133 - 11/13/17 06:45 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the fast reply, Jon! I looked over comebackkid's guide before this, but it's hard to judge surface conditions for my untrained eye. Can't even see beads on the surface most of the time no matter how much I spray...

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The mycelium looks like its struggling to colonize your tubs.  At this poibt fresh air will help. Remove the lids conpletely while you are home and mist lightly every 2 hours IF NEEDED. Too dry or too wet stalls shit out.




First thing I did when reading this was to walk out to the grow room to do so.

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Do you have pics of the master jars? Might be bad spawn.



Right here for the most recent pictures. You can see how the growth was overdocumented to hell and back


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Im sure you know MS(syringe) to grains is like fuckung a $2 hooker from Tijuana: risky and rarely worth it.




Heh, yep. Only reason I even bothered with this was because I didn't have agar supplies at the time. Now I do, and a few more syringes to start working with...


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: MethodicalMystical]
    #24781182 - 11/13/17 07:08 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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grains were real wet. thats weird usually oats can suck up a LOT of water.
eats oat prep

keep an active eye on your oat prep and chance of going bacterial. i was driving myself crazy about my grows all going south when the simple culprit was the oats were bad. too many "endospores" of bacteria. i got a bag from a feed store and maybe it was a bad batch or maybe it had been sitting there since the 90's either way i had a bad experience i havent had since...

buying pennington classic wild bird seed from walmart. i like knowing it hasnt sat on the shelf a long time.

im not sure which oat prep you use either way you might want to try 20 minute boil, drain thoroughly 30 minutes to an hour then load. thats playing it super safe. make sure you have a mesh strainer not the bullshit slotted ones. or better yet buy yourself some window screen and jerry rig up one of these


this is what a veteran member said to me when i was trying to figure my shit out in regards to oats. take it as you will.

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I'll be blunt, I know you think I dismissed this question in your first :pm:, actually I didn't, it's just that I've been there done that. And by "that" I mean torturing yourself with all the plausible causes that may give rise to a particular problem, but for a new grower all those possible causes seem likely, when in fact they aren't. Bacteria gets in the media by dropping off of objects that carry them, be it your hands, the scalpel's handle (you need to flame the handle a little too), etc...


... Your problem is NOT your SAB work, it is your grains, so let's fix that, maybe you don't believe me now but you'll see for yourself soon. All the things you told me plus the pics seem to be pointing towards unusable grains you need to trash asap. I've had my share of endospore ridden grains, so I like to think I know what I'm saying.

There's a new trend in mush cult, everybody seems to be using oats, can't understand it though, maybe peeps love that they can take a lot of beating, like a rolling boil, or the nice husks. The problem is that oats are the most bacterial grains out there, and not everybody has access to clean enough oats that can be used for myco. Lots of folks have been having problems with oats lately and most of them fuckers blame their sterile technique :facepalm:

If you want a badass grain try wheat. WBS is forgiving too.




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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
    #24781338 - 11/13/17 08:24 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I used bod's oat prep. This may also answer that veteran member's (indirect) question regarding the popularity of the method.

Straining was a bit of a hassle when I did it (I don't have a mesh strainer), dried it as much as I could and did the "toilet paper test" mentioned in bod's guide multiple times. Since that didn't do the trick, you may have a point.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: MethodicalMystical]
    #24781402 - 11/13/17 09:10 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

How long did the grains sit n the strainer? I used to toss my grains so much and baby them trying to dry it.  Now, I toss here and there but leave them in the strainer for 3+ hours after a boil.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: PreparationH]
    #24781431 - 11/13/17 09:37 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Quite a while. Don't remember exactly how long, but it was at least twice as long as the amount recommended in the guide... so 2+ hours. During this time the grain was divided into separate strainers and patted with several paper towels. It was loaded up once all of it passed 3 runs of the tp test.

...Yeah. Now that I'm thinking back to this time, there's a myraid of things that were a bit sloppy. Nothing to do about it except more research and trial n' error, I guess.  :shrug:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: MethodicalMystical]
    #24781475 - 11/13/17 10:26 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

keep at it brother heres how you can do wbs or any grains pretty easy. strainers are expensive as fuck. i went to target and saw one nice strainer for $28! i said fuck that and went to home depot.
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here's a handy tool for grains i made you guys might like, especialy for WBS.

get a roll of fiberglass screen. cut a section, fold in half and sew the sides together with a strong thread (sewing machine makes it stronger). fill with seed and close with a good "chip clip". now you can rinse in the sink over and over till you see the water run clear.

no need to dump and strain. no spillage. no clogged drains.



when your done rinsing, just plop it right into your simmer, soak, whatever.



whan that's done just pull it out and drop back in the sink to strain.

i have another piece draped over a wire shelf, in a shallow tub for drying the outer shells.





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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
    #24781825 - 11/14/17 06:06 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I noticed as soon as I gave a few heavy misting my tubs started to pin.  I haven't grown for about 7 years and a lot of info has changed.  Should I keep missing regularly while the pin set comes in?  There is no need for me to try avoiding these pins when I'm misting is there?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: sir_spins_alot]
    #24781826 - 11/14/17 06:07 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Pics help


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
    #24781834 - 11/14/17 06:17 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Last page has two pics.  There from last night.  There was only 1 pin per box but now there's about 30-50. I'll take more when I get home.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: sir_spins_alot]
    #24781846 - 11/14/17 06:30 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Usually i easy up at that point or bottom water if it looks phat.
Some say it causes aborts if you mist after they come in. Try it for yourself!


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
    #24781922 - 11/14/17 07:42 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

That's the info I use to hear back in the day that guys say now is Bullshit.  It makes sense I mean shrooms grow outside where it pours, hail all that.  I think if fae is sufficient then wet pins shouldn't be a problem.  Ill find out over the next few days.  I have a dozen shoe box's plus 2 more jars for g2g.  So if some get fucked it wont be a big loss.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: sir_spins_alot]
    #24781957 - 11/14/17 08:09 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Experimentation is a beautiful thing.

Post pics when you can:cheers:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
    #24782080 - 11/14/17 09:15 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah it is.  I always grew in sgfc before so there wasn't mush room for experimentation.  That and I did a couple big monos with straw so I really lack the bulk experience.  After doing some now I have no idea why I didn't go with bulk from the start.  It's so easy.


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