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Patlal
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Have you ever been to a chiropractor?
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My back has been hurting me lately and people keep telling me to go see a chiro..... Personally, I do not trust them at all. I'm scared they will just fuck me up forever... I prefer massages and acupuncture.
What's you're take on chiropractors? Good experience? Bad experience?
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Patlal]
#24036638 - 01/24/17 05:07 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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dude, they are fantastic.
best one i ever had was an adjustment, followed by a hot stone massage. if you can find that service in your area, i would highly recommend.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Patlal]
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I've never been to a chiropractor but know one person who has. He said it helped, but you have to set up a series of appointments. It's like physical therapy after an injury - you go once a week for 6 weeks or so until they fix it. Or so I've been told (by one person mind you). But he said it was very good.
I used to have periods of severe back, hip, and back of the legs pain for a while. During the housing market crash I lost my job and worked for about a year moving furniture in a city with really old buildings (spiral staircases and box-shaped staircases) and my dumb ass never wore a belt. For a few years after that my back felt like a bendy straw that hadn't been opened yet. It just felt "compressed", like it needed to be stretched out. You know when you open a bendy straw and pull it apart and it goes "tatatatatata"? My back felt like it needed that.
I had looked into those upside down hanging machines, but they were expensive. One day when I was 26 I woke up and my back hurt so bad it took me the better half of an hour to stand up straight. I thought to myself "screw it, I'm too young to have this kind of back pain", so I went up to Dick's and bought a hang upside down machine for $200. It was the best $200 I've ever spent. My back pain has been minimal for the last 7 years, and when it does hurt, it is only a fraction of the pain I used to feel.
I will warn you though - read the manual. The first time I got on it I went straight upside down and within about 1 minute it felt like my head was going to explode. So I read the manual and it said to start slow, at about a 30 degree angle for a few days, then gradually work your way up to full inversion to allow your body to adjust to being upside down. So I did, and within 2 weeks I felt like a new man!
If it hurts real bad and you feel like decompressing the vertebrae would help, I suggest getting a hang upside down machine. They work wonders, and these days I'm sure you could find a used one for much much less than $200. They were still relatively new when I got mine.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: rackem]
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Yes, the one I used to go to was amazing, highly recommended.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: qman]
#24036669 - 01/24/17 05:19 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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So that makes 3 people who've said they are great. Sounds great!
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: OakTree]
#24036686 - 01/24/17 05:27 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Yeah....
I've heard bad stories though... Still worried
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Patlal]
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I think massages are better if you have consistent pain. I have bad arthritis in the C6 disc in my lower neck so I've done it all. The best thing I have ever done is invest in a really nice ice pack kit. Icing it to reduce swelling really helps a lot. It will surprise you.
http://www.therapearl.com/products.html
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Starstepper]
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Starstepper said: I think massages are better if you have consistent pain. I have bad arthritis in the C6 disc in my lower neck so I've done it all. The best thing I have ever done is invest in a really nice ice pack kit. Icing it to reduce swelling really helps a lot. It will surprise you.
http://www.therapearl.com/products.html
These work great for me.
I agree both return blood flow to the body but I feel with constant pain the muscles are really what need attention. Sometimes that'll help for a few weeks for me vs a few days with "adjustments"
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Went once 5 years ago and definitely wasn't a fan. Got a lot more out of doing daily stretches, exercise and the occasional massage.
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Don't be scared. About the worst thing that can happen is breaking your neck lol. No if they didn't help people then they wouldn't go back. Go test it one time. It doesn't hurt only the next day you feel a little sore. I go occasionally for my neck. My neck would feel terrible otherwise. If it doesn't improve then see a Dr. next. You might need xrays, mri to see inside.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: SoloTrip]
#24036800 - 01/24/17 06:02 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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I've been to two. One took a very long time with a tool like a giant ball point pen punching up and down my back and elsewhere but she fixed a very stubborn pulled hamstring she that I had been fighting for over a year. She was very conservative and I got the feeling she might have been milking the appointments a little.
The other one took a shot at my lower back and fixed it very quickly with some stretches, very deep tissue, and a drop table which felt scary but seems to work. Two weeks vs sometimes months for a similar injury. He was damn near a miracle worker. So my experience is varied but overall positive.
I'd be very reluctant to let one have a go at my neck based on what I have seen. Looks too scary. Overall I'd say like anything there are good ones and bad ones. Go based on a personal referral.
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I agree both return blood flow to the body but I feel with constant pain the muscles are really what need attention. Sometimes that'll help for a few weeks for me vs a few days with "adjustments"
Agreed. When the muscles get tense they tend to put more pressure on the joints/vertebrae. Whichever route you decide to take, be sure to incorporate some stretching into your daily routine. Each day when I get off of the hang upside down machine (I think they are called "inversion tables") I do some back and leg stretches for a few minutes. Over time it has worked wonders and over the years has made the $200 very very much worth it. Good luck on your journey toward no back pain. It can be a real pain...
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: pheasant327]
#24037286 - 01/24/17 09:09 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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pheasant327 said: Went once 5 years ago and definitely wasn't a fan. Got a lot more out of doing daily stretches, exercise and the occasional massage.
Basically, this. I went to one when I was in high school. The chiropractor would give me fancy information, and then give me a few "adjustments" where he'd crack my back in a certain way 1-2 times a week.
Yoga, massage, and relaxation are what helped me, although my back still isn't top-notch. YMMV though because I only have slight scoliosis.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: tito123]
#24037319 - 01/24/17 09:22 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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My fiancée goes to one on a regular basis and it makes all the difference in the world for her back issues. If you go to one though, be prepared to become semi-dependent on it. If she misses two weeks, she is a different person.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Patlal]
#24037337 - 01/24/17 09:30 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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I got my back fucked up when I was about 13ish (like permanent damage) and my grandma started taking me to one. It works but it's not a permanent solution, or at least wasn't in my case. I had to keep going back for adjustments on a monthly basis. I eventually stopped going and learned to live with the pain. I don't really notice it much anymore unless I bend wrong and pinch a nerve or whatever it is that happens. Then I spend 2 days feeling like I have a knife jabbed in my spine.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Shroomslip]
#24037458 - 01/24/17 10:28 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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I've only been to one once. I had a pinched nerve in my shoulder/neck area. I could barely turn my head sideways and it hurt like a bitch. Still to this day, I ha e no idea how it happened. But after a few days I went to a local chain chiropractor (like a chain store through the city)
I was skeptical, but wow did it work albeit scary. There is something about a person grabbing your head and snapping your neck to the side, popping all your vertebrae that is unnerving.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: aZombie]
#24037616 - 01/25/17 12:21 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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My dad is a chiro and a radiologist. Growing up playing multiple sports it was great, because if anything hurt he could adjust me that night and it usually helped. I am abbot skeptical about them though. I think they can help with many things, but are not the cure all. And most of the time they won't tell you they can't help, they'll just keep having you come in for the $.
My girlfriend had a lot of lower back pain before I met her, and after my dad adjusting her over several months it got way better. It can also highly depend on the chiro according to my dad, and the education they receive. He is a professor at the main chiropractic and radiology school in the US, but says there are some other not so great schools and certifications you can get to become licensed.
My dad also adjusted my cousins like 7.5 month old baby that was a super premi when it was having a bunch of complications. Ended up fixing a bunch of problems the baby was having, pretty incredible story I guess.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Patlal]
#24037653 - 01/25/17 01:05 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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I get a lot of back pain sometimes too, mostly cuz I'm always fucking up when lifting things, I bend my back too much, and I end up using the wrong muscles..
did u by any chance try lifting sumthing heavy recently?.. Or do u sit for long periods of time?..
You may want look into sum basic stretching poses and techniques n stuff, those help a lot.
weed helps a lot too, it keeps my muscles relaxed and my back seems to heal twice as fast..
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#24038036 - 01/25/17 08:41 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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My dad also adjusted my cousins like 7.5 month old baby that was a super premi when it was having a bunch of complications. Ended up fixing a bunch of problems the baby was having, pretty incredible story I guess.
Chiro to a baby.... Explain that one to the judge...
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Patlal]
#24038047 - 01/25/17 08:45 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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my back has been an issue for a while now
i've definitely pondered the possibility
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Patlal]
#24038060 - 01/25/17 08:50 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Y'know, stretching basically does the same thing that a chiro will do for you, if you do the right stretches. Look up some yoga postures, because the whole point of yoga is to lengthen and strengthen the spine. In order to lengthen it, the alignment has to be readjusted, which is the first phase of some of the changes that take place from doing daily stretches and exercise.
My only issue with chiropractors is that they're doing the work for us. In some cases, sure, they might be the best option, but you can't just have a perfectly aligned spine if the rest of your muscular tissue is still functioning in the same habitual patterns which brought it out of alignment in the first place. You'll be fine after a session, and then gradually go back to the way you were, so it's just a temporary fix. The important thing to do is a holistic realignment of your body, through proper stretching and exercise, only using a chiropractor for things you just can't seem to tackle on your own.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Chakra Shock]
#24038064 - 01/25/17 08:51 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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My only issue with chiropractors is that they're doing the work for us. In some cases, sure, they might be the best option, but you can't just have a perfectly aligned spine if the rest of your muscular tissue is still functioning in the same habitual patterns which brought it out of alignment in the first place. You'll be fine after a session, and then gradually go back to the way you were, so it's just a temporary fix. The important thing to do is a holistic realignment of your body, through proper stretching and exercise, only using a chiropractor for things you just can't seem to tackle on your own.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Chakra Shock]
#24038071 - 01/25/17 08:54 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Went to a chiropractor gu once, he kept making jokes that I had to fake laugh at, like every fuckin 2 minutes he'd say something that warrented laughter. What is it with these jokester chiropractors and dentists that feel the need to try make me laugh every 10 seconds?
Anyway my back is shitty from an injury, my back muscles are assymetrical and he said my back was "good" and he cracked some wacky bones in my back and did a few things here n there, didn't really improve my back noticeably
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: trees]
#24038074 - 01/25/17 08:57 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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trees said: Went to a chiropractor gu once, he kept making jokes that I had to fake laugh at, like every fuckin 2 minutes he'd say something that warrented laughter.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Niffla]
#24038084 - 01/25/17 09:01 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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I was under the impression that the vast majority of their patients had some kind of insurance to cover the cost of treatment, and if the patients had to pay out of their own pocket, many would not think the treatment was worth the cost. I finally tried a chiropractor for low back pain, and I thought the the setup was bogus and the doc was just trying to figure out how to get as much money as he could. He took expensive x-rays and when he couldn't find anything out of line, he decided that my pelvis was at the wrong angle to my spine. I believe this only reflected the way I was standing when x-rayed, and I could have easily shifted my weight more to the other foot and leveled my pelvis. I no longer get lower back pain like I used to because I figured out what kind of activities triggered it and now I avoid them.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Patlal]
#24038097 - 01/25/17 09:05 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Patlal said: Yeah....
I've heard bad stories though... Still worried
go in, get your back cracked but dont listen to any shit about holistic healing, or other nutter medical advice that many are apt to dispense. chiropractic isnt medicine, it's not going to heal you and while it may hurt for a few days afterward, it can help to ease some of the back pain you feel. stretching and exercise will actually benefit you a lot more
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Patlal]
#24038105 - 01/25/17 09:11 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Chiros good, but I wanna do some acupuncture sometime, I have heard interesting things. I used to go to the chiro when I was young, I got hit really hard once playing football and knocked my hips out of place, so had to go get them put back right at the chiro, then went once a month for a while, then quit going, was nice though, but seemed to only work well if I continued to go on the regular.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Lucis]
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Fennario said: Chiros good, but I wanna do some acupuncture sometime, I have heard interesting things.
you should try chakra fisting
it's all quackery, chiropractic has minimal if any benefit, acupuncture is just complete garbage unless you're a hypochondriac in which case it's fucking magic
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#24038117 - 01/25/17 09:18 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Acupuncture is fucking gold man. Clearly you've never had it before otherwise you would know that what you just said is garbage.
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Patlal said: Acupuncture is fucking gold man. Clearly you've never had it before otherwise you would know that what you just said is garbage.
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Patlal said: I love my pseudoscience and woo, how can I be a hypochondriac when I'm sick all the time
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Fennario said: Chiros good, but I wanna do some acupuncture sometime, I have heard interesting things.
you should try chakra fisting
sounds hot, count me in.
Now I just have to find a certified fister, I require delicate, soft hands, moistened with the fat of baby seals and coconut oil.
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#24038156 - 01/25/17 09:33 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Patlal said: I love my pseudoscience and woo, how can I be a hypochondriac when I'm sick all the time
No. You don't know what you're talking about.
Acupuncture works extremely well.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Patlal]
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#24038260 - 01/25/17 10:14 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Patlal said: No. You don't know what you're talking about.
Acupuncture works extremely well.
um... no
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/acupuncture-doesnt-work/ http://www.dcscience.net/2013/05/30/acupuncture-is-a-theatrical-placebo-the-end-of-a-myth/
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: No. You don't know what you're talking about.
Acupuncture works extremely well.
um... no
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/acupuncture-doesnt-work/ http://www.dcscience.net/2013/05/30/acupuncture-is-a-theatrical-placebo-the-end-of-a-myth/
Get acupuncture, see for yourself.
you dont need chiropractors for your back pain, just eat some sugar pills because they're 99% effective, maybe cure your cancer with soursop because it's 10,000 times more effective than chemotherapy
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Chakra Shock]
#24038463 - 01/25/17 11:54 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Yeah Ive been doing yoga for 13yrs, unless Im parapalegic thats what Im doing for rehab, the subtlety in tension one has to manipulate to work a knot out is hard to overstate. 1st person activity
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Repertoire89]
#24038567 - 01/25/17 12:43 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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I've been on bed rest for 5 weeks now. My lower back is hurt bad. Kept having muscle spasms. Dr gave me pain pills and muscle relaxers. Said it was just pulled muscles but it hasn't helped.
Went to the chiropractor yesterday. He knew exactly what was wrong with me. My si joints in my lower back are out of line. He described all my symptoms without me even having to tell him. I'm only 34 and I lift. Health is good. He said he has fixed people with my issue before and should be done in 5 treatments.
He adjusted me yesterday. Hurt like a bitch. But I have confidence in the process. He knew what he was talking about for sure. I see him again tomorrow. I'll let u know if he actually does fix this like he says.
BTW. I've had X-ray's and Mri. They don't show any problems. So chiropractor could be a miracle for me
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Patlal said: No. You don't know what you're talking about.
Acupuncture works extremely well.
um... no
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/acupuncture-doesnt-work/ http://www.dcscience.net/2013/05/30/acupuncture-is-a-theatrical-placebo-the-end-of-a-myth/
Get acupuncture, see for yourself.
you dont need chiropractors for your back pain, just eat some sugar pills because they're 99% effective, maybe cure your cancer with soursop because it's 10,000 times more effective than chemotherapy
Alright. I'm willing to accept science on this one.
If accupuncture is in fact a placebo effect, I can attest that it is an extremely believable illusion of wellness.
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Re: Have you ever been to a chiropractor? [Re: Patlal]
#24050679 - 01/30/17 12:56 AM (7 years, 21 hours ago) |
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Total skeptic here. Went to a really good chiro and he told me what was wrong with me from looking at me. I was complaining about back problems he said its my shoulder.
Popped my shoulder and not its working much better and my lower back problems have stopped.
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