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OfflineJahLambsbread
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what's worse? tobacco or alcohol?
    #24036526 - 01/24/17 04:27 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

My brother smokes around ten tobacco pipes a day but is against alcohol and will rarely ever drink. I on the other hand hate the smell and taste of tobacco but enjoy the taste of beer a lot.  I don't like wine cause it makes me too tired and is too acidic and hard shit just fucks me up too much too quick but I love beer.  And with beer you don't have it all day everyday(well unless your an alcoholic) like my bro does with smoking tobacco.  It drives me nuts cause we are in a band together and every time he'll be like, "you guys wanna take a break AKA me smoke my pipe?" I mean it's gotta be worse to smoke ten pipes a day than have alcohol once in a while right?


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: JahLambsbread]
    #24036547 - 01/24/17 04:34 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Yeah Id say tobacco is significantly worse, alcohol can be beneficial to your health in small doses, its not nearly as addictive or potent, its roa is safer unless you vape, and on a side not: its significantly more psychoactive / euphoric.

Either one on occasion is fine imo, I'll smoke tobacco once in awhile (blunt, spliff) and drink lightly maybe once a week.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #24036558 - 01/24/17 04:39 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Tobacco....nothing wrong with a normal person having one or two drinks a day. I drank 12-24 a day and that's not so good. In other words....alcohol is only bad to the alcoholic.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: JahLambsbread]
    #24036573 - 01/24/17 04:44 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Tell him to throw his turd pipe the fuck away, that shit is intruding on other people's space, i bet no one around him appreciates the stink of pungant pipe tobacco, shit that's a major character flaw in your bro


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: JahLambsbread]
    #24036626 - 01/24/17 05:01 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

it really depends on the amount someones ingesting but i would say they are both neck and neck for the damage they do to the brain and body


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Connoisseur] * 2
    #24036627 - 01/24/17 05:02 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

What's worse, a punch on the shoulder or a bullet in the head?


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Patlal]
    #24036631 - 01/24/17 05:03 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

uh a bullet in the head? i dont consider that to be an accurate analogy to tobacco and alcohol though.

alcohol is very dangerous and can destroy the body and if used habitually.

just ask my friend in my avatar. alcohol killed him.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24036636 - 01/24/17 05:06 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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uh a bullet in the head? i dont consider that to be an accurate analogy to tobacco and alcohol though.

alcohol is very dangerous and can destroy the body and if used habitually.

just ask my friend in my avatar. alcohol killed him.




I was just dramatizing do the obviousness of the answer. We've all seen enough doctors and commercials to know that cigs are the most dangerous


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Patlal]
    #24036641 - 01/24/17 05:08 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

tobacco is a bit different than a cig, i thought the question was about pure organic tobacco vs. pure alcohol.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24036805 - 01/24/17 06:03 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

All drugs will wear down your body.  Hell, sunlight is bad for you.  Life is a game of trying to avoid things that flat out kill you and not age and die too young.

You will probably never go to jail for smoking tobacco.  You might go to jail for alcohol.  Never really know how drugs will age you.  I see people in their 80s smoking cigs and a 90 year old lady at the liqour store.  Some people thrive with an unhealthy lifestyle.

Truth is if you are fat or skinny and get diabetes, both smoking and drinking is a death sentence after losing limbs.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24036860 - 01/24/17 06:16 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

It depends upon how one quantifies the harm.

I'm an alcoholic and I usually chain-smoke.

Alcohol will destroy one's liver with extended abuse , and tobacco can give one cancer with extended abuse, (among other physiological things).

But smoking too-much and coughing a lot won't induce one to wreck a vehicle or ruin a relationship.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: eeso]
    #24036893 - 01/24/17 06:28 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I would say alcohol ONLY because of how the risk of death goes up conciderably after consuming alcohol (from being drunk)


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24036925 - 01/24/17 06:41 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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tobacco is a bit different than a cig, i thought the question was about pure organic tobacco vs. pure alcohol.



Organic tobacco. Lol. Somehow the farming practice would make tobacco less harmful. Where do you get these fruitcake beliefs?


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #24036948 - 01/24/17 06:46 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I'm not a smoker but pipe tobacco tends to smell wonderful.  My great-grandpa smoked a pipe when I was younger so maybe I just associate the smell with that.  Cigarettes stink to me.

Tobacco can make people irritated and smelly.  So can alcohol.

I think alcohol can damage relationships and cause poor judgement, even for a non-alcoholic. 

My grandpa was a chain-smoker and died of lung cancer at 58.

Both are bad but in different ways.


edit: "Organic" tobacco suggest to me that it would contain less added toxins than a cigarette.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: JahLambsbread] * 1
    #24036968 - 01/24/17 06:53 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I am leaning towards alcohol being worse than tobacco.
Alcoholism is completely debilitating and will kill you quicker than tobacco addiction, IMO.

Both are absolutely horrible, though.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 2
    #24036995 - 01/24/17 07:03 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I watched my grandmother pass of lung cancer from chain-smoking.

I'd rather stop drinking than stop smoking.
My use of alcohol has fucked my life up WAY, WAY worse than just smoking tobacco (which hasn't). I haven't died from smoking cigarettes (yet), I HAVE died from ethanol (literally).


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: eeso] * 4
    #24037026 - 01/24/17 07:18 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Tobacco kills significantly more people annually but alcohol could kill you in a single sitting.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: SoloTrip] * 2
    #24037034 - 01/24/17 07:21 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Plus tobacco does not turn you into a walking piece of stupid shit after so many :shrug:


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #24037045 - 01/24/17 07:25 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I am biased because I have never smoked any type of tobacco so I have always thought smoking is worse. But there are many variables like how much, duration, pre-existing conditions, etc. So it all depends on who the person is and what the circumstances are. Therefore I would say they are equally bad.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: FruitOfLife] * 4
    #24037049 - 01/24/17 07:25 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Alcohol is worse for society. Tobacco is worse for the individual.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #24037142 - 01/24/17 08:11 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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Alcohol is worse for society. Tobacco is worse for the individual.



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Plus tobacco does not turn you into a walking piece of stupid shit after so many :shrug:



Yea but does that really matter with how many walking stupid shits are already walking around?  That's usually why i drink,  post work after having to deal with idiots all day.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #24037152 - 01/24/17 08:16 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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Every year tobacco kills more Americans than did World War II — more than AIDS, cocaine, heroin, alcohol, vehicular accidents, homicide and suicide combined.

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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #24037179 - 01/24/17 08:22 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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Alcohol is worse for society. Tobacco is worse for the individual.




Couldn't have said it better.
Personally, I never have smoked tobacco other than a few visits to the hookah bar a few years back, but alcohol and over drinking have put me in some bad situations. Situations where I could've hurt myself, hurt others or been hurt by someone.
Like PatrickKn said. They are both bad, just in different ways.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: JahLambsbread]
    #24037249 - 01/24/17 08:45 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Yeah this is tricky because even though alcohol could at the end of the day be much much worse for you and your body moderate usage of alcohol is significantly safer than moderate usage of tobacco. Now if it's cigarettes that would be different because cigarettes are probably the most deadly chemical cocktail sold on the market but that's different from just ordinary plain tobacco.

Normal tobacco even though it's not as deadly as cigarettes it's still a poison like alcohol but unlike alcohol which can actually have health benefits (especially with wine and beer) tobacco doesn't really benefit you in anyway. Nicotine can have some health benefits on its own but still.

So alcohol has the potential to be worse but for the most part moderate usage of alcohol will probably be healthier.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #24037255 - 01/24/17 08:48 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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Yeah Id say tobacco is significantly worse, alcohol can be beneficial to your health in small doses, its not nearly as addictive




That's not true. If anything alcohol can be even more addictive.

P.S. It's not tobacco that makes cigs so addictive.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24037258 - 01/24/17 08:49 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

i think both are healthy in moderation. A cig here and there keeps part of your immune system working. kinda like use it or loose it? The people who go their entire lives (up until they start dying) unexposed to anything at all are often weakest and most likely to die of terminal disease


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: trees]
    #24037265 - 01/24/17 08:53 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

When I start smoking again after a few days health it's almost like my skin is wasting and I see how it makes me Sick.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 1
    #24037288 - 01/24/17 09:10 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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Yeah Id say tobacco is significantly worse, alcohol can be beneficial to your health in small doses, its not nearly as addictive




That's not true. If anything alcohol can be even more addictive.

P.S. It's not tobacco that makes cigs so addictive.




Nicotine is drop for drop more lethal than rattlesnake venom, arsenic, strychine or cyanide.


And yes Nicotine is highly addictive as well as dangerous, not additives.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #24037297 - 01/24/17 09:14 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

No actually nicotine by itself is not that addictive. You don't see people getting addicted to cigars like they do to gin. Again the reason cigarettes are so addictive is NOT because of the tobacco or the nicotine it's because of the hundreds of other chemicals they add in solely to make it more addictive.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 3
    #24037314 - 01/24/17 09:21 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

No it's the nicotine. Your claim is absurd.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 2
    #24037318 - 01/24/17 09:22 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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Yeah Id say tobacco is significantly worse, alcohol can be beneficial to your health in small doses, its not nearly as addictive




That's not true. If anything alcohol can be even more addictive.

P.S. It's not tobacco that makes cigs so addictive.



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No actually nicotine by itself is not that addictive. You don't see people getting addicted to cigars like they do to gin. Again the reason cigarettes are so addictive is NOT because of the tobacco or the nicotine it's because of the hundreds of other chemicals they add in solely to make it more addictive.



If that were true, vaping would not be as big of a phenomena. Some people chain vape all day (I know I did when I was vaping). You can't say it's not addictive in and of itself, it's simply untrue.

Addicts don't go for cigars because they are addicted. They are not going for quality, they are fulfilling a fix at an affordable price. Though I have heard that cigarettes have maois and stuff, even additive free tobacco is still quite addictive. As is vaping strong nicotine juices, dipping chew or smoking cigarellos.

I would argue that cigarettes are more addictive than cigars because of price, convenience, social acceptability. If additives were the main hook, not nicotine, then cigars with additives would be commonly smoked on breaks (according to your logic that is).


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 1
    #24037346 - 01/24/17 09:35 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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It's not tobacco that makes cigs so addictive.



Ammonia as an additive supposedly makes tobacco more addictive, but that doesn't mean that the ammonia itself is addictive on its own. It's like comparing crack to cocaine HCl and saying "it's really the baking soda in crack that people get addicted to, not the cocaine."


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: psi]
    #24038088 - 01/25/17 09:02 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

I would argue they are pretty equal in how bad they are for you, but very different in how they bring you down.
Alcohol seems to be more brunt force taking you down earlier on from daily use, while tobacco seems to slowly choke you if it doesn't randomly kill you first. Just so many downside to each when you think about it :shrug:


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Panaeolus92] * 6
    #24038122 - 01/25/17 09:21 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Neither one is bad, that's why they both are legal...they're totally safe.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: hummingbird]
    #24038169 - 01/25/17 09:39 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

they're both pretty fucked
they both fuck up genetics
they both fuck up sperm
they both rot your brain lol


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: koods]
    #24038176 - 01/25/17 09:43 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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tobacco is a bit different than a cig, i thought the question was about pure organic tobacco vs. pure alcohol.



Organic tobacco. Lol. Somehow the farming practice would make tobacco less harmful. Where do you get these fruitcake beliefs?




you have to be joking...as if it would be in any way more logical to compare pure alcohol to a cigarette that has a shitload of additives in it.

clearly tobacco is more harmful when its been contaminated with additives.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24038183 - 01/25/17 09:46 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

people who smoke don't die from smoking they die from heart problems and stroke usually
certain people with get cancer which almost 100%  kills you in 5 years, they like to lie about that

nicotine is really bad a pure drop of nicotine could kill an elephant

it shrinks arteries and cell walls, it starves the brain of oxygen
heck right now my eye lids are permantly pink from just tobbacco smoke alone, it thinned out my eyelid skin and because I don't sweat there its always red

tobbacco is fucked


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: koods]
    #24038185 - 01/25/17 09:47 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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No it's the nicotine. Your claim is absurd.




Well thanks for proving you're an uneducated as all hell. It's not the nicotine fucking genius. How about you actually read.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Konyap]
    #24038189 - 01/25/17 09:48 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

how many mg's is a pure drop of nicotine?


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24038193 - 01/25/17 09:48 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Nicotine alone is as addictive as caffeine. Its the naturally occurring beta carbolines in tobacco, and the added "impact boosters" that make cigarettes like crack.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: hummingbird]
    #24038195 - 01/25/17 09:50 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

like crack

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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #24038198 - 01/25/17 09:51 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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If that were true, vaping would not be as big of a phenomena. Some people chain vape all day (I know I did when I was vaping). You can't say it's not addictive in and of itself, it's simply untrue.




How are you people this clueless?! You people have to be joking. First off people vape all day (not because they're addicted) but because they're bored and vapes don't do anything.

If you seriously think nicotine is the reason cigs are so addictive then you're seriously a fucking child. I mean come on... this is common knowledge.


The reason cigarettes are so addictive is because they add like an extra 500 chemicals solely to make it addictive, nicotine by itself is not much more addictive than caffeine. You all really need to do your research, this is actually appalling.
People don't get addicted to other tobacco products or even just tobacco in general like they do with cigarettes.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24038204 - 01/25/17 09:54 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

the indians knew tobbacco was bad and that's why they sold it to the settlers

the tobbacco they used in south america was more psychadelic and less addicting


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24038217 - 01/25/17 09:56 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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If that were true, vaping would not be as big of a phenomena. Some people chain vape all day (I know I did when I was vaping). You can't say it's not addictive in and of itself, it's simply untrue.




How are you people this clueless?! You people have to be joking. First off people vape all day (not because they're addicted) but because they're bored and vapes don't do anything.

If you seriously think nicotine is the reason cigs are so addictive then you're seriously a fucking child. I mean come on... this is common knowledge.


The reason cigarettes are so addictive is because they add like an extra 500 chemicals solely to make it addictive, nicotine by itself is not much more addictive than caffeine. You all really need to do your research, this is actually appalling.
People don't get addicted to other tobacco products or even just tobacco in general like they do with cigarettes.




ok thats not even remotely true that "vapes dont do anything".

vaping is addictive for sure. as far as how dangerous it is i doubt its that dangerous but who knows.

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the indians knew tobbacco was bad and that's why they sold it to the settlers

the tobbacco they used in south america was more psychadelic and less addicting




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    #24038221 - 01/25/17 09:58 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Nicotine in general can be addictive but nicotine is not the reason some people find cigarettes as hard to quit as heroin.


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    #24038223 - 01/25/17 09:59 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

they didn't use it themselves lol

tbf tobbacco's is america's cash crop
tobbacco is native to america


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    #24038240 - 01/25/17 10:05 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

they didnt use it? what did they smoke?


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tobacco is a bit different than a cig, i thought the question was about pure organic tobacco vs. pure alcohol.



Organic tobacco. Lol. Somehow the farming practice would make tobacco less harmful. Where do you get these fruitcake beliefs?



One of my friend's grew his own tobacco and said the high is nowhere near as intense as smoking cigs. Cigs have a lot of additives


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Sheekle]
    #24038301 - 01/25/17 10:38 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

I think tobacco smoke is overrated in terms of damage to human health.

I was reading an article that people say the air in Shanghai is worse than half a cigarette a day. Um... Yeah it should be since you breathe air all day every day.


People have lived for 10s of thousands of years around fires that are either burning plant material, animal dung, or burnt rubber or plastic or some shit. Of course it's toxic to inhale. But I don't think living around that is any significantly healthier than have a few smokes a week.

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The problem with a smoke here and there is it's too easy to suddenly find yourself doing it every single day.


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So because the air in asian pollution world is worse than half a cig a day, then 40x that amount, a full pack of cigs, is also less bad than the air? You really think they would use half a cig as a reference point if that was the case?


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Sheekle]
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Tobacco use is stupid as fuck.


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    #24038376 - 01/25/17 11:14 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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So because the air in asian pollution world is worse than half a cig a day, then 40x that amount, a full pack of cigs, is also less bad than the air? You really think they would use half a cig as a reference point if that was the case?




No. ...the point of the article wasn't to compare air quality in Shanghai to smoking. It was to state how incredibly bad the air quality is. People were incredulous about the half a cig thing. Which made me :facepalm: I think people inhale shit worse than tobacco all the time.

Maybe not a full pack. But. From what I understand Shanghai air is nearly as bad as smoke. And you inhale it in every. Single. Breath. So imagine never breathing without a cloud of 2nd hand smoke going into your lungs.

And I compare that to one cigarette every 2 hours.

Yes. I'd think constantly inhaling toxic fumes and smog with every breath is worse than inhaling it every few hours.


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    #24038383 - 01/25/17 11:19 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Nicotine is very addictive and is the predominant chem in tobacco that is addictive. Hence, nicotine patches and gum to cut the cravings when you quit. The additives in cigarettes are mostly to help them burn properly and go out if left sit.


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    #24038395 - 01/25/17 11:23 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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Nicotine is very addictive and is the predominant chem in tobacco that is addictive. Hence, nicotine patches and gum to cut the cravings when you quit. The additives in cigarettes are mostly to help them burn properly and go out if left sit.




Bull


Shit


Also nicotine patches don't help with cigarette addiction, more proof that it's not just nicotine. Cigarettes are so much more addictive than pure nicotine.
If you think the additives in cigs are to help it burn better you're uneducated plain and simple there's no debate to be had because it's already a known fact that they're added SOLELY because they are addictive.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24038533 - 01/25/17 12:23 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

that shit will age you ten years believe that


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    #24038537 - 01/25/17 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Sweet sweet tobacco.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 4
    #24038707 - 01/25/17 01:43 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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If that were true, vaping would not be as big of a phenomena. Some people chain vape all day (I know I did when I was vaping). You can't say it's not addictive in and of itself, it's simply untrue.




How are you people this clueless?! You people have to be joking. First off people vape all day (not because they're addicted) but because they're bored and vapes don't do anything.

If you seriously think nicotine is the reason cigs are so addictive then you're seriously a fucking child. I mean come on... this is common knowledge.


The reason cigarettes are so addictive is because they add like an extra 500 chemicals solely to make it addictive, nicotine by itself is not much more addictive than caffeine. You all really need to do your research, this is actually appalling.
People don't get addicted to other tobacco products or even just tobacco in general like they do with cigarettes.




There are close to 80 addictive chemicals in tobacco, not 500.

Keep melting, you wont change the facts. As stated previously, clinical research (peer reviewed) has continously demonstrated the profound dangers associated with nicotine. Nicotine is the principle antagonist in tobacco products, not arsenic, cyanide or anything else (nicotine is nearly twice as toxic drop for drop as either of thise poisons). Many tobacco products do not contain additives, they are just as addictive and unhealthy.


Unlike you I have done research on this topic multiple times over the years, consulting peer reviewed research, digging through sources and credentials as I was trained to do in college while studying journalism, keep your mistakes to yourself and stop spreading false, misleading - harmful misinformation.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #24038721 - 01/25/17 01:49 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Just because you say shit doesn't make it true.

80? GTFO you must be high as shit. It's hundreds of chemicals genius. Just leave lol.

Stop making up facts like a fucking child because until you stop lying and actually do research I'm not going to even take you seriously. I can already tel you're underaged too.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 2
    #24038734 - 01/25/17 01:53 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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Just because you say shit doesn't make it true.



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Stop making up facts like a fucking child because until you stop lying and actually do research I'm not going to even take you seriously. I can already tel you're underaged too.



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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: psi]
    #24038736 - 01/25/17 01:53 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Yep


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    #24038740 - 01/25/17 01:56 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

:burke:


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #24038743 - 01/25/17 01:57 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Yep keep acting like a child and making up "facts", see how many people fall for your BS.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 4
    #24038746 - 01/25/17 01:57 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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Thayendanegea said:
Nicotine is very addictive and is the predominant chem in tobacco that is addictive. Hence, nicotine patches and gum to cut the cravings when you quit. The additives in cigarettes are mostly to help them burn properly and go out if left sit.




Bull


Shit


Also nicotine patches don't help with cigarette addiction, more proof that it's not just nicotine. Cigarettes are so much more addictive than pure nicotine.
If you think the additives in cigs are to help it burn better you're uneducated plain and simple there's no debate to be had because it's already a known fact that they're added SOLELY because they are addictive.




Jesus Christ. How did Americans become so scientifically illiterate.

You're just flat wrong.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: koods]
    #24038748 - 01/25/17 01:58 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Again you people are proving how uneducated you are. Keep going! It's fun to watch.


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    #24038769 - 01/25/17 02:06 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Nicotine is one of the most highly studied compounds in medicine. You are making a total fool of yourself. I'm going to assume you are involved in the vaping movement and you are no better than the tobacco executives who denied the danger of their products. You are a leech feeding off the destruction of people's lives.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2928221/


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: koods]
    #24038774 - 01/25/17 02:11 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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I'm going to assume you are involved in the vaping movement and you are no better than the tobacco executives who denied the danger of their products.




Keep projecting buddy, it's not obvious at all (sarcasm) :lol:

Also I would call you a leech too but that would be too much of an understatement. I like how you children can't just admit you're wrong, you have to keep milking it.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24038781 - 01/25/17 02:14 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Even though there is a little bit of truth in some of what you are saying, your poop breath attitude isn't getting you very far. Are you having a bad day or something?


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24038791 - 01/25/17 02:18 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Tobacco farmers have to wear special clothing to protect themselves from contact from the plant. That's how evil tobacco is.



The clothes reduce the absorption of nicotine through the skin.


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    #24038797 - 01/25/17 02:20 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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Even though there is a little bit of truth in some of what you are saying, your poop breath attitude isn't getting you very far. Are you having a bad day or something?




It's my new year's resolution to be more of a dick.


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    #24038802 - 01/25/17 02:23 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

And to always be wrong apparently


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    #24038805 - 01/25/17 02:23 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Wow,those gloves are torn up in that pic.




It would seem like your resolution is off to a good start then!


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    #24038807 - 01/25/17 02:25 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Thats rubber on the palms, not skin showing, it looks like that though

The rubber improves your grip and dexterity, as well as waterproofing the front area


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: koods]
    #24038811 - 01/25/17 02:26 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Tobacco_Sickness

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Green Tobacco Sickness (GTS) is a type of nicotine poisoning caused by the dermal absorption of nicotine from the surface of wet tobacco plants.[1] Tobacco harvesters, whose clothing becomes saturated from tobacco wet with rain or morning dew, are at high risk of developing GTS. Workers can avoid getting this sickness by waiting to harvest until the tobacco leaves are dry, or by wearing a rain suit. Wet clothing that has come in contact with tobacco leaves should be removed immediately and the skin washed with warm soapy water.

Symptoms of GTS include nausea, vomiting, headache, dizziness, and severe weakness.[1] These symptoms may be accompanied by fluctuations in blood pressure or heart rate. Abdominal cramping, chills, increased sweating, salivation and difficulty breathing are also common.[1] The illness will resolve on its own within one to two days, but symptoms may be so severe as to require emergency medical treatment.




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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: koods]
    #24038818 - 01/25/17 02:29 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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And to always be wrong apparently




Do me a favor and stop being unintentionally ironic :grin:


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    #24038819 - 01/25/17 02:29 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

After looking again you're right, they do look tore up at first glance.

I will never debate the extreme toxicity of nicotine, but there are other factors that increase the addictiveness of cigarettes.


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    #24038869 - 01/25/17 02:54 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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I'm going to assume you are involved in the vaping movement and you are no better than the tobacco executives who denied the danger of their products.




Keep projecting buddy, it's not obvious at all (sarcasm) :lol:

Also I would call you a leech too but that would be too much of an understatement. I like how you children can't just admit you're wrong, you have to keep milking it.



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Tobacco


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    #24041980 - 01/26/17 05:45 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

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Neither one is bad, that's why they both are legal...they're totally safe.




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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: koods]
    #24041990 - 01/26/17 05:50 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

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Tobacco farmers have to wear special clothing to protect themselves from contact from the plant. That's how evil tobacco is.



The clothes reduce the absorption of nicotine through the skin.




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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #24041998 - 01/26/17 05:53 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

I think it depends on where your tobacco is from, you know if it's organic, properly grown tobacco, well then hell yeah, smoke on friend, but mass produced tobacco is fucking gross.

If you can grow/cure your own tobacco, that's best, or at least source some decent stuff and roll your own.  Tobacco is a plant ally, and yeah it can be bad for your lungs, and other organs, but I think it's better than alcohol.

But alcohol is gnarly, many empty calories, dehydrates you, makes people do dumb shit all the time.

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Alcohol is worse for society. Tobacco is worse for the individual.




Also what he said.

People don't smoke 12 cigarettes and kill a whole family while trying to drive their car, and since people cannot smoke in places which make second hand smoke an issue, I say tobacco is causing most harm to the individual, and that's their right to destroy their circulatory system/lungs if they want.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Lucis]
    #24042008 - 01/26/17 05:55 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

I like to think of it as more of defiling my lungs rather than simply destroying them, which wouldn't be nearly as bad for me


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