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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: hummingbird]
    #24038195 - 01/25/17 09:50 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

like crack

lol so true


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #24038198 - 01/25/17 09:51 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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If that were true, vaping would not be as big of a phenomena. Some people chain vape all day (I know I did when I was vaping). You can't say it's not addictive in and of itself, it's simply untrue.




How are you people this clueless?! You people have to be joking. First off people vape all day (not because they're addicted) but because they're bored and vapes don't do anything.

If you seriously think nicotine is the reason cigs are so addictive then you're seriously a fucking child. I mean come on... this is common knowledge.


The reason cigarettes are so addictive is because they add like an extra 500 chemicals solely to make it addictive, nicotine by itself is not much more addictive than caffeine. You all really need to do your research, this is actually appalling.
People don't get addicted to other tobacco products or even just tobacco in general like they do with cigarettes.


Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (01/25/17 09:53 AM)


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24038204 - 01/25/17 09:54 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

the indians knew tobbacco was bad and that's why they sold it to the settlers

the tobbacco they used in south america was more psychadelic and less addicting


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24038217 - 01/25/17 09:56 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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PatrickKn said:
If that were true, vaping would not be as big of a phenomena. Some people chain vape all day (I know I did when I was vaping). You can't say it's not addictive in and of itself, it's simply untrue.




How are you people this clueless?! You people have to be joking. First off people vape all day (not because they're addicted) but because they're bored and vapes don't do anything.

If you seriously think nicotine is the reason cigs are so addictive then you're seriously a fucking child. I mean come on... this is common knowledge.


The reason cigarettes are so addictive is because they add like an extra 500 chemicals solely to make it addictive, nicotine by itself is not much more addictive than caffeine. You all really need to do your research, this is actually appalling.
People don't get addicted to other tobacco products or even just tobacco in general like they do with cigarettes.




ok thats not even remotely true that "vapes dont do anything".

vaping is addictive for sure. as far as how dangerous it is i doubt its that dangerous but who knows.

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the indians knew tobbacco was bad and that's why they sold it to the settlers

the tobbacco they used in south america was more psychadelic and less addicting




can you please explain more about how they "knew it was bad"?


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #24038221 - 01/25/17 09:58 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Nicotine in general can be addictive but nicotine is not the reason some people find cigarettes as hard to quit as heroin.


Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (01/25/17 09:59 AM)


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24038223 - 01/25/17 09:59 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

they didn't use it themselves lol

tbf tobbacco's is america's cash crop
tobbacco is native to america


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Konyap]
    #24038240 - 01/25/17 10:05 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

they didnt use it? what did they smoke?


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: koods]
    #24038266 - 01/25/17 10:19 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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tobacco is a bit different than a cig, i thought the question was about pure organic tobacco vs. pure alcohol.



Organic tobacco. Lol. Somehow the farming practice would make tobacco less harmful. Where do you get these fruitcake beliefs?



One of my friend's grew his own tobacco and said the high is nowhere near as intense as smoking cigs. Cigs have a lot of additives


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Sheekle]
    #24038301 - 01/25/17 10:38 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

I think tobacco smoke is overrated in terms of damage to human health.

I was reading an article that people say the air in Shanghai is worse than half a cigarette a day. Um... Yeah it should be since you breathe air all day every day.


People have lived for 10s of thousands of years around fires that are either burning plant material, animal dung, or burnt rubber or plastic or some shit. Of course it's toxic to inhale. But I don't think living around that is any significantly healthier than have a few smokes a week.

Daily smoking and direct inhalation are obviously worse and I wouldn't dispute that, but I don't think having a smoke here and there is any worse than living around burning leaves and campfires or cities like Shanghai. Or I should say San Fran. I think you're better off as a pack a day smoker in the clean mountain air than living in Shanghai and breathing in that shit 24/7


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24038302 - 01/25/17 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

The problem with a smoke here and there is it's too easy to suddenly find yourself doing it every single day.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24038307 - 01/25/17 10:43 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

So because the air in asian pollution world is worse than half a cig a day, then 40x that amount, a full pack of cigs, is also less bad than the air? You really think they would use half a cig as a reference point if that was the case?


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Sheekle]
    #24038343 - 01/25/17 10:55 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Tobacco use is stupid as fuck.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Sheekle]
    #24038376 - 01/25/17 11:14 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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So because the air in asian pollution world is worse than half a cig a day, then 40x that amount, a full pack of cigs, is also less bad than the air? You really think they would use half a cig as a reference point if that was the case?




No. ...the point of the article wasn't to compare air quality in Shanghai to smoking. It was to state how incredibly bad the air quality is. People were incredulous about the half a cig thing. Which made me :facepalm: I think people inhale shit worse than tobacco all the time.

Maybe not a full pack. But. From what I understand Shanghai air is nearly as bad as smoke. And you inhale it in every. Single. Breath. So imagine never breathing without a cloud of 2nd hand smoke going into your lungs.

And I compare that to one cigarette every 2 hours.

Yes. I'd think constantly inhaling toxic fumes and smog with every breath is worse than inhaling it every few hours.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: SARAtonin] * 1
    #24038383 - 01/25/17 11:19 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Nicotine is very addictive and is the predominant chem in tobacco that is addictive. Hence, nicotine patches and gum to cut the cravings when you quit. The additives in cigarettes are mostly to help them burn properly and go out if left sit.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #24038395 - 01/25/17 11:23 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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Nicotine is very addictive and is the predominant chem in tobacco that is addictive. Hence, nicotine patches and gum to cut the cravings when you quit. The additives in cigarettes are mostly to help them burn properly and go out if left sit.




Bull


Shit


Also nicotine patches don't help with cigarette addiction, more proof that it's not just nicotine. Cigarettes are so much more addictive than pure nicotine.
If you think the additives in cigs are to help it burn better you're uneducated plain and simple there's no debate to be had because it's already a known fact that they're added SOLELY because they are addictive.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24038533 - 01/25/17 12:23 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

that shit will age you ten years believe that


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Konyap]
    #24038537 - 01/25/17 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Sweet sweet tobacco.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 4
    #24038707 - 01/25/17 01:43 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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PatrickKn said:
If that were true, vaping would not be as big of a phenomena. Some people chain vape all day (I know I did when I was vaping). You can't say it's not addictive in and of itself, it's simply untrue.




How are you people this clueless?! You people have to be joking. First off people vape all day (not because they're addicted) but because they're bored and vapes don't do anything.

If you seriously think nicotine is the reason cigs are so addictive then you're seriously a fucking child. I mean come on... this is common knowledge.


The reason cigarettes are so addictive is because they add like an extra 500 chemicals solely to make it addictive, nicotine by itself is not much more addictive than caffeine. You all really need to do your research, this is actually appalling.
People don't get addicted to other tobacco products or even just tobacco in general like they do with cigarettes.




There are close to 80 addictive chemicals in tobacco, not 500.

Keep melting, you wont change the facts. As stated previously, clinical research (peer reviewed) has continously demonstrated the profound dangers associated with nicotine. Nicotine is the principle antagonist in tobacco products, not arsenic, cyanide or anything else (nicotine is nearly twice as toxic drop for drop as either of thise poisons). Many tobacco products do not contain additives, they are just as addictive and unhealthy.


Unlike you I have done research on this topic multiple times over the years, consulting peer reviewed research, digging through sources and credentials as I was trained to do in college while studying journalism, keep your mistakes to yourself and stop spreading false, misleading - harmful misinformation.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #24038721 - 01/25/17 01:49 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Just because you say shit doesn't make it true.

80? GTFO you must be high as shit. It's hundreds of chemicals genius. Just leave lol.

Stop making up facts like a fucking child because until you stop lying and actually do research I'm not going to even take you seriously. I can already tel you're underaged too.


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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 2
    #24038734 - 01/25/17 01:53 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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Just because you say shit doesn't make it true.



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Stop making up facts like a fucking child because until you stop lying and actually do research I'm not going to even take you seriously. I can already tel you're underaged too.



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