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PatrickKn said: Alcohol is worse for society. Tobacco is worse for the individual.
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spirit_shadow said: Plus tobacco does not turn you into a walking piece of stupid shit after so many 
Yea but does that really matter with how many walking stupid shits are already walking around? That's usually why i drink, post work after having to deal with idiots all day.
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Every year tobacco kills more Americans than did World War II — more than AIDS, cocaine, heroin, alcohol, vehicular accidents, homicide and suicide combined.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/29/george-will/claims-smoking-kills-more-people-annually-other-da/
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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: PatrickKn]
#24037179 - 01/24/17 08:22 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Alcohol is worse for society. Tobacco is worse for the individual.
Couldn't have said it better. Personally, I never have smoked tobacco other than a few visits to the hookah bar a few years back, but alcohol and over drinking have put me in some bad situations. Situations where I could've hurt myself, hurt others or been hurt by someone. Like PatrickKn said. They are both bad, just in different ways.
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Yeah this is tricky because even though alcohol could at the end of the day be much much worse for you and your body moderate usage of alcohol is significantly safer than moderate usage of tobacco. Now if it's cigarettes that would be different because cigarettes are probably the most deadly chemical cocktail sold on the market but that's different from just ordinary plain tobacco.
Normal tobacco even though it's not as deadly as cigarettes it's still a poison like alcohol but unlike alcohol which can actually have health benefits (especially with wine and beer) tobacco doesn't really benefit you in anyway. Nicotine can have some health benefits on its own but still.
So alcohol has the potential to be worse but for the most part moderate usage of alcohol will probably be healthier.
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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Repertoire89] 1
#24037255 - 01/24/17 08:48 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: Yeah Id say tobacco is significantly worse, alcohol can be beneficial to your health in small doses, its not nearly as addictive
That's not true. If anything alcohol can be even more addictive.
P.S. It's not tobacco that makes cigs so addictive.
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i think both are healthy in moderation. A cig here and there keeps part of your immune system working. kinda like use it or loose it? The people who go their entire lives (up until they start dying) unexposed to anything at all are often weakest and most likely to die of terminal disease
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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: trees]
#24037265 - 01/24/17 08:53 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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When I start smoking again after a few days health it's almost like my skin is wasting and I see how it makes me Sick.
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Repertoire89
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Repertoire89 said: Yeah Id say tobacco is significantly worse, alcohol can be beneficial to your health in small doses, its not nearly as addictive
That's not true. If anything alcohol can be even more addictive.
P.S. It's not tobacco that makes cigs so addictive.
Nicotine is drop for drop more lethal than rattlesnake venom, arsenic, strychine or cyanide.
And yes Nicotine is highly addictive as well as dangerous, not additives.
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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Repertoire89] 1
#24037297 - 01/24/17 09:14 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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No actually nicotine by itself is not that addictive. You don't see people getting addicted to cigars like they do to gin. Again the reason cigarettes are so addictive is NOT because of the tobacco or the nicotine it's because of the hundreds of other chemicals they add in solely to make it more addictive.
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No it's the nicotine. Your claim is absurd.
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Repertoire89 said: Yeah Id say tobacco is significantly worse, alcohol can be beneficial to your health in small doses, its not nearly as addictive
That's not true. If anything alcohol can be even more addictive.
P.S. It's not tobacco that makes cigs so addictive.
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AuroraBorealis88 said: No actually nicotine by itself is not that addictive. You don't see people getting addicted to cigars like they do to gin. Again the reason cigarettes are so addictive is NOT because of the tobacco or the nicotine it's because of the hundreds of other chemicals they add in solely to make it more addictive.
If that were true, vaping would not be as big of a phenomena. Some people chain vape all day (I know I did when I was vaping). You can't say it's not addictive in and of itself, it's simply untrue.
Addicts don't go for cigars because they are addicted. They are not going for quality, they are fulfilling a fix at an affordable price. Though I have heard that cigarettes have maois and stuff, even additive free tobacco is still quite addictive. As is vaping strong nicotine juices, dipping chew or smoking cigarellos.
I would argue that cigarettes are more addictive than cigars because of price, convenience, social acceptability. If additives were the main hook, not nicotine, then cigars with additives would be commonly smoked on breaks (according to your logic that is).
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It's not tobacco that makes cigs so addictive.
Ammonia as an additive supposedly makes tobacco more addictive, but that doesn't mean that the ammonia itself is addictive on its own. It's like comparing crack to cocaine HCl and saying "it's really the baking soda in crack that people get addicted to, not the cocaine."
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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: psi]
#24038088 - 01/25/17 09:02 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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I would argue they are pretty equal in how bad they are for you, but very different in how they bring you down. Alcohol seems to be more brunt force taking you down earlier on from daily use, while tobacco seems to slowly choke you if it doesn't randomly kill you first. Just so many downside to each when you think about it
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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Panaeolus92] 6
#24038122 - 01/25/17 09:21 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Neither one is bad, that's why they both are legal...they're totally safe.
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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: hummingbird]
#24038169 - 01/25/17 09:39 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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they're both pretty fucked they both fuck up genetics they both fuck up sperm they both rot your brain lol
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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: koods]
#24038176 - 01/25/17 09:43 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Connoisseur said: tobacco is a bit different than a cig, i thought the question was about pure organic tobacco vs. pure alcohol.
Organic tobacco. Lol. Somehow the farming practice would make tobacco less harmful. Where do you get these fruitcake beliefs?
you have to be joking...as if it would be in any way more logical to compare pure alcohol to a cigarette that has a shitload of additives in it.
clearly tobacco is more harmful when its been contaminated with additives.
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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Connoisseur]
#24038183 - 01/25/17 09:46 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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people who smoke don't die from smoking they die from heart problems and stroke usually certain people with get cancer which almost 100% kills you in 5 years, they like to lie about that
nicotine is really bad a pure drop of nicotine could kill an elephant
it shrinks arteries and cell walls, it starves the brain of oxygen heck right now my eye lids are permantly pink from just tobbacco smoke alone, it thinned out my eyelid skin and because I don't sweat there its always red
tobbacco is fucked
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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: koods]
#24038185 - 01/25/17 09:47 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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koods said: No it's the nicotine. Your claim is absurd.
Well thanks for proving you're an uneducated as all hell. It's not the nicotine fucking genius. How about you actually read.
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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Konyap]
#24038189 - 01/25/17 09:48 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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how many mg's is a pure drop of nicotine?
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Re: what's worse? tobacco or alcohol? [Re: Connoisseur]
#24038193 - 01/25/17 09:48 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Nicotine alone is as addictive as caffeine. Its the naturally occurring beta carbolines in tobacco, and the added "impact boosters" that make cigarettes like crack.
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