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Smoking peyote
    #24035261 - 01/24/17 07:00 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I have just read in a peyote book that dried peyote powder can be mixed with cannabis and smoked. The book said it doesn't make you trip but it adds an interesting quality to the cannabis high. Has anyone ever smoked it? It would be interesting to know what its like. I have seen a similar thread but it was about smoking peyote on its own and dint provide any answers


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: smoke91cts]
    #24035351 - 01/24/17 08:00 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I've smoked pedro powder with cannabis.  Too much of it got me off balance.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24035462 - 01/24/17 09:13 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

What was the buzz like? was it just like an intense weed high


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Re: Smoking peyote (moved) [Re: smoke91cts]
    #24035555 - 01/24/17 09:43 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

This thread was moved from The Ethnobotanical Garden.

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The garden is the wrong place for this question


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: smoke91cts] * 2
    #24035608 - 01/24/17 10:04 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

*sigh* everytime someone mentions smoking a hcl salt three deadheads have a stroke.

It doesn't work mescaline breaks down in temps a little bit higher than boiling.

If you claim to feel anything it may be from inhaling unburnt powder. Just sniff it or eat it.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: czech]
    #24035623 - 01/24/17 10:12 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Mescaline is pretty stable as far as psychedelics go. Whether its decomposition point is below its boiling point doesn't really matter, things don't work linearly where when you hit that point and all of a sudden it turn to carbon. DMTs decomposition point is even lower for example yet you can obviously smoke that, as can you psilocin, lsd, or w/e else generally. Mescaline doesn't exist in the cacti as an hcl salt anyway, hcl does not occur in cacti. I do agree that smoking peyote is likely to not do anything though, the amount that you would have to smoke is just so high it's impractical and a lot of it would be destroyed as it doesn't just have to hit its bp but a likely much higher temp for it to be released from the plant matter. You can smoke dmt, but no one is going to smoke some acacia bark or something for the same reason.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: czech]
    #24035637 - 01/24/17 10:17 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Oh .. Its just what a read in a book a thought it was too good to be true. Thanks for the info :smile:


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: krypto2000]
    #24036361 - 01/24/17 03:24 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I meant it decomposes right above the boiling point of water, dummy.

You definitely can not smoke lsd. Under no circumstances it is instantly destroyed by any kind of pressure, heat, light, or oxidation above about 130 degrees.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: czech]
    #24036766 - 01/24/17 05:55 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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czech said:
*sigh* everytime someone mentions smoking a hcl salt three deadheads have a stroke.

It doesn't work mescaline breaks down in temps a little bit higher than boiling.

If you claim to feel anything it may be from inhaling unburnt powder. Just sniff it or eat it.




three deadheads have a stroke :laugh2:


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: DayTripper1]
    #24036778 - 01/24/17 05:58 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I smoke mushroom powder..lsd tabs..and mescaline powder and get sooper stoned yo :underage:


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24036814 - 01/24/17 06:05 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I smoked a mushroom in highschool.  I think shrooms have trace amouts of DMT according to erowid.  I remember a nasty headache later.

Smoking pedro.  Meditating was easier but when trying new things placebo is a wicked trip.

I was probably eating pedro chips at the time and we put some on weed.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: czech]
    #24038072 - 01/25/17 08:55 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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I meant it decomposes right above the boiling point of water, dummy.

You definitely can not smoke lsd. Under no circumstances it is instantly destroyed by any kind of pressure, heat, light, or oxidation above about 130 degrees.




Besides the inability to weigh out and handle a dose that small there is no reason you shouldn't be able to vaporize LSD. The decomposition point doesn't work like you seem to think. Something may have a decomposition point of 150C and a bp of 180C but you can still boil most of it off you're just going to have some of it decompose in the process and not necessarily even much of it.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: krypto2000]
    #24038264 - 01/25/17 10:18 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

You're just wrong. At the point it would be better to insufflate you're arguing because you fucked up and tried to say that anyone has or could ever smoke lsd. It is just wrong any sort of flame or heating element would instantly destroy any dose that passes near it. If you dissolved it in a volatile medium then cold vaped it the oxygen exposure at the vaporization level would react with it and it would be lost.

Please don't spread misunformation. Psilocin breaks down at a very high temp.

Hcl is not hydrochloric acid it is a salt in every being and plant on earth it is the form most alkaloids take in your body. Dmt is in hydrochloride salt form in mimosa hostilis but when dissolves in water in the plant it is a free alkaloid.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: czech]
    #24038281 - 01/25/17 10:27 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

:thisisterrible:


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
    #24038286 - 01/25/17 10:30 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Anyone can reply with a gif prove me wrong with evidence and i'll accept it.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
    #24038306 - 01/25/17 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Thank you czech, for keeping this awful thread in check!!!

But seriously krypto, smoking/vaping lsd???

It has been well known for decades that this simply is not a possible ROA. I'm interested to comprehend the science behind your hypothesis.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: czech]
    #24038322 - 01/25/17 10:46 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Quote:

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Anyone can reply with a gif prove me wrong with evidence and i'll accept it.



I was just face palming OP

the whole concept of people wanting to smoke peyote buttons makes me want live on my own island


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
    #24038499 - 01/25/17 12:08 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

I like cactus tea the best.  I feel ingesting the drug is a good path to the relationship. 

I found smoking pedro trips to be bad.  Remember there are other alkaloids in these plants.  not everything is known about those chems.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24038529 - 01/25/17 12:22 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

I prefer it ground down to a powder and put into capsules although you have to take about 20 to get a good buzz. I can't keep the tea down I always throw up


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: czech]
    #24038803 - 01/25/17 02:23 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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You're just wrong. At the point it would be better to insufflate you're arguing because you fucked up and tried to say that anyone has or could ever smoke lsd. It is just wrong any sort of flame or heating element would instantly destroy any dose that passes near it. If you dissolved it in a volatile medium then cold vaped it the oxygen exposure at the vaporization level would react with it and it would be lost.

Please don't spread misunformation. Psilocin breaks down at a very high temp.

Hcl is not hydrochloric acid it is a salt in every being and plant on earth it is the form most alkaloids take in your body. Dmt is in hydrochloride salt form in mimosa hostilis but when dissolves in water in the plant it is a free alkaloid.




I'm not trying to be a dick, but you seem to lack an understanding of basic chemistry. No one likely has smoked LSD due to the fact that a dose is going to be too small to even see by eye, not because it will be destroyed before hand. I'm sure it's likely inefficient, but it's very unlikely to be completely destroyed before it's vaporized. A decomposition temperature is the temperature at which a compound begins decomposition, it doesn't hit that temperature and suddenly all become destroyed, much of it will still take on heat and vaporize. And no I'm not saying that it can in fact be vaporized, it's not a fact until it's proven and no one has tested it for us to know. Many compounds having melting and boiling points above their decomposition point and yet those points are clearly measured and defined. How do you think that is if all of the product was destroyed before they could determine it?

HCl absolutely does not naturally occur as you say, that is so wrong I don't even know where to begin. Can you find me any source that says it does? It doesn't even have to be on mescaline, just find me a source of HCl salts occurring in *any* plant at all lol. I wouldn't be surprised if some do, somewhere, but it's sure as hell uncommon if it does, for one thing chlorine would have to naturally occur in those plants and.. it doesn't, so how you would even get hydrochloric acid formation I have no idea. And yes, a hydrochloride salt requires hydrochloric acid, the hydrochloric acid, an acid, combines with a base to form a hydrochloride. That is such basic chemistry I can't take anything you say on the subject at face value. That's like saying oxygen is not required to make water.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: 1Love1]
    #24038813 - 01/25/17 02:27 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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Thank you czech, for keeping this awful thread in check!!!

But seriously krypto, smoking/vaping lsd???

It has been well known for decades that this simply is not a possible ROA. I'm interested to comprehend the science behind your hypothesis.




Again, I never said people have done it or am I recommending anyone try to do so. It's impractical due to the dosage, not due to decomposition. It's not a fact, it's an educated speculation, I never said it was a fact as it likely hasn't even been tried.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: krypto2000]
    #24038828 - 01/25/17 02:35 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Are you fucking kidding me? Chlorine is in every animal for sure. It is in most plants and an an essential nutrient in life. You're talking to someone who has an understanding of chemistry far beyond the average person. I used to do full synthesis of mescaline for a living! Saying something is a hydrochloride salt simply means it is bound to a hydrogen-chlorine ion which most alkaloids of this nature are when extracted from the plant. (not 100%) Keep in mind I mean simple water extraction. YOU HAVE CONCENTRATED HCL ACID IN YOUR STOMACH RIGHT NOW. You're WRONG.

You can't smoke LSD because it breaks down at an extremely low temperature. If you dip a tab in boiling water it is bunk just like that. Any amount of time.

https://www.selectolyte.info/Chlorine.aspx

https://www.reference.com/science/chlorine-affect-plants-cd3a5f039f9c3cfd

http://dyna-gro-blog.com/chlorine-benefits-to-plants-2/


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: krypto2000]
    #24038847 - 01/25/17 02:43 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

The dea seizes red-film vials of lsd crystal all the time. 1mg of lsd is 10 hits 1mg is enough to pick up with micro tweezers people have dosed with crystal lsd. I have ordered AL-LAD powder off of a Canadian RC site, I could have loaded a full giant bowl of it and smoked it all in one go and you know what? It would have worked cause i'm inhaling powder through a pipe. The heat from the lighter would destroy 99% of the AL-LAD and I'd be tripping sure, but if I had say, sniffed it, could have used 1mg and been fine.

Vial of crystal LSD pictures. You are fucking idiotic and maybe trolling.

http://i.imgur.com/JNvWw.jpg that is 2500 doses but you could smoke a bowl for only 4000$. No one has done it because anyone with that kind of money or knowledge of LSD knows it is destroyed instantly by heat.

You should just stop. I will no longer reply to this thread.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: czech]
    #24038958 - 01/25/17 03:26 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

You're right that chlorine is fairly abundant in plants then, I take that back, I did not realize it was as common in plants as it is, but I still contend that hcl is not. Yes it occurs naturally, but you're not going to find many hcl salts in plants. I asked for a link of *any* plants containing HCl salts, you can't find even one?

What is the point in your second post? That you can see macroscopic amounts of LSD and handle them with tweezers? I didn't say anything otherwise, nor did I ever say you can load a bunch of crystals into a bowl and smoke them with a lighter lol, give me a break. I'm sure most of it will be destroyed if you hold a flame to it, no shit. Even still I bet if you actually did load a bowl and hold a flame to it some of it would still be vaporized despite most of it being destroyed.

I seriously doubt you've ever synthesized anything if you can't even grasp the fact that you need HCl to produce a hydrochloride salt, they don't just form spontaneously, that is so extremely basic. You've already demonstrated you don't even that simple level of understanding so why should I trust anything else you say at face value? Why don't you answer my question about how a melting or boiling point is obtained above the decomposition point?

Edit: Just check your rating history. You only have 8 yet half of them are people saying you give bad advice and don't know what you're talking about including that freebase dmt is soluble in water, yah maybe 5mg/liter, no one would call that soluble lol. I don't think anything else needs to be said here, you don't have a clue.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: krypto2000]
    #24039622 - 01/25/17 07:26 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Mescaline synthesis... Any good links/teks?


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: 1Love1]
    #24039679 - 01/25/17 07:59 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Check the rhodium archives.


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Re: Smoking peyote [Re: krypto2000]
    #24039773 - 01/25/17 08:38 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

You can not dissolve it in a volitile solvent and vaporize it. The solvent willl be distiled leaving the solutes behind. You could nebulize it though. Dissolve it in water and turn the water into very fine dropplets anf inhaile them.


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