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LogicaL Chaos
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Dry Verm on the bottom of the jar?
#24035184 - 01/24/17 05:34 AM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Every time i grow the PF tek, i always get the best fruits coming out the top of the cake (which is the bottom in the FC).
I was thinking, what if i put a dry layer of verm on the bottom of the jar (top of the cake) to reflect the good growing conditions that the bottom of the cake has with the dry air filter verm layer?
Anyone wanna try? im planning i doing some PF jars in spring but i wanna brainstorm this idea...
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Cagney
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There really is no reason to do that, the reason the pins start around the bottom is because the climate, humidity, conditions are best close the surface of the perlite. If you verm both sides I think you would just be making more of a mess. Besides thst when I do cakes I always put two tablesopoons of verm. in the dip in the top of the cakes anywAys. It help to hold moisture in and I can pour a little water on it. The cakes still pin around the bottom edges because that's the closest part of the cake near the surface of perlite. Here's an example of verm. On top & bottom:
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LogicaL Chaos
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Re: Dry Verm on the bottom? [Re: Cagney]
#24036574 - 01/24/17 04:44 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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i was thinking putting some dry verm on the bottom of the glass jar *before* making the cake so its infused into the cake during colonization.
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Try not flipping the cake kn the first place then.
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LogicaL Chaos
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Re: Dry Verm on the bottom? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24036587 - 01/24/17 04:49 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Ok.
What do u think of the dry vermiculite on the bottom? Bad idea or Amazing idea?
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Dactylium
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A waste of space you could be packing nutes and water into
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Re: Dry Verm on the bottom? [Re: Dactylium]
#24036659 - 01/24/17 05:16 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Kind of my thoughts
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Re: Dry Verm on the bottom? [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#24037770 - 01/25/17 04:35 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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How about for tall thin BRF PF-tek jars? Some of mine are too tall and thin and take ages to colonise compared with shorter fatter ones. If I put a layer of dry verm on the bottom, that might really help. Less weight pressing down on the last bit to colonise, and quicker to finish. I just crumble the cakes from those jars anyway since they're so thin. Worth a try?
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Re: Dry Verm on the bottom? [Re: crowseed]
#24037776 - 01/25/17 04:46 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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I use the tall boys. After I dunk/roll, I put them on jar lids and put 2tbsp wet verm on top. It delays fruiting for a few days but my cakes always fruit from the top and only flush once, around 6 to 7g and then I toss them.
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Re: Dry Verm on the bottom? [Re: Adden]
#24037812 - 01/25/17 05:30 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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try it crowseed. Im gunna try it.
Adden, one flush? that dont sound right. Most cakes have 2-3 flushes. What do?
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I got tired of the "1.5" flush, and stuff like this.

Despite being too wet and bacterial.
So I figured out a draft kept drying my cakes out. I added a few tablespoons of wet verm to the tops of them and misted gently. Then I noticed that even if they're cold-fruited, bacterial, rerolled, whatever.. that no matter what they'd always fruit out of the top. So now I fruit my cakes, cut them off like a carrot and discard them. It works almost every time.
I think it's because it forces them to a better climate while retaining millions of microclimates up the sides.
Then they just kept doing it. And so did i. It ended up being more efficient and doesn't leave harvested cakes prone to contams in your chamber.






Then they're done flushing and I got my quarter from my cakes and move on.. it's how I do it and why I advocate it. Strains like GT and those that deserve to flourish over every square cm I just treat them like normal.
Honestly all it is, is just a bit of verm, kind of round it out like a dome and you're not sitting there with your dick in your hand waiting on 15 wet grams when more cakes can be in the sgfc. The extra 5 or 6 days doesn't matter.. it's just that I know a cake will be 95% spent after a flush and I get 6.5-7g, and move on. I'd never do it any other way ever again.
Edited by Adden (01/25/17 06:17 AM)
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Re: Dry Verm on the bottom? [Re: Adden]
#24037886 - 01/25/17 06:55 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Its not the verm, the part thats closer to the perlite is gonna have the fruits, cuz of the microclimate there etc.
But if you want to do an experiment, make cakes with an isolate and flip half of them and observe the results.
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crowseed
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Logical Chaos - I'll try it for sure as I'd decided to ditch the tall thin jars, so this way they get a reprieve.
Adden - I just put a wet verm dome top on my cakes yesterday. Didn't know it could increase first flush like that - nice. I'm just trying to get mine to fruit. They've been in the SGFC for a month now, but the house is really cold. Oysters are fruiting in there OK. Am hoping the others just give up waiting for it to get warmer. Maybe they've got hypothermia and their decision making has become impaired.
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Re: Dry Verm on the bottom? [Re: crowseed]
#24038570 - 01/25/17 12:45 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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If you put dry verm on the bottom of your cakes it will simply take moisture from your cake and inoculant and colonize
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Re: Dry Verm on the bottom? [Re: cronicr]
#24038691 - 01/25/17 01:36 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Cheers cronicr. How about wet verm on the bottom? It's OK if it does colonise.
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