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Invisiblevatman
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Buckets and thermal death
    #24033922 - 01/23/17 05:55 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I've worked with 5 gallon buckets before and ran into the issues of thermal death. My place was relatively hot.

This summer I plan on growing Pleurotus salmoneostramineus AM-G3-P.

My greenhouse will be kept roughly 85-90F. I don't have room in my garage or shed as it is full of my landlord's stuff for logs incubation. I would either need to incubate in the greenhouse or inside the house itself.

Keeping logs inside the house would fill it up rather fast.. I have been thinking to start contacting local restaurant get their used 3.5 gallon buckets for straw for my greenhouse this summer.

Input would be great!


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Re: Buckets and thermal death [Re: vatman]
    #24033992 - 01/23/17 06:16 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

When I first started out I grew out of 5 gallon buckets. No thermal issues here...just make sure you have holes drilled every 4-6 inches and a few tiny ones on the bottom.
Firehouse subs sells them lid and all for like $2, cheapest I could find.
I then switched to 27 gallon totes to maximize space. Loved the idea of not wasting plastic, but quickly found I got sick of sanitizing buckets every other day. It is a serious pain.
It has pros and cons like any other method.
Pros-no wasted plastic, no need for shelving which saves a ton of money, and definitely the cleanest harvest I've ever had, reusable forever.

Cons-Expensive upfront, a pain in the add to clean, and the sub will naturally shrink inside the container leaving room for slugs and other pests to make a home without you even knowing since your view of the sub is obstructed by the plastic.

As for incubation, I kept them in a very loose trash bag so they could retain humidity, but breathe. I would say just throw them in there, but 85-90 is too hot for incubation, even for pinks.


Edited by MycoFlora (01/23/17 06:55 PM)


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Re: Buckets and thermal death [Re: MycoFlora]
    #24034052 - 01/23/17 06:30 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I got a swamp cooler (not really sure how good they are. the one I had when I had an aparment sucked balls, the entire pad would not get wet. So when it was 100 outside my room was 90.) this one I got for free. Plan on using that to cool the greenhouse and got shade tarps all ready.

https://weatherspark.com/averages/29792/7/Boise-Idaho-United-States
http://www.boise.climatemps.com/humidity.php

It is not uncommon for 100F nights.

I am looking at the best place to store them while doing the spawn run would be inside.


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Re: Buckets and thermal death [Re: vatman]
    #24034533 - 01/23/17 08:53 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

It helps to not stack them or put wood strips between each layer if you are stacking. The bottom of a un-spaced stack always gets the brunt of the core temp



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Re: Buckets and thermal death [Re: Gr0wer]
    #24034550 - 01/23/17 09:01 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Great advice gr0wer, wasn't even thinking about that.

What would you say would be a max greenhouse temp for that after colonized?


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Re: Buckets and thermal death [Re: Gr0wer]
    #24035661 - 01/24/17 10:25 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Did you ever have problems with mushrooms growing inside the buckets? I used small plastic shoeboxes once and got lots of pins inside due to the microclimate.


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Re: Buckets and thermal death [Re: Chwyn]
    #24036943 - 01/24/17 06:45 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

There will side pinning on about everything. Some people cut them out other let them break back down.

I get them with my bags with sawdust bags. I have been trying to pack a casing layer tightly around the sides to prevent this. Issue is oxygen getting there causing pinning.

Light is less of a factor. Prevent oxygen from getting to places you don't want than you are good.


I haven't been able to find a lot of info on the thermal death. It would be ideal if I could get it down to about 83F at all times but not a lot of info on the limits.


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Re: Buckets and thermal death [Re: vatman]
    #24037001 - 01/24/17 07:06 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

with buckets im worried about the sub shrinking so much that youll only get 1 good flush on the outside then the rest will be small mushrooms inside the bucket.


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Re: Buckets and thermal death [Re: Chwyn]
    #24038126 - 01/25/17 09:22 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

I can get two good flushes with buckets. After two it has a tendency to attract contams.


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Re: Buckets and thermal death [Re: Snagman17]
    #24038909 - 01/25/17 03:09 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

There are benfits and downsides of buckets

Benefits but not limited to
  • Can be reused over and over again
  • Almost zero cost after buckets are collected.
  • Can get for free from restaurants Most restaurants have 3-5 gallon buckets as most of their bulk supplies comes in them. Even pizza hut.
  • Maintain their shape and can help protect the substrate during transportation
  • Don't need shelving just wood planks.




Negatives but not limited to
  • Probe to thermal death
  • Requires cleaning after each use
  • Can take longer to fully colonize and be ready to fruit after fully colonized.
  • If made into shelves can be a pain to remove the ones needed to be removed. Might want to just cut small sections to have totems instead, could pose a danger of falling if stacked too high.
  • Hard to inspect for contamination compared to logs or bags.


I might have to see if aloha would be so kind to answer the thermal death question for me when they call me about my culture order.


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