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First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader * 1
    #24033910 - 01/23/17 05:51 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)



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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 2
    #24034047 - 01/23/17 06:29 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

And ISIS probably gained a few thousand new recruits as a result.

And the cycle of killing continues.


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24034076 - 01/23/17 06:35 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

With their brother Barry's support being cut off I doubt thats gonna be the case.


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24035242 - 01/24/17 06:37 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
And ISIS probably gained a few thousand new recruits as a result.

And the cycle of killing continues.




I know, taking out only the leaders has had minimal effect. We need to be more aggressive and take out every last one of them. Cannot show the enemy any mercy. We've had a weak, effiminate, muslim sympathizer president for the last 8 years and this is what we're left with. I hope Trump takes on a better aggressive policy dealing with terrorists.


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: MightyWhite] * 1
    #24035795 - 01/24/17 11:18 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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We need to be more aggressive and take out every last one of them. Cannot show the enemy any mercy.



We need to show the world that the US is even more brutal than ISIS?  :shrug:


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #24035826 - 01/24/17 11:35 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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However, it is not the first time claims have emerged that al-Baghdadi has been either hurt or killed and there has yet to be official confirmation.




Third sentence of the article.


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24037968 - 01/25/17 08:00 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Yes, without a doubt.

What we've been doing obviously isnt effective enough. How long do you want this to go on for? How many more innocent people should keep living in fear or be killed?


I don't understand why you would question this. Let's say you have cockroaches in your house, do you just kill one and hope the rest go away or do you go balls out and take care of the entire infestation? You know, war isn't pretty by any means, what do you really expect? It's not like we're the ones beheading people or burning them alive in cages.

We wipe IS off the face of the earth and just maybe these good middle eastern people can have their countries back and the refugee situation can improve.


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: MightyWhite] * 1
    #24038161 - 01/25/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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MightyWhite said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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MightyWhite said:
We need to be more aggressive and take out every last one of them. Cannot show the enemy any mercy.



We need to show the world that the US is even more brutal than ISIS?  :shrug:



Yes, without a doubt.

What we've been doing obviously isnt effective enough. How long do you want this to go on for? How many more innocent people should keep living in fear or be killed?


I don't understand why you would question this. Let's say you have cockroaches in your house, do you just kill one and hope the rest go away or do you go balls out and take care of the entire infestation? You know, war isn't pretty by any means, what do you really expect? It's not like we're the ones beheading people or burning them alive in cages.

We wipe IS off the face of the earth and just maybe these good middle eastern people can have their countries back and the refugee situation can improve.



The majority of the people in the Middle East just want to be left alone so they can try and live their lives.  As the US shows what a brutal country it is by killing people with no mercy, including any 'collateral damage' that might be in range of ISIS, people there start to turn against us.

When the US bombs a hospital with someone's family inside because that hospital was believed to have an ISIS member, people turn against us.

The more people we kill, the more will turn against us, the more we kill and on and on it goes.

If I lived in the Middle East, why would I side with the US if they're proving to be more brutal than ISIS?


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #24038208 - 01/25/17 09:54 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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MightyWhite said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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MightyWhite said:
We need to be more aggressive and take out every last one of them. Cannot show the enemy any mercy.



We need to show the world that the US is even more brutal than ISIS?  :shrug:



Yes, without a doubt.

What we've been doing obviously isnt effective enough. How long do you want this to go on for? How many more innocent people should keep living in fear or be killed?


I don't understand why you would question this. Let's say you have cockroaches in your house, do you just kill one and hope the rest go away or do you go balls out and take care of the entire infestation? You know, war isn't pretty by any means, what do you really expect? It's not like we're the ones beheading people or burning them alive in cages.

We wipe IS off the face of the earth and just maybe these good middle eastern people can have their countries back and the refugee situation can improve.



The majority of the people in the Middle East just want to be left alone so they can try and live their lives.  As the US shows what a brutal country it is by killing people with no mercy, including any 'collateral damage' that might be in range of ISIS, people there start to turn against us.

When the US bombs a hospital with someone's family inside because that hospital was believed to have an ISIS member, people turn against us.

The more people we kill, the more will turn against us, the more we kill and on and on it goes.

If I lived in the Middle East, why would I side with the US if they're proving to be more brutal than ISIS?




Excellent post. I would add that, if you live in Syria or Afghanistan, or many other places, and you see warplanes and bombs that were 'made in the USA' falling indiscriminately on Muslim civilians, it sure begins to look like an overt and intentional persecution of Islamic society. I know many here don't have a rosy view of Islam, but creating the perception in millions of people that we  are attacking Muslims seemingly with prejudice is not a formula for long-term security.


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #24038234 - 01/25/17 10:02 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

:awesomenod:


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: MightyWhite] * 1
    #24038377 - 01/25/17 11:15 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

It amazes me that there are people in the world still espousing the Clausewitzian theory of warfare.  Even Clausewitz himself was trying to revise his theories, and warned against publishing his manuscripts in the event that he died before he could finish his revisions. 

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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24038464 - 01/25/17 11:54 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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MightyWhite said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Quote:

MightyWhite said:
We need to be more aggressive and take out every last one of them. Cannot show the enemy any mercy.



We need to show the world that the US is even more brutal than ISIS?  :shrug:



Yes, without a doubt.

What we've been doing obviously isnt effective enough. How long do you want this to go on for? How many more innocent people should keep living in fear or be killed?


I don't understand why you would question this. Let's say you have cockroaches in your house, do you just kill one and hope the rest go away or do you go balls out and take care of the entire infestation? You know, war isn't pretty by any means, what do you really expect? It's not like we're the ones beheading people or burning them alive in cages.

We wipe IS off the face of the earth and just maybe these good middle eastern people can have their countries back and the refugee situation can improve.



The majority of the people in the Middle East just want to be left alone so they can try and live their lives.  As the US shows what a brutal country it is by killing people with no mercy, including any 'collateral damage' that might be in range of ISIS, people there start to turn against us.

When the US bombs a hospital with someone's family inside because that hospital was believed to have an ISIS member, people turn against us.

The more people we kill, the more will turn against us, the more we kill and on and on it goes.

If I lived in the Middle East, why would I side with the US if they're proving to be more brutal than ISIS?




I'll be the first to say that US military action in the Middle East has been a disaster, but lets not be naive here, that region has plenty of brutality all on its own.


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: qman]
    #24038486 - 01/25/17 12:03 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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I'll be the first to say that US military action in the Middle East has been a disaster, but lets not be naive here, that region has plenty of brutality all on its own.



I don't think there's any naivety here.  The question is simply "who's more brutal?"


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #24038487 - 01/25/17 12:03 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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MightyWhite said:
Quote:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Quote:

MightyWhite said:
We need to be more aggressive and take out every last one of them. Cannot show the enemy any mercy.



We need to show the world that the US is even more brutal than ISIS?  :shrug:



Yes, without a doubt.

What we've been doing obviously isnt effective enough. How long do you want this to go on for? How many more innocent people should keep living in fear or be killed?


I don't understand why you would question this. Let's say you have cockroaches in your house, do you just kill one and hope the rest go away or do you go balls out and take care of the entire infestation? You know, war isn't pretty by any means, what do you really expect? It's not like we're the ones beheading people or burning them alive in cages.

We wipe IS off the face of the earth and just maybe these good middle eastern people can have their countries back and the refugee situation can improve.



The majority of the people in the Middle East just want to be left alone so they can try and live their lives.  As the US shows what a brutal country it is by killing people with no mercy, including any 'collateral damage' that might be in range of ISIS, people there start to turn against us.

When the US bombs a hospital with someone's family inside because that hospital was believed to have an ISIS member, people turn against us.

The more people we kill, the more will turn against us, the more we kill and on and on it goes.

If I lived in the Middle East, why would I side with the US if they're proving to be more brutal than ISIS?




Excellent post. I would add that, if you live in Syria or Afghanistan, or many other places, and you see warplanes and bombs that were 'made in the USA' falling indiscriminately on Muslim civilians, it sure begins to look like an overt and intentional persecution of Islamic society. I know many here don't have a rosy view of Islam, but creating the perception in millions of people that we  are attacking Muslims seemingly with prejudice is not a formula for long-term security.




So with that being said, why would anyone want to have millions of these disenfranchised people moving into the US or EU?  It's a recipe for disaster like we have already seen.


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24038501 - 01/25/17 12:10 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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qman said:
I'll be the first to say that US military action in the Middle East has been a disaster, but lets not be naive here, that region has plenty of brutality all on its own.



I don't think there's any naivety here.  The question is simply "who's more brutal?"




Going into Iraq was just plain stupid the second time, with that being said, living in Iraq prior to that time period was not good.

"who's more brutal?"

The leaders in the ME that maintain the status quo, a bomb that kills hundreds seems like the worse event of all-time, a regime that oppresses and brutalizes tens to hundreds of millions of people is even worse.


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: qman]
    #24038522 - 01/25/17 12:19 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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qman said:
"who's more brutal?"

The leaders in the ME that maintain the status quo, a bomb that kills hundreds seems like the worse event of all-time, a regime that oppresses and brutalizes tens to hundreds of millions of people is even worse.



Maybe the West should stop supporting these leaders?

In Afghanistan, we sided with the Mujahideen who were fighting a progressive Government (and who eventually turned against us).

In Syria we are supporting ISIS who is also fighting a more progressive Government.  :shrug:

We always seem to support the side fighting against a progressive Government.  I think it's all about keeping the military industrial complex funded.


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24038538 - 01/25/17 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

All radical militant muslims are a movement and not a heiarchy.  This is why as long as there are radical muslims there will be jihad.

Movements are hard to kill, derail or otherwise engage.  It's not like political heiarchy and western political movments. 

You can't kill a philosphy.  People have tried to eras ideas from the world and nobody has ever succedded.  Burning books just gets the book read more.

This is one reason the rainbow family doesn't have leaders.  It's not anarchy either.  Completely opposite of radical muslims as it's non-vilolent but the survivability is similar


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    #24038551 - 01/25/17 12:31 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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qman said:
"who's more brutal?"

The leaders in the ME that maintain the status quo, a bomb that kills hundreds seems like the worse event of all-time, a regime that oppresses and brutalizes tens to hundreds of millions of people is even worse.



Maybe the West should stop supporting these leaders?

In Afghanistan, we sided with the Mujahideen who were fighting a progressive Government (and who eventually turned against us).

In Syria we are supporting ISIS who is also fighting a more progressive Government.  :shrug:

We always seem to support the side fighting against a progressive Government.  I think it's all about keeping the military industrial complex funded.




I don't think there's some conspiracy to destroy progressive governments in that part of the world, I think it happens when the US pursues its economic and military interests.

It's much easier to partner up with a dictator than some democratic government with many factions.


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #24038827 - 01/25/17 02:34 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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We always seem to support the side fighting against a progressive Government.  I think it's all about keeping the military industrial complex funded.





That is so true, and the extent to which the United States has engaged in such behavior over the last sixty years is much more comprehensive than most Americans realize. Examples are legion, and defense spending and arms sales are much more important to the "masters of the universe" than anything resembling principle.


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Re: First day at the Helm and Maddog already critically injured ISIS's leader [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24038852 - 01/25/17 02:47 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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We need to be more aggressive and take out every last one of them. Cannot show the enemy any mercy.



We need to show the world that the US is even more brutal than ISIS?  :shrug:



Yes, without a doubt.

What we've been doing obviously isnt effective enough. How long do you want this to go on for? How many more innocent people should keep living in fear or be killed?


I don't understand why you would question this. Let's say you have cockroaches in your house, do you just kill one and hope the rest go away or do you go balls out and take care of the entire infestation? You know, war isn't pretty by any means, what do you really expect? It's not like we're the ones beheading people or burning them alive in cages.

We wipe IS off the face of the earth and just maybe these good middle eastern people can have their countries back and the refugee situation can improve.



The majority of the people in the Middle East just want to be left alone so they can try and live their lives.  As the US shows what a brutal country it is by killing people with no mercy, including any 'collateral damage' that might be in range of ISIS, people there start to turn against us.

When the US bombs a hospital with someone's family inside because that hospital was believed to have an ISIS member, people turn against us.

The more people we kill, the more will turn against us, the more we kill and on and on it goes.

If I lived in the Middle East, why would I side with the US if they're proving to be more brutal than ISIS?





You would think but thats not what happens. They partied pretty heavily when a few cities in Syria were finally liberated about 4 weeks back. Christians held the first mass there in years, almost a decade.  Most of them are more then happy to have the help.


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