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Is violence against Nazis ok?
    #24033574 - 01/23/17 03:44 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Race hatred gets us nowhere except fighting, war and genocide and its what Nazis thrive off, I think violence against Nazis is ok (when they mobilise) because violence has been shown to be most effective in the past and the hatred they propagate only fuels more violence. Debating gives a sense of legitimacy to racial superiority as a political position which inherently encourages the violence against and genocide of "lesser" races.

I'm happy to hear your views.

Yours sincerely,

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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #24033693 - 01/23/17 04:37 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Race hatred gets us nowhere except fighting, war and genocide and its what Nazis thrive off, I think violence against Nazis is ok (when they mobilise) because violence has been shown to be most effective in the past and the hatred they propagate only fuels more violence. Debating gives a sense of legitimacy to racial superiority as a political position which inherently encourages the violence against and genocide of "lesser" races.





"I think violence against Nazis is ok (when the mobilise)"

Define mobilize?  Or you believe in preemptive strikes based on your fears? 

Should the same preemptive strikes also occur on Muslim groups? What about African gangs? 

"racial superiority"

Do you hold the same feelings for Black or Asian groups that feel their race is "superior" in some way?  Or is this violence against this type of mindset exclusive to just white groups?

How do you feel about religious groups that feel they're superior based on their belief system and culture?  Should we violently target Muslims that think all non-Muslims are inferior?  Because "the hatred they propagate only fuels more violence". :shrug:

Sounds like another post filled with double standards and hypocrisy, another good job Tip. :thumbdown:


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Tipote] * 2
    #24033698 - 01/23/17 04:39 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I disagree. You go at them violently and you legitimize them way more than giving them a seat at the table. Let them run their mouths, then you run yours. If you cant win an argument with a nazi then punch yourself in the head.

Everyone plays the victim card nowadays, and you cant give any group a single instance to legitimately claim victimhood. Look at those shithead kids in Chicago who tortured that Trump supporter. Now, until the end of time, every single mention of pro-trump/altright/neonazi violence will be met with a reference to the tortured chicago guy.

Even now, you can see Obama supporters cycling back to the "oh it was bad when obama did it but now its trump so its ok" tagline of sarcasm that Bush supporters used in 08, Clinton supporters in 00, etc.

Stop feeding into the cycle of idiocy. The moral high ground is an absolute. If you do anything to tarnish your image, you lose it. Theres no gray area anymore, too many opinionated fuckwits scouring the internet for ways to reaffirm their beliefs.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Tipote] * 2
    #24033721 - 01/23/17 04:46 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Race hatred gets us nowhere except fighting, war and genocide and its what Nazis thrive off, I think violence against Nazis is ok (when they mobilise) because violence has been shown to be most effective in the past and the hatred they propagate only fuels more violence. Debating gives a sense of legitimacy to racial superiority as a political position which inherently encourages the violence against and genocide of "lesser" races.



I'm happy to hear your views.

Yours sincerely,

Tip



How the fuck is that guy a nazi? In the goddamn interview when he got punched he made it explicitly clear he's not a neonazi and doesn't support neonazism. It was senseless violence against a troll wearing a Pepe pin. Totally uncalled for, and it's disgusting that so many people on the internet think that this guy getting punched is okay


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #24033729 - 01/23/17 04:50 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

i despise richard spencer and his group of hitler loving pricks, although i feel that there must be a better way then to attempt to stop the hate with violence.

its a tricky situation. i have seen facebook posts about this and the comments are complicated. One person said you shouldn't use violence to get your point across and also condemned these nazi but others responded negatively towards this person saying the is no justification for defending anything that happens to this person and if you stand up for him you are part of the problem.

very tricky on finding the proper moral high ground in this situation.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: SleepyE] * 3
    #24033735 - 01/23/17 04:52 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I think it is, I think the left should up both the scale and intensity of their attacks so we really can get some right wing death squads going. It'd be fun mowing down snowflakes :sniper:


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Tipote] * 3
    #24033747 - 01/23/17 04:56 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I don't think instigating violence is justified. If some organized and definable fascists were hypothetically going around lynching people or themselves being violent, by all means shoot em full of holes. The only good fascist is a dead fascist but it still just discredits opposition to start punching people in a previously non-violent discourse.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #24033748 - 01/23/17 04:56 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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i despise richard spencer and his group of hitler loving pricks, although i feel that there must be a better way than to attempt to stop the hate with violence.

its a tricky situation. i have seen facebook posts about this and the comments are complicated. One person said you shouldn't use violence to get your point across and also condemned these nazi but others responded negatively towards this person saying the is no justification for defending anything that happens to this person and if you stand up for him you are part of the problem.

very tricky on finding the proper moral high ground in this situation.




Should violence also be used against Blacklivesmatter's when they spew racial hatred towards whites? 

Why the main focus on white racial groups?


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: qman] * 1
    #24033757 - 01/23/17 04:59 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Ill give you a hint its the jews


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: qman]
    #24033764 - 01/23/17 05:02 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Should violence also be used against Blacklivesmatter's when they spew racial hatred towards whites? 

Why the main focus on white racial groups?



i appreciate these groups and ideas for the good intentions they mean. Unfortunately from what i have read it is often executed poorly and with hypocrisy.

But im sure its only a select few of blacklivematters who contradict what it is supposed to stand for. i really wish things with good intentions didnt have dark repercussions.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #24033774 - 01/23/17 05:05 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I respect your opinion and that perspective and I have been mulling it over. I dont mean that people should be attacked for just talking and I dont think Richard Spencer should have been punched in such a cowardly way but I can't help but share the satisfaction of watching him get punched. I mean rather that groups who mobilise, advocate the genocide of other races, and provocatively march through neighbourhoods of 'undesirables' can be reasonably met with resistance, non-violent and violent.

Debating people who believe in supremacist politics, the jewish conspiracy, and white genocide does not tend to result in change, even if you have shown them to be wrong.

I share your concerns but believe there is a line after which they need to be shut down. I don't advocate violence straight off the bat, but think its reasonable to be in the arsenal.

Orwell himself said that the word fascist or nazi has been used in billions of inappropriate contexts and that would be my concern.

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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Tipote] * 3
    #24033786 - 01/23/17 05:09 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

You're the only one exhibiting Nazi like behaviour with your absolutely violent response to the results of a fair election. If anyone needs to be cut down its the left


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #24033797 - 01/23/17 05:13 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

fuck maybe this whole left vs right bs can be solved by just drawing a line separating the world in to two halves. Left wing on one side and right wing on the other and see which one falls to shit.

my prediction. both will :grin:


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: qman] * 1
    #24033810 - 01/23/17 05:18 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Quote:

Tipote said:
Race hatred gets us nowhere except fighting, war and genocide and its what Nazis thrive off, I think violence against Nazis is ok (when they mobilise) because violence has been shown to be most effective in the past and the hatred they propagate only fuels more violence. Debating gives a sense of legitimacy to racial superiority as a political position which inherently encourages the violence against and genocide of "lesser" races.





"I think violence against Nazis is ok (when the mobilise)"

Define mobilize?  Or you believe in preemptive strikes based on your fears? 

Should the same preemptive strikes also occur on Muslim groups? What about African gangs? 




No, i'm not talking about preemptive strikes, I'm talking about physically resisting against marches in the street of people who advocate the murder of those they see as inferior.

Genuine African gangs and Salafist terrorist groups should be met with all kinds of resistance in the same way. You talk in general terms of anyone living south of the Western world, not about specific fascist groups.

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"racial superiority"

Do you hold the same feelings for Black or Asian groups that feel their race is "superior" in some way?  Or is this violence against this type of mindset exclusive to just white groups?




Yes, i detest race superiority bullshit.

Quote:

How do you feel about religious groups that feel they're superior based on their belief system and culture?  Should we violently target Muslims that think all non-Muslims are inferior?  Because "the hatred they propagate only fuels more violence". :shrug:




no, I'm not talking about violence against those who 'feel superior', i'm talking about those who mobilise and provoke.

Quote:

Sounds like another post filled with double standards and hypocrisy, another good job Tip. :thumbdown:




I appreciate this position is against my nature in many ways. I just think that all other groups uniting against groups who violently try to divide everyone is a good thing.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Tipote]
    #24033815 - 01/23/17 05:20 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Thats hilarious that you support all that stuff when your choices of candidates for the last 8 years funded and organized all those things.

Such cute beliefs.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Webster10]
    #24033818 - 01/23/17 05:22 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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How the fuck is that guy a nazi? In the goddamn interview when he got punched he made it explicitly clear he's not a neonazi and doesn't support neonazism. It was senseless violence against a troll wearing a Pepe pin. Totally uncalled for, and it's disgusting that so many people on the internet think that this guy getting punched is okay




I realise I was unclear in posting that gif next to the point meant more generally. obviously it is this punch that has brought up this debate and i've been hoping to hear everyones opinions here for my own food for thought about the topic in general. I've already said that I wasn't supporting the violence against him but can't say i was miserable to see it. My first impression was that of Ecstatic's but i doubt myself.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #24033819 - 01/23/17 05:23 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Thats hilarious that you support all that stuff when your choices of candidates for the last 8 years funded and organized all those things.

Such cute beliefs.



sorry what are you referring to specifically?


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #24033824 - 01/23/17 05:24 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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You're the only one exhibiting Nazi like behaviour with your absolutely violent response to the results of a fair election. If anyone needs to be cut down its the left




what violent responses to the election am I showing? Are you calling the Trump admin Nazis?


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Tipote] * 2
    #24033832 - 01/23/17 05:27 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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I respect your opinion and that perspective and I have been mulling it over. I dont mean that people should be attacked for just talking and I dont think Richard Spencer should have been punched in such a cowardly way but I can't help but share the satisfaction of watching him get punched. I mean rather that groups who mobilise, advocate the genocide of other races, and provocatively march through neighbourhoods of 'undesirables' can be reasonably met with resistance, non-violent and violent.

Debating people who believe in supremacist politics, the jewish conspiracy, and white genocide does not tend to result in change, even if you have shown them to be wrong.

I share your concerns but believe there is a line after which they need to be shut down. I don't advocate violence straight off the bat, but think its reasonable to be in the arsenal.

Orwell himself said that the word fascist or nazi has been used in billions of inappropriate contexts and that would be my concern.

Battle of Cable Street 1936




"there is a line after they need to be shut down"

So you believe in censorship against people you disagree with?  Should the same standard be for radical Muslim groups in Western nations?

"I don't advocate violence straight off the bat"

Oh, how nice of you to hold off on your violence against groups you disagree with at the moment.

I have to thank you for making this thread and really showing your true colors, you're the violent fascist, you're the one who's intolerant, you're everything you despise.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Tipote]
    #24033835 - 01/23/17 05:28 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Pretty much everything you just said. Hillary was helping run kidnapping rings in Haiti to steal kids. Check out Martin Martelly, Laura Silsby, and the gang galil on google, if you wanna look into it. Shit we even got Kerry on tape saying he wanted to nurture ISIS and all the salafist's so they could use them to topple Al-Assad. Everything you're accusing Trump of doing (he isnt) is what the former administration was doing for years, and you didnt say a peep about it.

You've been living in a lie.


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