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shavas
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How much golden teachers should my GF do?
#24033312 - 01/23/17 01:48 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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My gf has never done shrooms and she wants to try to help reduce her background level of anxiety. I have some homegrown GT that are very strong, I did 3.5 grams last week and it was my strongest mushroom trip ever, just breaking into a level 5 experience I would say. My previous mushroom trip was 10 years ago with 6g and was not nearly as strong. I obvioulsy don't want to give her nearly as strong as a trip as that, but not sure if I should start her at like .5g then slowly work up to a gram and see how it goes? Or do you think a gram or 1.5g would be too strong to start?
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: shavas] 1
#24033346 - 01/23/17 02:01 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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I'd start with 1.5, It seems lower doses then that can be strange for some people.
-------------------- I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: SpaceDawg]
#24033356 - 01/23/17 02:06 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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Ok thanks good to know as I don't have any experience with a 1g dosage. I'll also mention she weighs about 105lbs.
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: shavas]
#24033392 - 01/23/17 02:26 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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The one and only time I've eaten a gram It felt really weird and uncomfortable for me, Like I was stuck in some weird in-between state if that makes sense. Also I might as well note mushrooms can vary wildly from fruit to fruit. What I like to do is take a good amount of mushrooms, how ever many you have, and powder them in a blender and store the powder in mason jars with an oxygen adsorption pack and a silica gel pack. Keeps forever this way and potency will be equal throughout the batch.
-------------------- I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: shavas]
#24033394 - 01/23/17 02:27 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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Thing about it is, you want to take enough to get you 'there', anything less could cause more anxiety when you still have a foot in reality and your ego still has a grasp. Low doses can be good for those with experience, as the effects are recognizable and through experience, it's easier to let go of the ego and surrender to the void.
Easiest thing to do when taking a higher dose is to just give up. The mushroom will always win, the effects last so long the ego gets tired of fighting.
Low doses for beginners can sometimes scare people off. They don't get full effects and are like, 'meh, what's all the fuss about.' When the door to the universe is just around the corner.
We're only dipping our toes in with the 'heroic dose' of 5 dry grams. The waters are deep, and dark, and very scary. These things are not easy and are not fun. People take piss ass amounts and say 'yeah, I've eaten mushrooms' just to say they have. Sure, it's all fine to take them for recreational reasons, but respect should be had and care should be taken, no matter what dose.
It's good to have a sober tripper or if you're able to handle yourself at sea, take a light dose along with and ride the waves. You can set examples of things to look for, things to do to calm yourself, share ideas, share emotions, and be somewhat of a ground control.
No matter how much, you're gonna come down, eventually.

IMO, give her 3.5 to give her a chance to see a little of what's it's all about. Could even start with 5 if she thinks she can keep cool. Better lock the doors though. 
But yeah, start low and work your way up. It's not a race or pissing contest.
In the end, it should be up to her. Have her do her own research and decide how deep she wants to venture.

-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: HamHead]
#24033410 - 01/23/17 02:33 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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IMO that is bad advice ^^, people starting out should do a small dose (1 - 2g max) in order to get the feel of the experience. After that I believe its up to the user to determine how "deep" they want to go.
Now don't get me wrong, I subscribe to the idea of "Go big or go home" but not for unexperienced people.
A 3.5 experience might just be too much for some people and can completely turn someone away from such a liberating and enlightening experience.
Good luck OP and if you will, let us know how it goes!
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: Sham87]
#24033451 - 01/23/17 02:58 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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Sham87 said: IMO that is bad advice ^^, people starting out should do a small dose (1 - 2g max) in order to get the feel of the experience. After that I believe its up to the user to determine how "deep" they want to go.
Now don't get me wrong, I subscribe to the idea of "Go big or go home" but not for unexperienced people.
A 3.5 experience might just be too much for some people and can completely turn someone away from such a liberating and enlightening experience.
Good luck OP and if you will, let us know how it goes!
Yeah, society is obsessed with safety.
Like I said, do the research for your self.
The idea is to have the liberating experience the first time, which IMO, is difficult to do on a low dose of 1-2 grams.
I did a lemon tek of 2 grams for my girlfriends first time, and yeah I am well aware of potency and all that, but she said she felt mostly sober the whole time. I know she got a good dose because I could see she was sorta zonked out after about 3-4 hours. No visuals or anything, but a mind fuck none the less.
When the room is moving and you're trying to stay afloat on your bed, the mind can be clear and still.
OP, do what you feel is right. And even then, it's up to your girl.
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: Sham87]
#24033455 - 01/23/17 03:00 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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Thanks everyone for your valuable opinions. We're leaving for vacay this week so I'll update you guys after we get back next week and she tries them. I thinking 1-2g as she's pretty small and I think it should give her a chance to get her toes wet and a little experience of the ego dropping away.
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: shavas]
#24033470 - 01/23/17 03:04 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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shavas said: Thanks everyone for your valuable opinions. We're leaving for vacay this week so I'll update you guys after we get back next week and she tries them. I thinking 1-2g as she's pretty small and I think it should give her a chance to get her toes wet and a little experience of the ego dropping away.
See, that's the thing. If the dose is too low, the ego doesn't drop away.
I'm just sayin.
Still, do what you want.
Be safe.
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: HamHead]
#24033516 - 01/23/17 03:18 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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shavas said: Thanks everyone for your valuable opinions. We're leaving for vacay this week so I'll update you guys after we get back next week and she tries them. I thinking 1-2g as she's pretty small and I think it should give her a chance to get her toes wet and a little experience of the ego dropping away.
See, that's the thing. If the dose is too low, the ego doesn't drop away.
I'm just sayin.
Still, do what you want.
Be safe.
Yeah I know what you mean about the ego not dropping away. By percentage of body weight if she did an equivalent dose to the 3.5g that blew my mind away she would have to do about 2.4g. I'm going to grind a bunch up also so the strength is consistent throughout.
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: shavas]
#24033549 - 01/23/17 03:30 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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shavas said: I'm going to grind a bunch up also so the strength is consistent throughout.
-------------------- The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF This online first version has been peer-reviewed, accepted and edited, but not formatted and finalized with corrections from authors and proofreaders https://www.icandecide.org/
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: shavas]
#24033560 - 01/23/17 03:36 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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Sorry but I don't really believe your shrooms can be that strong. I've gotten a solid Level 3 from 0.9 before....shit happens. Point is just because they're dank af doesn't mean I would advise taking any less than you normally would.
I'd still recommend 2.5 and as for that guy who said it's always good to start low I completely disagree. Why would it be better to start low? To me it just sounds like people are making overly pragmatic assumptions about how this stuff works. Less doesn't necessarily mean easier to handle and certain doses are just not at all optimal for beginners and many of these doses I would say are low doses.
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AuroraBorealis88 said: Sorry but I don't really believe your shrooms can be that strong. I've gotten a solid Level 3 from 0.9 before....shit happens. Point is just because they're dank af doesn't mean I would advise taking any less than you normally would.
I'd still recommend 2.5 and as for that guy who said it's always good to start low I completely disagree. Why would it be better to start low? To me it just sounds like people are making overly pragmatic assumptions about how this stuff works. Less doesn't necessarily mean easier to handle and certain doses are just not at all optimal for beginners and many of these doses I would say are low doses.
Mind you I hadn't done shrooms in 10 years but I know what a knockout experience on DMT, ketamine and LSD is like so I was really surprised at the effect I got off this relatively normal 3.5g dosage. Aspects were very DMT like but much longer lasting. I had also fasted for 16 hours before hand so had a completely empty stomach. Perhaps you would have had a much lower level experience off the same shrooms. My Gf now says she thinks 2g is probably good and is quite entertained at reading your guys's responses. I think 2.4 would be the top dosage I would recommend for her, so we'll see what we end up going with in the next 1.5 weeks or so!
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: shavas]
#24033740 - 01/23/17 04:53 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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3 grams for me is when things start to but below that shouldn't be too pushy. If you know what I mean. You can still go really deep on 2.5 grams if you will it along. But for me starting at 3 grams is like a carnie grabbing you by the balls looking you straight in the eyes and saying "you bought the ticket, you're taking the ride, there's no turning back now!" That is great too, but could be off putting to a greenhorn.
-------------------- I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: SpaceDawg]
#24033788 - 01/23/17 05:11 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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1.7 would be a nice taste
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: dreaz]
#24033963 - 01/23/17 06:09 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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I started myself at 3.5g and I start everyone off at 3.5g.
seriously wouldn't bother with a gram. if you're going to take a trip, trip, don't pussyfoot around.
If you don't want to trip it may not be for you. Take a gram and feel stoned, not 'a trip'.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: shavas]
#24036489 - 01/24/17 04:11 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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shavas said: Aspects were very DMT like but much longer lasting.
Well mushrooms in general can just be like that. I've heard people even say that eighth trips feels more DMT-ish to them than higher doses of mushrooms so what you're experiencing isn't that surprising I don't think. She should be good with 2 grams.
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Damn, those teachers are hellish shrooms.
I prefere EQ or B+ for a smoother, nearly MDMA like ride. Be careful with those teachers, I dunno if they are the right choice to fight anxiety in the first place. I consider them more suitable for later trips. However, others will say a cube is a cube. I disagree.
Keep the dose low, but not too low like the others said. Choose a safe spot and keep it just the two of you. If she has anxiety problems, deeper things can come to life. Be prepared for that, which means think about that before the trip and don´t fly to high for yourself. You need to be able to handle things (the good and the bad ones). 
I think a safe way (and I almost always made good experiences with that, when introducing people to shrooms) is 2g. You have reasonable effects, you do not drop in and out the worlds but have a stable trip and on the other hand its still good to handle.
I see the pros of going deep the first time, but in my opinion, this is more of a gamble than staying safe. Especially when anxiety plays a role, you could scare here of a extremely beneficial substance (when used responsibly).
So all in all, I would agree with your choice.
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: DerPda]
#24039958 - 01/25/17 10:07 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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DerPda said: Damn, those teachers are hellish shrooms.
I prefere EQ or B+ for a smoother, nearly MDMA like ride. Be careful with those teachers, I dunno if they are the right choice to fight anxiety in the first place. I consider them more suitable for later trips. However, others will say a cube is a cube. I disagree.
Keep the dose low, but not too low like the others said. Choose a safe spot and keep it just the two of you. If she has anxiety problems, deeper things can come to life. Be prepared for that, which means think about that before the trip and don´t fly to high for yourself. You need to be able to handle things (the good and the bad ones). 
I think a safe way (and I almost always made good experiences with that, when introducing people to shrooms) is 2g. You have reasonable effects, you do not drop in and out the worlds but have a stable trip and on the other hand its still good to handle.
I see the pros of going deep the first time, but in my opinion, this is more of a gamble than staying safe. Especially when anxiety plays a role, you could scare here of a extremely beneficial substance (when used responsibly).
So all in all, I would agree with your choice.
Thanks! I didn't know teachers could give a harsher trip compared to eq or cubes. I'll get some eq spores to grow next when I get back from vacation. I'm definitely going to do a lower dose for myself next time lol. So is your best recommendation for a smooth trip? And I will be completely straight when I sit for her and it will be just the two of us. Nice, quiet, clean, safe environment.
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: shavas]
#24041241 - 01/26/17 01:02 PM (7 years, 4 days ago) |
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That is really just my personal experience and for sure many would disagree. I tried Teachers and also EQ several times and regardless of my set and setting, the associations were much warmer and cuddlier with EQ. Teachers give me more earthy, darker visions. I get underwater or african savanna visions from EQ, while the teachers always have this nativ indian style.^^ I like both but I find those EQ easier to handle and use the Teachers, to explore the dark side. I had B+ only once, but found them to have a definite sexual component. You could consider not being completely sober. You can experience great effects together, e.g. telepathy like thinking and joint visions.
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: DerPda]
#24043751 - 01/27/17 01:07 PM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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1g
Go slow, it's easier to go up than down. Bad trips can be caused by a too high dose, which is something you don't want for your GF.
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: Exotic]
#24043762 - 01/27/17 01:11 PM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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Exotic said: Go slow, it's easier to go up than down. Bad trips can be caused by a too high dose, which is something you don't want for your GF.
Bad trips can be caused by many things and rarely is it because of the dose. Also saying "it's easier to go up than down" makes no sense. You mean with dosing? I hope you're not talking about experience in general.
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Trips are tough sometimes, but IMO, never bad.
You can go through rough times tripping, just like you can have hard times in life. It's up to you how you decide to show up to the occasion.
Mushrooms amplify emotions, all of them. What people don't realize is that we are all emotions, all at once. Many are suppressed by the subconscious/ego. When the ego is broken down, the emotions have no resistance to swell, like a tsunami, and the otherwise uncomfortable emotions or thoughts can wash over you and be very overwhelming.
It is up to your own mind to calm its self and to recognize the emotions as they swell and recede.
The set is a little more important than the setting. Both are important, but how you go into each experience will have a large impact on the direction of the experience.
An experienced psyconaught will recognize when a trip is beginning to turn south and will have the know how to pull through the deepest rabbit holes, come out the other side and say, 'that was fucking intense. What can I learn from it?'.
And IME, when you're having a rough or tough time, the best thing I've found to do is to just lay down and give up. Just let go and let your ego die. When there is no ego, there are no thoughts, so in a way you can reset your thought patterns and get out of thought loops or negative thought patterns.
Feeling like you've died and come back, over and over again just laying in bed with the lights out, can really make you step back and put a microscope on your life. What you do with this information and the changes you make is up to you, for better or for worse.
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Re: How much golden teachers should my GF do? [Re: HamHead]
#24044289 - 01/27/17 03:44 PM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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If your lady likes the shrooms, you can also use them for behavioral training. This is something to consider when she is more experienced. Find out, which situations cause her anxiety. She can then take a low dose and expose herself to that situation step by step and slowly. Go as far as she feels comfortable and then a little further. Not to far though. The idea is, to leave the personal comfort zone step by step and each time a little more. This works sober as well of course but with shrooms it might be like altitude training, more effective. Also it could be easier to recognize, that there is nothing which needs to be feared.
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