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Torture as interrogation
    #24032643 - 01/23/17 07:25 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Can torture be an effective form of interrogation?


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: stzacrack] * 1
    #24032647 - 01/23/17 07:27 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

No...though the threat of torture might be. Anything that is said while under torture can't be taken as fact.


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: trendal]
    #24032651 - 01/23/17 07:32 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I guess my thought was using torture as an interrogation tactic in warfare or in matters of "national security" abroad

Would anyone support torture as a means of saving hundreds/thousands of lives if the information gained from the interrogation is hypothetically used to deter major threats to a nation or peoples?


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: trendal]
    #24032661 - 01/23/17 07:45 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Anything that is said while under torture can't be taken as fact.




No, but depending on the claim, it might still be possible to verify the information independently (something that generally should be done anyway before accepting someone's claims as fact). Not that I'm in favor of torture.


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: stzacrack]
    #24032663 - 01/23/17 07:46 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

you cant use hypotheticals like that because theyre not accurate. no 9/11 has ever been stopped cuz someone was tortured. they may turn out to be innocent. what do you do? let him go? let him go back to all his friends and tell them america tortured him for not doing anything? as if they dont hate us enough already.
theres just no way you can know that torturing this person is going to lead anywhere.


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: Near Dylan]
    #24032668 - 01/23/17 07:51 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Who said anything about 9/11 or the US?

And I doubt a civilian would gain any knowledge of a prisoners torture or the information "gained" or a threat that was hindered from that info


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: stzacrack]
    #24032674 - 01/23/17 07:56 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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trendal said:
And I doubt a civilian would gain any knowledge of a prisoners torture



:smugjerry:


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: PatrickKn]
    #24032679 - 01/23/17 08:00 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Quote:

trendal said:
And I doubt a civilian would gain any knowledge of a prisoners torture



:smugjerry:




For the record, I didn't say that :rolleyes:


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: PatrickKn]
    #24032682 - 01/23/17 08:01 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

?

An operative captures another countries asset, conducts an interrogation in a clandestine location, how would the exchange that happens ever reach someone who isn't involved in that op?

I guess I should add that I don't endorse the torture of captured pow's, but I can't say that Im certain that torture has no value in these situations


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: stzacrack]
    #24032685 - 01/23/17 08:04 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Who said anything about 9/11 or the US?

And I doubt a civilian would gain any knowledge of a prisoners torture or the information "gained" or a threat that was hindered from that info



you missed my point


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: stzacrack]
    #24032687 - 01/23/17 08:07 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Well it's only effective in terms of getting the tortured person to speak the lines the torturer wants to hear. It has time and again been shown to make most people confess anything really. Scaring might work better than physical torture as was stated earlier.

I heard my grandfather and his buddies scared information out of Russian prisoners at war by using a viper in a glass bottle. They tortured the snake more than the prisoner. They heated up the bottle over a fire, which really pissed off the snake, then held the cap just a tiny bit ajar while holding the bottleneck in front of the prisoners eyes while interrogating.

I would rather look into different incapacitating agents and psychological methods of getting people to talk. I mean people on booze already say lots of stuff they normally wouldn't.


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: stzacrack]
    #24032700 - 01/23/17 08:19 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

You can get anybody to admit to anything with enough torture, so no. :mushroom2:


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: Reprobate420]
    #24032838 - 01/23/17 09:43 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Yes, if done right


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: trendal]
    #24032858 - 01/23/17 09:49 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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trendal said:
No...though the threat of torture might be. Anything that is said while under torture can't be taken as fact.





that is why any confessions obtained under interrogation are checked out either by
verified intelligence reports or through on site verification. the problem with
torture is that when you capture them you have about 12 hours to get information and
act, any information obtained after 72 hours is typically going to be invalid anyway
unless you're dealing with complete fuckwits


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24032879 - 01/23/17 09:58 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Torture is how Kings destroyed coup attemps


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: Patlal]
    #24032882 - 01/23/17 10:00 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I prefer truth serum.


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Re: Torture as interrogation [Re: SARAtonin]
    #24032889 - 01/23/17 10:06 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I prefer baseball bat to the knee.

To each his own I guess


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