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dan17511
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Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question
#2403202 - 03/04/04 02:51 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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I was wondering whether I could do a casing with the following layer. In order from top.
1/2 inch 50/50 mix crumbled PF cake 1 inch worm casing 1/2 inch 50/50 mix.
It this a good idea. Will the worm casing increase the yeild.
Will it also take longer to colonize.
Thanks, dan17511
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: dan17511]
#2403331 - 03/04/04 03:24 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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I would mix the worm casing and the crumbled cakes together.. that will speed the colonization alot and cut on the chance of contaminations.
don't use 1/2 inch of top casing either. use about 1/8th or less and then just patch as needed. 1/2 inch of casing will take a long time to colonize and it will probably hurt your flush than help it.
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dan17511
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: ]
#2403350 - 03/04/04 03:28 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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HEY,
SHould I Pressure Cook the worm casing. if so, how long.
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Mister Black
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: dan17511]
#2403401 - 03/04/04 03:43 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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I just put mine in a bag and microwave it for about 10 minutes (for approx 10lbs). Mixing worm castings and coir or vermiculite helps to keep it all from drying out.
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: dan17511]
#2403416 - 03/04/04 03:46 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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I never used worm casing before. I am more of a textbook kinda guy on worm casings. I just couldn't put worms to work like that.
I think you would pasterize it but sterilize couldn't hurt either.
BTW, did you make your own or buy it?
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dan17511
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: ]
#2403434 - 03/04/04 03:50 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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Bought it
See any problems
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Mister Black
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: ]
#2403437 - 03/04/04 03:50 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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Is that a dog's ass on the far left of your avatar?
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: Mister Black]
#2403454 - 03/04/04 03:54 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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Quote:
Mister Black said: Is that a dog's ass on the far left of your avatar?
nope.... thats me..... why did you say that? are you joking with me?
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: dan17511]
#2403466 - 03/04/04 03:56 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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nah, no problems over here. I was just wondering. as along as it doesn't have eny chemicals in it your safe.
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Mister Black
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: ]
#2403494 - 03/04/04 04:07 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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Not the middle left, the Far left. I know thats you. Or at least, I know thats a person and not a dogs ass. Perhaps this will better illustrate.
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: Mister Black]
#2403500 - 03/04/04 04:10 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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lol it does look like a dogs arse
On topic, sorry, i havent used wormcasings.
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: Mister Black]
#2403547 - 03/04/04 04:27 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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umm thats a paper bag. I don't have a dog. its does look like a dog ass though. I wish I knew what was in the bag though.
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Mister Black
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: ]
#2403557 - 03/04/04 04:32 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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L O L .
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: Mister Black]
#2403601 - 03/04/04 04:47 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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I want to apologize, I am a OTD and gathering mod also.. I will always go off topic as its in my nature now. P.S. like this post, it has nothing to do with this thread but I am posting to clarify myself.
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dan17511
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: ]
#2403730 - 03/04/04 05:33 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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I got 2 pf cakes in 1/2 pint jars. HOW much will that cover, how big of a casing should I make.
Thanks. dan17511
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Anonymous
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: dan17511]
#2403769 - 03/04/04 05:44 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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*shruggs
1:10 is the ratio I believe. so for every one 1/2 pint cake, you can use 10 1/2 pints of worm casing. hope that helps.
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dan17511
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: ]
#2403868 - 03/04/04 06:17 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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MISTER BLACK:
How much Coir do you mix with your wormcasing.
Also, How thick should the (wormcasing/crumbled 1/2 PFJar) be.
thanks, dan17511
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: dan17511]
#2404012 - 03/04/04 06:59 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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20% is a good amount to add to manure. so I figure the same.
>How thick should the (wormcasing/crumbled 1/2 PFJar) be.
make it as thick as you want! dude, it all depends on the side of your pan your using to make a substrate(wormcasing/crumbled 1/2 PFJar). I have seen 1" flat casing get great flushes and I have seen 5 inch casings get great flushes. paul stamets recommends you make the substrate(wormcasing/crumbled 1/2 PFJar) about 5-6 inchs deep. that will yeild the best flush or the hardy flush.
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: ]
#2404224 - 03/04/04 07:52 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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Another quick question.
About how long will it take to start fruitng, uses 2 1/2 PF cakes in this situation. Does a deeper substrate mean a longer time to fruit.
thanks. dan17511
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: dan17511]
#2404307 - 03/04/04 08:14 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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you need to put it back in the incubator and let it colonize first.. then case it. then place it back into the incubator chamber again and patch up the holes.(total time 1-4 weeks)
then place in fruit chamber. give it opitium temps.(1-2 weeks)
that whole process can be from 2 weeks all the way up to 6 weeks. it depends on how it works out and if you give it the best temps. on average it take about 3-4 weeks till you start seeing pins.
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: ]
#2404432 - 03/04/04 08:45 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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Not sure, but I think worm casings is a nutritious substance. Never "CASE" with anything nutritious, so the top layer would be a great idea. Basically what you are doing is bulk with a casing layer. I know it is called "worm casings" but they are not for use as a casing. Anytime you place a nutritious layer of anything, anywhere, you invite contams. So since it is a bulk run, I would recommend mixing in the worm casing with your spawn, then casing that. Hope this is helpful. -puggy
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: puggymalone]
#2404531 - 03/04/04 09:11 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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first of all it's worm CASTINGS, and he said he's casing with 50/50. My friend mixes casting 1/1 with coarse verm and pastuerizes by putting in a pillow case in a bucket and pouring on boiling water. This is hung outside to dry and spawned at about 1 half-pint per pound of verm/coir. dump into a rubbermade and colonizes in about 1 week depending on the air temp.
SM
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: puggymalone]
#2404536 - 03/04/04 09:12 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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was that directed towarsd me? I know what a casing is. did I mis use the term somewhere. I though he understood you mix the wormcasing and PF jars together., then apply a casing layer on top to provide moisture.
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: ]
#2404615 - 03/04/04 09:30 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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Hello everyone, Ignore me tonight, completely drunk:) Just doing my part to make myself look like an idiot:) I was thinking he wanted to case with the stuff, and I do think it is nutritious?? my bad,
nope zero, not at you. I was just typing because I am bored and don't want to walk to the bar a block away!! -puggy
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: dan17511]
#2404631 - 03/04/04 09:34 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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Did we already cover the fact that if you use Wormcastings you are doing a bulk substrate inoc......... ? Let it colonize and then you add a "CASING" layer of either peat or cocco coir verm mixtures . Good Luck
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: tripndicular]
#2404639 - 03/04/04 09:37 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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yes it was covered in dan's first post!
sM
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: puggymalone]
#2404647 - 03/04/04 09:40 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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puggymalone said: Not sure, but I think worm casings is a nutritious substance. Never "CASE" with anything nutritious, so the top layer would be a great idea. Basically what you are doing is bulk with a casing layer. I know it is called "worm casings" but they are not for use as a casing. Anytime you place a nutritious layer of anything, anywhere, you invite contams. So since it is a bulk run, I would recommend mixing in the worm casing with your spawn, then casing that. Hope this is helpful. -puggy
Worm castings make an excellent substrate , you should add some verm to it , can even mix in some hay , it is PH balanced , full of nutes mushies love .
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: simplemachine]
#2404652 - 03/04/04 09:41 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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Again, sorry, didn't read through all of them:( I will poor boiling water over my balls twice for punishment. Just skipped to the end and tried to help out:) -puggy
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: dan17511]
#2404662 - 03/04/04 09:44 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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Quote:
dan17511 said: Another quick question.
About how long will it take to start fruitng, uses 2 1/2 PF cakes in this situation. Does a deeper substrate mean a longer time to fruit.
thanks. dan17511
Yes the deeper the sub the longer to colonize , then you have to wait for casing layer to colonize , so when it friuts all depends on how fast it colonizes . The deeper the sub also means more yeild ... the more nutes available always means more mushies , well at least thats the master plan , whether it happens or not is all up to the Mushroom Goddess "May The Mushroom Goddess Bless Alll Your Endeavors !" Trip n D
-------------------- Any information I give is not intended to aide you in the production of potentialy illegal substances !None of my exp comes from growing illegal varities , so take it as you will . So with that said here is our mission statement . Then the priest fell into a trance or swoon,& said unto the Queen of heaven ; Write unto us the ordeals; write unto us the rituals; write unto us the law !
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: puggymalone]
#2404680 - 03/04/04 09:48 PM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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puggymalone said: Again, sorry, didn't read through all of them:( I will poor boiling water over my balls twice for punishment. Just skipped to the end and tried to help out:) -puggy
Send pics of the fully cooked nuts And to answer the question way back when about PCing castings , Cousin IT normally pcs his for 1 hour at 250*F 15 psi , this is sterilizing , some will say is more risky , but it works for Cousin IT . Good Luck to all and To All Good Night Trip n D
-------------------- Any information I give is not intended to aide you in the production of potentialy illegal substances !None of my exp comes from growing illegal varities , so take it as you will . So with that said here is our mission statement . Then the priest fell into a trance or swoon,& said unto the Queen of heaven ; Write unto us the ordeals; write unto us the rituals; write unto us the law !
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: puggymalone]
#2405463 - 03/05/04 01:10 AM (20 years, 19 days ago) |
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puggymalone said: Again, sorry, didn't read through all of them:( I will poor boiling water over my balls twice for punishment. Just skipped to the end and tried to help out:) -puggy
Yes that is an exellent example of pastuerization vs sterilization... had puggy put his nuts in the microwave for 10 minutes it would kill off all the beneficial microrganisms in his spooge. By exposing his nuts too a few minutes of hot, boiled water he has effectively pastuerized his man seed while leaving the beneficial microrganisms alive to help keep down the contams. SM
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: simplemachine]
#2405805 - 03/05/04 11:56 PM (20 years, 18 days ago) |
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Actually the boiling water is almost 60 F too hot for effective pasturization! The 210F would have killed most of the crabs, I mean benificial oganisms on my thong strap. (yes, men can where thongs:)) The problem with the microwave is that I can't get the door to close around the extra skin, i.e. it gets stuck in the latching mechanism. -puggy
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: dan17511]
#2407161 - 03/08/04 01:03 PM (20 years, 15 days ago) |
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: ralphster44]
#2407848 - 03/08/04 04:10 PM (20 years, 15 days ago) |
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thanks ralphie! thats a good log...
SM
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Re: Casing with Wormcasing - A quick question [Re: simplemachine]
#10922078 - 08/23/09 07:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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My cat recently experimented with worm casTings and found that nuking a casserole dish full for 3-4 minutes brings it around to correct pasteurization temps (150-170 F).
Prior to that, my cat did a lot of research on this site about worm casTings. He found one guy who even used them unpasteurized with success. Apparently they are pretty good at resisting contams. Boiling/sterilizing them probably does more harm than good.
He found that most people recommended casTings as a substrate additive, usually with straw. Recommended ratio's varied from 20% to 50% casTings, with most settling somewhere in the middle of that.
A foaf recently spawned grain to casTings/straw for the first time. They're doing really good. Here's the link: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10823069 .
After more research he discovered that he probably should have made the top layer of sub casTings instead of grain spawn (RR warns putting spawn on top may invite contams). But they seem to be doing really well regardless.
-------------------- The above post is fictional, hypothetical, or downright nonsensical.
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