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OfflineMental Slavery
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I want to stop searching
    #24031768 - 01/22/17 08:09 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Within is me is an unending want. A striving for something else. Nothing anywhere can satisfy it. All routes and paths lead to more routes and paths. i want a dead end. And i want it to stop.

If i try to stop the search, i am still searching, searching for a stop.


And now Im here, on the shroomery. Searching desperately for a way to stop searching. Search is all that i know. Every action i take to rid myself of this unending want, is just another expression of it. I cannot escape it. I am chasing my own tail and i am very aware of this. It completely encompasses my entire being. It is my entire being. Its all that i am.   

I am the act of searching, and all that i want is to escape myself. But this want of escaping myself, only creates more self

sorry if this is hard to follow, i hope somebody will get the jist


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery] * 1
    #24031904 - 01/22/17 08:50 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

You are well understood, only a sincere seeker can come to where you are now.

I am so happy you have come to this understanding.
Millions of lives can pass by with one never reaching this far.
It is a loop! You found the loop. :lol:

The mind has taken you as far as it can.
(quite a ride wasn't it?)
Time has also come to an end for you.
Time and mind are one.

So where have you been seeking? What are your sources? What was your seeking for?
What is at the end of your seeking? How far is it?


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Tmethyl]
    #24031974 - 01/22/17 09:12 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

End the "seeking" and start "seeing" instead


Edited by GoldenSoulKing (01/22/17 09:13 PM)


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: GoldenSoulKing]
    #24031981 - 01/22/17 09:21 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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GoldenSoulKing said:
End the "seeking" and start "seeing" instead



Yes, recognize your position. You are not a person, the person is a modulation of yourself.
You are prior to the person, much like a canvas is prior to a painting.

"I" am a "person".
(1) I am (2) a person
"I am" is the presence of consciousness.
"A person" is the mask it wears in order to experience the world as such.
The world is not many entities experiencing one world, the world is one entity experiencing many persons, it's name is "I".
You are that.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Tmethyl]
    #24032022 - 01/22/17 09:45 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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Tmethyl said:
Quote:

GoldenSoulKing said:
End the "seeking" and start "seeing" instead



Yes, recognize your position. You are not a person, the person is a modulation of yourself.
You are prior to the person, much like a canvas is prior to a painting.

"I" am a "person".
(1) I am (2) a person
"I am" is the presence of consciousness.
"A person" is the mask it wears in order to experience the world as such.
The world is not many entities experiencing one world, the world is one entity experiencing many persons, it's name is "I".
You are that.




Oh my! Couldn't have worded it better myself. Still we seek because we secretly enjoy being led astray from ourselves. Although what I think you should try to do is to settle into what is happening in/around you as opposed to seeking something outside of whats already happening. It's a bit like breathing. You don't seek to breathe. It just happens. Most of meditation is based around this observation.

I would also add you should try phrasing the question differently. Some questions and acts  are very circular and hard to get out of.

Also don't forget to relax and not be so hard on yourself.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: GoldenSoulKing] * 1
    #24032031 - 01/22/17 09:49 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

What you are looking for, is where you are looking from.

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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Tmethyl]
    #24032146 - 01/22/17 10:49 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

What are these riddles?

i need to stop tripping

no more psychs


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery] * 2
    #24032389 - 01/23/17 01:50 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

perhaps this is useful ...

"The Sound Of Silence -- by Ajahn Sumedho
As you calm down, you can experience the sound of silence in the mind. You hear it as a kind of high frequency sound, a ringing sound that's always there. It is just normally never noticed. Now when you begin to hear that sound of silence, it's a sign of emptiness — of silence of the mind. It’s something you can always turn to. As you concentrate on it and turn to it, it can make you quite peaceful and blissful. Meditating on that, you have a way of letting the conditions of the mind cease without suppressing them with another condition. Otherwise you just end up putting one condition over another."

full free text here:

http://www.bahaistudies.net/asma/soundofsilence.pdf

this link downloads a 190 pg free book pdf by him

http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/intuitive-awareness.pdf

also by Ajahn Amaro|

http://www.lionsroar.com/the-sound-of-silence/


Edited by laughingdog (01/23/17 02:06 AM)


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery] * 1
    #24032450 - 01/23/17 03:28 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Mental Slavery said:
Within is me is an unending want. A striving for something else. Nothing anywhere can satisfy it. All routes and paths lead to more routes and paths. i want a dead end. And i want it to stop.

If i try to stop the search, i am still searching, searching for a stop.


And now Im here, on the shroomery. Searching desperately for a way to stop searching. Search is all that i know. Every action i take to rid myself of this unending want, is just another expression of it. I cannot escape it. I am chasing my own tail and i am very aware of this. It completely encompasses my entire being. It is my entire being. Its all that i am.   

I am the act of searching, and all that i want is to escape myself. But this want of escaping myself, only creates more self

sorry if this is hard to follow, i hope somebody will get the jist





what you see/have made into a problem, I see as the joy of learning,and surprise, and understanding that learning and surprise is never ending.

By never-ending I do not mean that in a linear way. It is rather that learning is cyclic.

Life is mystery, is mysterious. There is ALWAYS a dynamic of knowing and unknown. You cannot ever know everything because that would be static and dead and absurd.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24032563 - 01/23/17 06:01 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Mental Slavery said:
Within is me is an unending want. A striving for something else. Nothing anywhere can satisfy it. All routes and paths lead to more routes and paths. i want a dead end. And i want it to stop.

If i try to stop the search, i am still searching, searching for a stop.


And now Im here, on the shroomery. Searching desperately for a way to stop searching. Search is all that i know. Every action i take to rid myself of this unending want, is just another expression of it. I cannot escape it. I am chasing my own tail and i am very aware of this. It completely encompasses my entire being. It is my entire being. Its all that i am.   

I am the act of searching, and all that i want is to escape myself. But this want of escaping myself, only creates more self

sorry if this is hard to follow, i hope somebody will get the jist




What is it you want?  The reason you are going in circles, and chasing your own tail, is you have no clear criteria or objectives to your search. 

Hey, it's you search, stop and rest, lay down in the snow for all I care.  Life is tough, and if you want it to all end and soon, then there's always that option.

For a real seeker to discuss searching with a wanderer is counterproductive.

Goodbye.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery] * 1
    #24032714 - 01/23/17 08:35 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Mental Slavery said:
What are these riddles?

i need to stop tripping

no more psychs





Best suggestion in the thread.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24032810 - 01/23/17 09:31 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

There are different things to want and you want what is most desirable. You want to escape. You want to be at peace. They are the same but one is more desperate and less willing to change focus.

The bad news is you can't get there from here. Lower your immediate expectations. At least then you will want things you can get, and perhaps learn something useful along the way.

Step 1, learn to be comfortable with yourself just the way you are. Step 2... it's all in my sig and similar to Maslow's heirarchy.

Basically this desire you have, there is no avenue for instant gratification of it. Instead you must learn patience to a fine degree, and hopefully have some fun in the process.

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Mental Slavery said:
Within is me is an unending want. A striving for something else. Nothing anywhere can satisfy it. All routes and paths lead to more routes and paths. i want a dead end. And i want it to stop.

If i try to stop the search, i am still searching, searching for a stop.


And now Im here, on the shroomery. Searching desperately for a way to stop searching. Search is all that i know. Every action i take to rid myself of this unending want, is just another expression of it. I cannot escape it. I am chasing my own tail and i am very aware of this. It completely encompasses my entire being. It is my entire being. Its all that i am.   

I am the act of searching, and all that i want is to escape myself. But this want of escaping myself, only creates more self

sorry if this is hard to follow, i hope somebody will get the jist




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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Rahz] * 2
    #24032837 - 01/23/17 09:43 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

“The cost of anticipating
The next moment is that
This moment is lost.” 
-Wu  Hsin

Seeking is anticipation.
Do nothing.
Do nothing.
And there you are. :lol:
You are only here now.
How to seek now?
It is all that ever is.
More instant than instant, it already is.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Tmethyl]
    #24032892 - 01/23/17 10:06 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Tmethyl said:
“The cost of anticipating
The next moment is that
This moment is lost.” 
-Wu  Hsin

Seeking is anticipation.
Do nothing.
Do nothing.
And there you are. :lol:
You are only here now.
How to seek now?
It is all that ever is.
More instant than instant, it already is.




Anticipation.



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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Tmethyl] * 1
    #24032925 - 01/23/17 10:21 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Tmethyl said:
“The cost of anticipating
The next moment is that
This moment is lost.” 
-Wu  Hsin

Seeking is anticipation.
Do nothing.
Do nothing.
And there you are. :lol:
You are only here now.
How to seek now?
It is all that ever is.
More instant than instant, it already is.




Everybody has to do something. Sometimes the anticipation is part of the fun, depending on what is being anticipated. Anticipating enlightenment is problematic. Anticipating anything that isn't realistic is problematic. But how does a person know whether a thing is realistic?


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Rahz]
    #24032943 - 01/23/17 10:30 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

A person isn't real by definition.  A person is a mask, a character in a play.  It's a legal term as well because once you agree to be that person all sorts of mayhem can ensue.  In particular once you appear out of the blue in court, and agree to be that person, you are entirely screwed.  Notice this was entirely voluntary, the court will never ask you for ID.  Of course, they can hit you with failure to appear, testing once again whether you are you or are a person.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24032956 - 01/23/17 10:40 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I appreciate semantics but don't see the relevance here.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24032993 - 01/23/17 11:02 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Double yeah :wink:
1. Desire is suffering (Buddha)
2. Learning/searching is cyclic, but you need the third dimension here. Everytime you learn something (make a true conclusion), the circle of searching is 'lifted' a little bit (because it can set on optimized 'facts' where to look from/to), so the circle, in fact in 3-d spyce, is a spiral
3. and you are the one, setting the direction where the spiral spirals to
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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Rahz]
    #24032995 - 01/23/17 11:02 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

the mind will always be in seeking mode. just have to  :blewmeanie:


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #24033110 - 01/23/17 12:19 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Rahz said:
But how does a person know whether a thing is realistic?



Only one thing in your entire life has ever been real.
What is the one thing that was the same when you were 5 years old and is the same now?
It is the same in times of stress and the same in times of bliss.
In fact it was the same before your so called birth and will be the same after your so called death.

Your birth is like a wave rising out of the ocean, it comes to a peak, then starts sinking back into the ocean and you call this death.
But a wave is water, and the ocean is water. How does a wave die?
Perhaps there never really was a wave, just ocean in the shape of one.

Your ocean right now is awareness.
Your body is made of awareness, your thoughts are made of awareness, your pain your suffering and your joy are made of awareness.
Awareness, consciousness, I, God, here and now, peace, happiness, are all the same thing; attempts to name the unnamed.

And you are already that, obscured by mind.
Like a thumb blocking the sun.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Tmethyl]
    #24033167 - 01/23/17 12:55 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Tmethyl said:
Quote:

Rahz said:
But how does a person know whether a thing is realistic?



Only one thing in your entire life has ever been real.
What is the one thing that was the same when you were 5 years old and is the same now?
It is the same in times of stress and the same in times of bliss.
In fact it was the same before your so called birth and will be the same after your so called death.

Your birth is like a wave rising out of the ocean, it comes to a peak, then starts sinking back into the ocean and you call this death.
But a wave is water, and the ocean is water. How does a wave die?
Perhaps there never really was a wave, just ocean in the shape of one.

Your ocean right now is awareness.
Your body is made of awareness, your thoughts are made of awareness, your pain your suffering and your joy are made of awareness.
Awareness, consciousness, I, God, here and now, peace, happiness, are all the same thing; attempts to name the unnamed.

And you are already that, obscured by mind.
Like a thumb blocking the sun.




That's great but there is a more practical aspect to life it doesn't address. Is to live life with no desire realistic? Or does such an idea set a person up for failure? There are many things a person may want and those things will change over the course of a life. Some of them realistic and some not. Each person must decide for themselves which desires to follow and then find out if they were realistic desires. I do not assume what is realistic for one is realistic for another, or that nothing is worth wanting.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Rahz]
    #24033265 - 01/23/17 01:34 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Rahz said:
Quote:

Tmethyl said:
Quote:

Rahz said:
But how does a person know whether a thing is realistic?



Only one thing in your entire life has ever been real.
What is the one thing that was the same when you were 5 years old and is the same now?
It is the same in times of stress and the same in times of bliss.
In fact it was the same before your so called birth and will be the same after your so called death.

Your birth is like a wave rising out of the ocean, it comes to a peak, then starts sinking back into the ocean and you call this death.
But a wave is water, and the ocean is water. How does a wave die?
Perhaps there never really was a wave, just ocean in the shape of one.

Your ocean right now is awareness.
Your body is made of awareness, your thoughts are made of awareness, your pain your suffering and your joy are made of awareness.
Awareness, consciousness, I, God, here and now, peace, happiness, are all the same thing; attempts to name the unnamed.

And you are already that, obscured by mind.
Like a thumb blocking the sun.




That's great but there is a more practical aspect to life it doesn't address. Is to live life with no desire realistic? Or does such an idea set a person up for failure? There are many things a person may want and those things will change over the course of a life. Some of them realistic and some not. Each person must decide for themselves which desires to follow and then find out if they were realistic desires. I do not assume what is realistic for one is realistic for another, or that nothing is worth wanting.



Good illumination :thumbup:


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Tmethyl]
    #24034493 - 01/23/17 08:34 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Tmethyl said:
“The cost of anticipating
The next moment is that
This moment is lost.” 
-Wu  Hsin

Seeking is anticipation.
Do nothing.
Do nothing.
And there you are. :lol:
You are only here now.
How to seek now?
It is all that ever is.
More instant than instant, it already is.




Many of you have suggested meditation and doing nothing, but i fail to see how either of those things are not in fact seeking. Is doing nothing not something?

I feel as though the way out is not something which can be done by myself, due to the reasons i stated in my op. i can do nothing but create more action or self. i feel as though "escape" comes from something outside of one's self and occurs due to blind luck, an acasual phenomena

@laughingdog

yeah, i hear that freq whenever its semi-quiet/ when i meditate. It grows louder the more i meditate and the more that kundalini phenomena arises in me.

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What is it you want?  The reason you are going in circles, and chasing your own tail, is you have no clear criteria or objectives to your search. 

Hey, it's you search, stop and rest, lay down in the snow for all I care.  Life is tough, and if you want it to all end and soon, then there's always that option.

For a real seeker to discuss searching with a wanderer is counterproductive.

Goodbye.




did i not say that i wanted escape from escape from escape from escape...?

also, i feel like this is very close to the "real man" issue. is "real" and it parameters not subjective creations of thought? i also didnt say i was a true seeker, tmethyl did

i also dont believe i am going in circles, i believe i am going nowhere. the path seems to be my own creation

Quote:

Tmethyl said:
Only one thing in your entire life has ever been real.
What is the one thing that was the same when you were 5 years old and is the same now?
It is the same in times of stress and the same in times of bliss.
In fact it was the same before your so called birth and will be the same after your so called death.

Your birth is like a wave rising out of the ocean, it comes to a peak, then starts sinking back into the ocean and you call this death.
But a wave is water, and the ocean is water. How does a wave die?
Perhaps there never really was a wave, just ocean in the shape of one.

Your ocean right now is awareness.
Your body is made of awareness, your thoughts are made of awareness, your pain your suffering and your joy are made of awareness.
Awareness, consciousness, I, God, here and now, peace, happiness, are all the same thing; attempts to name the unnamed.

And you are already that, obscured by mind.
Like a thumb blocking the sun.




is awareness not a creation of thought?

another thing many speak of is the eternal now, but i do not understand how one can experience the eternal now. in the eternal now, the past and future are non-existent, meaning there is no memory. without the "knowledge" of the concept of experience, the self, and eternal now coming from memory, then there is no place, no experience, no? is it not beyond the mental maps that make up "reality" created by the mind? are concepts such as eternal now not limiting themselves and therefore destroy the premise of eternal now as possible for an observer to experience? 

What do you guys think of UG Krishnamurti?


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery] * 1
    #24034521 - 01/23/17 08:48 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Awareness is not thought, thought arises inside awareness.
It is prior, the feeling "I" or "I am" is the presence of awareness.
Awareness is like the TV screen, all things happen upon it, characters in the movie die, they are born, they struggle and they find joy.
But the screen is never affected.

Seeking is silly and utterly pointless because it's exactly like a character in the movie seeking happiness or enlightenment inside the movie world.
If the character understood he is the screen, all seeking is over. If you are inside a movie, where can you look that is not made of screen?
Everything in the movie is made of screen, even the character, even his thoughts, even his struggle to find it.

You still think you are a character, but you are awareness.
There is no way to you, you are already awareness, just like the character was already screen.

The screen has no color, and it is totally empty.
It is so empty and so colorless that all the scenes and colors of the movie can live on it.
If the screen were any specific color, the movie would be the movie + the color.
Awareness is empty, it cannot be seen, it is the seer itself.

“One is the space in which
The world appears.
There is nothing left to say.” 
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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Tmethyl]
    #24034540 - 01/23/17 08:58 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

and u say this comes through meditation?

are u realized in this way?


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24034552 - 01/23/17 09:01 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

It comes only by recognition, meditation is an action of the mind. Meditation is seeking.
You are already awareness, remove your finger away from the sun, and let it shine.

I do not identify as a person, or any specific thing.
I am only awareness.

If anyone were to say "I am enlightened or realized" they are implying that the person is enligthened or realized.
The person can never be enlightened or realized, because enlightenment or realization is the recognition that there is no person. :lol:

There never was a person, only the experience of a person.
In the same way that when you play a video game you name your character and go "aw shit I died!" and you temporarily identify as this character.
Were you ever really the game character? Of course not.

The same is true now, you are not a person, you are playing as one.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Tmethyl]
    #24034603 - 01/23/17 09:23 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Tmethyl said:
If anyone were to say "I am enlightened or realized" they are implying that the person is enligthened or realized.
The person can never be enlightened or realized, because enlightenment or realization is the recognition that there is no person. :lol:

There never was a person, only the experience of a person.
In the same way that when you play a video game you name your character and go "aw shit I died!" and you temporarily identify as this character.
Were you ever really the game character? Of course not.

The same is true now, you are not a person, you are playing as one.




i realize this conceptually

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Tmethyl said:
It comes only by recognition, meditation is an action of the mind. Meditation is seeking.
You are already awareness, remove your finger away from the sun, and let it shine.




i still fail to see how this recognition is different from other concpetual recognitions...


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24034612 - 01/23/17 09:31 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Because all concepts play on top of this recognition, this is the final step to eternity.
I can only attempt to describe this through metaphor and concessions, the recognition itself is non-conceptual and non-phenomenal.
And always, you are already this.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Tmethyl]
    #24035044 - 01/24/17 02:43 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

The trick to getting it right is looking at what your actually asking for.

"I want to stop searching"

The answer is as simple as it could ever be. Simply put; stop searching. Most people find this far too mundane and unexciting. Theres no 12 step program. Theres no incredible journey and dramatic unfolding. There simply IS.

Then you ask but how do I do this? And already you've begun, yet again, your search to end your searching. Meditation is the easiest practise in order to realise how unaware we are simply by sitting and breathing.

Eventually in order to go beyond chasing your tail and learn to give up finding the perfect & penultimate slice of wisdom that solves the question of desire. You simply stop asking the question or, at least come to accept the intangibility of the question in this material world.

Yes, we desire. Yes, there is a state of mind where you simply can let go of the desire and still desire it. Its the wanting to control the desire as much as possible that creates so much tension. If you are struggling to put your mind and desires into a lock and key, it won't happen. You've got to work with them.

The truth is, it takes many of us years to learn what is already in front of us. The answers are always in sight. More often than not they don't meet our expectations or demands. Our desire for life to complete us in a way that's not possible. We try putting the circle through the square until we learn how it works.


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    #24035076 - 01/24/17 03:19 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

You continue to seek because your not getting what you want. My guess is that what you are really seeking is a gunuine connection to a higher reality and through this connection redemption from your finite being. Modern society has left people like you, like me and the rest of the shroomery to wonder aimlessly looking for these things because they are no longer grounded in our everyday reality.

Unfortunately I can't give you any easy answers here, but you should know that none of this is your fault. Your just a victim of history like the rest of us. We're all looking to "fill the void" as another disgruntled poster put it, so we go inward in search of what we can no longer find in the wider universe, and it drives some of us crazy. I hope you find the strength to deal with the contradictions of modern life.


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    #24036101 - 01/24/17 01:56 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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I hope you find the strength




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    #24036115 - 01/24/17 02:00 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

humans are natural problem solvers.  we always keep searching.  When we find something we're looking for we start looking for something else. 


kinda like how i like creating problems for myself, really big ones too.  Some people just make small ones, others not.  And some people dont sabbotage themselves at all.  blah blah :blah: im fucking retarded and have no clue what im even talking about.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sprinkles]
    #24036301 - 01/24/17 03:08 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

The one simple reason this recognition is overlooked is because it's so simple.
You can spend your whole life or thousands of lives searching for it, because you are already what you're searching for.
Like searching for your shoes for years only to finally recognize they were on your feet the whole time.
Equally as funny as a fish seeking the water.

Every time the thought comes up "I cannot find it" or "I am not worthy" or "I do not see it" these thoughts are arising in it, and as it.
It is the empty space in which the mind is perceived.

It is the reason you can say "I have a mind" or "I have a body" because you are beyond the mind and body.

You are already this. You simply cover it up with thoughts.
When I say "you are already this", what is it that quickly says "No, I am not."
It is the mind. These thoughts are your shackles.
Where is the mind arising? In awareness.
Remain as the space wherein the mind arises.
You will never suffer again.
The seeking is over.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24036344 - 01/24/17 03:19 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Real Man.  etc.



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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24040940 - 01/26/17 10:54 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

I was once exactly where you are. It is the darkness just before the dawn, you are so much closer than you think!

Nobody can give you the answer you need, because what you need is not an answer at all. It is a realization.

A realization can not be given and it can not be found, it must be created in the one and only place it can exist; within your own mind.

We can tell you what it is plain and simple, using metaphors or worded 1000 different ways but until you come to that realization for yourself, none of it will mean anything to you. For example, I could point out that what you are seeking is right there in your post, written in your own words:

Quote:

Mental Slavery said:
It completely encompasses my entire being. It is my entire being. Its all that i am.




But without the key (realization), it remains locked away in plain sight and is therefore currently useless.

What we can do, however, is offer guidance and direction in an attempt to spark the catalyst necessary for such a realization.
Everybody's approach towards this will be different depending on their own experience, communication skills and unique perspectives.

Here is my attempt.

From what I can understand, your current perspective is from a trapped, helpless point of view. Your next move should be focusing on freeing yourself from that loop in order to obtain a more useful perspective.

The human brain is extremley proficient at problem solving and does so by breaking a problem down into smaller sections which are easier to manage and analyse, so we'll start there.

Ask yourself the following questions:

"Within is me is an unending want."
- *what is it that you want exactly?

"A striving for something else."
- *something else other than what?

"Nothing anywhere can satisfy it."
- *what is 'it' that needs to be satisfied?

"Every action i take to rid myself of this unending want"
- *what actions have you taken specifically?

"is just another expression of it."
- *just another expression of what exactly?

Now let's take a closer look at this:

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Mental Slavery said:
all that i want is to escape myself.





To me, this suggests that you believe there are two different 'yous'. The 'you' that wants to escape yourself and the 'you' that is holding yourself prisoner.

But there is only 1 you right? The trapped you who wants to escape and the other 'you' doesn't exist. This means that what is holding you prisoner, keeping you stuck in a loop, doesn't even exist and you are already free. The illusion of it only exists because you believe it does.

The other possible alternative is that there is infact more than one 'you' that you aren't currently aware of. But then how do you determine what is you and what is not you? If the line can not be drawn then maybe, just like the first possible explination, the seperation between 'you' and 'not you' is just an illusion, sustained only by your belief that it exists. If there is no seperation and you are everything, everything is you, then what are you searching for? What are you running from?

You say that the problem is with you, that you are the problem. Why then, does it make any sense to try and fix the problem outside of yourself? And how can you look inside yourself for a solution without knowing what 'you' are?

Maybe you are both the problem AND the solution, and until you realize this you will continue to see only half of the picture.

I think thats enough for now. If you would like me to go further, answer the questions with a * at the start and we will go from there. Otherwise you are perfectly 'free' to disregard everything I have said as bullshit :smile:

I'll leave you with this to think about:

When you feel happiness, where do you feel it exactly?
When you feel love, where do you feel it?
When you feel anything at all, where is it felt?
When you hear a sound, where is it heard?
When you smell a scent, where is it smelled?
When you look at a tree, where is it seen from?
Can you name a single thing you have ever felt, heard, smelled or seen outside of yourself?
If the answer is no, think about what that means.

Peace.


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    #24042403 - 01/26/17 08:39 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

"Anything is one of a million paths. Therefore you must always keep in mind that a path is only a path; if you feel you should not follow it, you must not stay with it under any conditions. To have such clarity you must lead a disciplined life. Only then will you know that any path is only a path and there is no affront, to oneself or to others, in dropping it if that is what your heart tells you to do. But your decision to keep on the path or to leave it must be free of fear or ambition. I warn you. Look at every path closely and deliberately. Try it as many times as you think necessary.

This question is one that only a very old man asks. Does this path have a heart? All paths are the same: they lead nowhere. They are paths going through the bush, or into the bush. In my own life I could say I have traversed long long paths, but I am not anywhere. Does this path have a heart? If it does, the path is good; if it doesn't, it is of no use. Both paths lead nowhere; but one has a heart, the other doesn't. One makes for a joyful journey; as long as you follow it, you are one with it. The other will make you curse your life. One makes you strong; the other weakens you.


Before you embark on any path ask the question: Does this path have a heart? If the answer is no, you will know it, and then you must choose another path. The trouble is nobody asks the question; and when a man finally realizes that he has taken a path without a heart, the path is ready to kill him. At that point very few men can stop to deliberate, and leave the path. A path without a heart is never enjoyable. You have to work hard even to take it. On the other hand, a path with heart is easy; it does not make you work at liking it.”
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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #24042420 - 01/26/17 08:47 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

If one follows a path which has no heart, are they not giving that path a heart?
If so, the only paths that have no heart are those not travelled.


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    #24042431 - 01/26/17 08:51 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

:heart:


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24042514 - 01/26/17 09:39 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

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Sam Harris said: All we can do is appeal to scientific values, the value of understanding the world, the value of evidence, the value of logical consistency.







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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sudly]
    #24042592 - 01/26/17 10:17 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

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sudly said:
Quote:

Sam Harris said: All we can do is appeal to scientific values, the value of understanding the world, the value of evidence, the value of logical consistency.










That's not 'all we can do'. Not even close.

Apologies good sir but I oppose this proposition *ajusts monocle and strokes mustache*


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24042616 - 01/26/17 10:27 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

It's the only rational thing we can do to create meaning from value in my opinion. :FSM1:


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sudly]
    #24042697 - 01/26/17 11:12 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Quote:

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It's the only rational thing we can do to create meaning from value in my opinion. :FSM1:



Value is subjective though. For example, my values might revolve around materialistic things whereas your values might revolve around friends and family.

The method you use to create meaning from value would not be applicable to my values and vise versa.

Even if we had the exact same values, the meaning you apply to them would be different from the meaning I apply to them as it would be heavily influenced by our different beliefs and perspectives.

Unless I misunderstood what you are talking about and am going in the wrong direction, if so I apologise haha


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24042711 - 01/26/17 11:19 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

I think that the meaning is subjective but we can base it on objective values such as the evidence and logical consistencies involved in science.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sudly]
    #24042750 - 01/26/17 11:43 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

I understand what you are saying, however the hair-splitter in me wants to rustle some feathers :cool:

How can there be such thing as an objective value? Any value, even if it is given to an objective subject, is given from a subjective perspective. Every objective value you can think of was, at one point in time, originally given that value by somebody from their perspective, influenced by their beliefs and as such, that objective value is in fact a subjective value that only holds its importance through the acceptance of the majority.

The thing people don't realise is that in accepting these values, they are also accepting the subjective beliefs that were originally used to create that value.
Can you see how this could be abused and used for mass manipulation?

I'll stop there before I stray too far :tongue2:


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24042800 - 01/27/17 12:06 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

If I hold a ball I can predict that it will fall when I let it go?


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sudly]
    #24042820 - 01/27/17 12:27 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

wanna hear something cool?  there's a such thing as anti-matter.  the simple fact we exist is a miracle in itself.  for every particle of matter there is anti-matter.  Thats where God and the big bang comes in. 

I love black holes so much. of all the things there is to collect i wanna collect black holes.  After you breach the event horizon, whatever enters it will spaghettify, till it reaches the the singularity.  That massive amount of energy explodes into what could be the creation of a universe.


i keep them in a saftey deposit box at the bank with all my other valuable cool stuff.


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    #24042826 - 01/27/17 12:31 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

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If I hold a ball I can predict that it will fall when I let it go?



That is a belief, not a value.
Value would be the importance you give to the science involved, which supports your belief that the ball will fall when you let go.  In this case, the value is influenced by your individual understanding of science and your previous experiences with this subject which have contributed towards your perspective on the matter, and so even that value is subjective.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sprinkles]
    #24042828 - 01/27/17 12:33 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Metalic-hydrogen was recently discovered too, and it's probably metastable (e.g. a diamond is a metastable version of carbon)
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Nearly a century after it was theorized, Harvard scientists have succeeded in creating the rarest - and potentially one of the most valuable - materials on the planet.
https://phys.org/news/2017-01-metallic-hydrogen-theory-reality.html




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    #24042829 - 01/27/17 12:34 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Until the day that the way gravity acts on a ball when dropped changes, I don't want to assume something else is going to happen and to me that is a logical consistency that I value.


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    #24042832 - 01/27/17 12:38 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

um its influenced by the law of gravity and it falls to the ground. 



Gravity is a law.  I obey the law, thats why i dont fly on airplanes


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    #24042840 - 01/27/17 12:45 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

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Until the day that the way gravity acts on a ball when dropped changes, I don't want to assume something else is going to happen and to me that is a logical consistency that I value.



Im just playing with ya haha I'll stop :p

I see objective values as things that are important to everybody regardless of their individual beliefs/perspective/opinion. A good example of an objective value is health.


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    #24043273 - 01/27/17 09:23 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

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If I hold a ball I can predict that it will fall when I let it go?



Ball is an insufficient definition. Fill it with helium and watch it fall then...


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    #24043288 - 01/27/17 09:30 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

you sunk my battleship :mindblown:


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    #24044666 - 01/27/17 05:17 PM (7 years, 3 days ago)

Trying filling a basketball with helium..

Even if I fill a balloon with helium that doesn't mean I can't predict what will happen to it, it will float because helium is lighter than air.


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    #24044817 - 01/27/17 06:09 PM (7 years, 3 days ago)

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Is to live life with no desire realistic?




No.

Desire doesn't cause suffering. Attachment to what we want causes us to suffer.

We believe if we get what we want we will be happy.


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    #24045493 - 01/28/17 12:14 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

I agree but think still desire is a kind of suffering. It's ignorance regarding the nature of a desire that is most hurtful. I don't think it's possible to avoid suffering, but understanding a desire will allow a person to avoid the pain of ignorance if the decision to peruse it remains.

Starving is painful but being a little bit hungry is not so bad.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Rahz]
    #24045535 - 01/28/17 12:42 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

Suffering is necessary for its opposit to exist. Peace is realizing and learning to appreciate this, causing you to embrace it instead of fearing it.

Perspective is everything. Changing the angle of the camera changes the whole movie.

Light cannot exist without darkness, and without darkness we would never see the stars.


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    #24048799 - 01/29/17 11:50 AM (7 years, 1 day ago)

Hmmmm, yesterday I feel as though this state was accessed to certain to extent for an hour, but then it dissipated

it seems as though I attached too much to it, which is actually what destroyed it

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OfflineMental Slavery
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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24048958 - 01/29/17 12:45 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

I am very afraid of letting go

I am really spinning in neurotic circles


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24048997 - 01/29/17 01:01 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

The witness or awareness of the fear of letting go is not afraid of letting go.
Stop identifying as this poor little person, you are already beyond it.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Tmethyl]
    #24049532 - 01/29/17 04:38 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

Tmethyl said:
The witness or awareness of the fear of letting go is not afraid of letting go.
Stop identifying as this poor little person, you are already beyond it.




Going in circles?



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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24049805 - 01/29/17 06:23 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

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Mental Slavery said:
I am very afraid of letting go

I am really spinning in neurotic circles




What are you afraid of letting go of?


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24049859 - 01/29/17 06:43 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

Have you thought of maybe talking to someone about this? Maybe a social worker or psychologist. It could help.


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let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

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euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24049921 - 01/29/17 07:01 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

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is awareness not a creation of thought?




Perception may be but awareness itself is the physical experience of interacting with a natural medium we call reality. :imo:


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sudly]
    #24051688 - 01/30/17 12:55 PM (7 years, 13 hours ago)

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sudly said:
Quote:

is awareness not a creation of thought?




Perception may be but awareness itself is the physical experience of interacting with a natural medium we call reality. :imo:



You also can be aware of your inner 'happenings'. And then you can be aware how the inner and outer is in 'interaction'.
Attention is key. There is no attention without awareness.
And attention leads our perception...


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24063809 - 02/03/17 10:00 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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wolfiewolfie said:

Suffering is necessary for its opposite to exist.




I'm curious what has brought you to this conclusion. 

I don't think we must experience discontent to experience being content.

I don't think we must experience dissatisfaction to experience satisfaction.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #24063847 - 02/03/17 10:15 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

It's true RJ, because you would have no basis for comparison.
You wouldn't even know or make a word for satisfaction because it would be your natural state.
You can't call it satisfaction without knowing it's opposite.

"Duality births experience"


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Tmethyl]
    #24063864 - 02/03/17 10:20 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

So comparison is a prerequisite for experience?

I don't need words to experience anything.


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