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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24042616 - 01/26/17 10:27 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

It's the only rational thing we can do to create meaning from value in my opinion. :FSM1:


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sudly]
    #24042697 - 01/26/17 11:12 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

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sudly said:
It's the only rational thing we can do to create meaning from value in my opinion. :FSM1:



Value is subjective though. For example, my values might revolve around materialistic things whereas your values might revolve around friends and family.

The method you use to create meaning from value would not be applicable to my values and vise versa.

Even if we had the exact same values, the meaning you apply to them would be different from the meaning I apply to them as it would be heavily influenced by our different beliefs and perspectives.

Unless I misunderstood what you are talking about and am going in the wrong direction, if so I apologise haha


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24042711 - 01/26/17 11:19 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

I think that the meaning is subjective but we can base it on objective values such as the evidence and logical consistencies involved in science.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sudly]
    #24042750 - 01/26/17 11:43 PM (7 years, 3 days ago)

I understand what you are saying, however the hair-splitter in me wants to rustle some feathers :cool:

How can there be such thing as an objective value? Any value, even if it is given to an objective subject, is given from a subjective perspective. Every objective value you can think of was, at one point in time, originally given that value by somebody from their perspective, influenced by their beliefs and as such, that objective value is in fact a subjective value that only holds its importance through the acceptance of the majority.

The thing people don't realise is that in accepting these values, they are also accepting the subjective beliefs that were originally used to create that value.
Can you see how this could be abused and used for mass manipulation?

I'll stop there before I stray too far :tongue2:


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The only reason why T-rex's can't walk backwards is because they're extinct, which perfectly explains why there are no headaches in the rainforest; The parrots eat 'em all.

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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24042800 - 01/27/17 12:06 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

If I hold a ball I can predict that it will fall when I let it go?


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sudly]
    #24042820 - 01/27/17 12:27 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

wanna hear something cool?  there's a such thing as anti-matter.  the simple fact we exist is a miracle in itself.  for every particle of matter there is anti-matter.  Thats where God and the big bang comes in. 

I love black holes so much. of all the things there is to collect i wanna collect black holes.  After you breach the event horizon, whatever enters it will spaghettify, till it reaches the the singularity.  That massive amount of energy explodes into what could be the creation of a universe.


i keep them in a saftey deposit box at the bank with all my other valuable cool stuff.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sudly]
    #24042826 - 01/27/17 12:31 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

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sudly said:
If I hold a ball I can predict that it will fall when I let it go?



That is a belief, not a value.
Value would be the importance you give to the science involved, which supports your belief that the ball will fall when you let go.  In this case, the value is influenced by your individual understanding of science and your previous experiences with this subject which have contributed towards your perspective on the matter, and so even that value is subjective.


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The only reason why T-rex's can't walk backwards is because they're extinct, which perfectly explains why there are no headaches in the rainforest; The parrots eat 'em all.

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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sprinkles]
    #24042828 - 01/27/17 12:33 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

Metalic-hydrogen was recently discovered too, and it's probably metastable (e.g. a diamond is a metastable version of carbon)
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Nearly a century after it was theorized, Harvard scientists have succeeded in creating the rarest - and potentially one of the most valuable - materials on the planet.
https://phys.org/news/2017-01-metallic-hydrogen-theory-reality.html




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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24042829 - 01/27/17 12:34 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

Until the day that the way gravity acts on a ball when dropped changes, I don't want to assume something else is going to happen and to me that is a logical consistency that I value.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24042832 - 01/27/17 12:38 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

um its influenced by the law of gravity and it falls to the ground. 



Gravity is a law.  I obey the law, thats why i dont fly on airplanes


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sudly] * 1
    #24042840 - 01/27/17 12:45 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
Until the day that the way gravity acts on a ball when dropped changes, I don't want to assume something else is going to happen and to me that is a logical consistency that I value.



Im just playing with ya haha I'll stop :p

I see objective values as things that are important to everybody regardless of their individual beliefs/perspective/opinion. A good example of an objective value is health.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: sudly]
    #24043273 - 01/27/17 09:23 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

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If I hold a ball I can predict that it will fall when I let it go?



Ball is an insufficient definition. Fill it with helium and watch it fall then...


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #24043288 - 01/27/17 09:30 AM (7 years, 3 days ago)

you sunk my battleship :mindblown:


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #24044666 - 01/27/17 05:17 PM (7 years, 3 days ago)

Trying filling a basketball with helium..

Even if I fill a balloon with helium that doesn't mean I can't predict what will happen to it, it will float because helium is lighter than air.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #24044817 - 01/27/17 06:09 PM (7 years, 3 days ago)

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Rahz said:

Is to live life with no desire realistic?




No.

Desire doesn't cause suffering. Attachment to what we want causes us to suffer.

We believe if we get what we want we will be happy.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #24045493 - 01/28/17 12:14 AM (7 years, 2 days ago)

I agree but think still desire is a kind of suffering. It's ignorance regarding the nature of a desire that is most hurtful. I don't think it's possible to avoid suffering, but understanding a desire will allow a person to avoid the pain of ignorance if the decision to peruse it remains.

Starving is painful but being a little bit hungry is not so bad.


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Rahz]
    #24045535 - 01/28/17 12:42 AM (7 years, 2 days ago)

Suffering is necessary for its opposit to exist. Peace is realizing and learning to appreciate this, causing you to embrace it instead of fearing it.

Perspective is everything. Changing the angle of the camera changes the whole movie.

Light cannot exist without darkness, and without darkness we would never see the stars.


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The only reason why T-rex's can't walk backwards is because they're extinct, which perfectly explains why there are no headaches in the rainforest; The parrots eat 'em all.

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Edited by wolfiewolfie (01/28/17 12:45 AM)


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #24048799 - 01/29/17 11:50 AM (7 years, 1 day ago)

Hmmmm, yesterday I feel as though this state was accessed to certain to extent for an hour, but then it dissipated

it seems as though I attached too much to it, which is actually what destroyed it

Rediculous lol


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24048958 - 01/29/17 12:45 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

I am very afraid of letting go

I am really spinning in neurotic circles


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Re: I want to stop searching [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #24048997 - 01/29/17 01:01 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

The witness or awareness of the fear of letting go is not afraid of letting go.
Stop identifying as this poor little person, you are already beyond it.


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