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pins look ok? pins with open caps?
    #24031031 - 01/22/17 04:21 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Do my pins look healthy?

I have this pin set on the right side of the cake, that came in almost a week ago. I'm only concerned about this pin set, not that I think anythings wrong with it(idk its my first grow),but does the largest pin look like it has good FAE and moisture? or does it need more or less of anything??


Here's the other better bigger looking pin set that i'm not concerned about that came in a couple days ago


edit: i just misted before i took pics


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333]
    #24031077 - 01/22/17 04:35 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

What strain? Those look super off to me, but I'm only experienced with pcubes. In my novice opinion, looks way too wet.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: camerinkw]
    #24031079 - 01/22/17 04:36 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

See how some of those caps are opening already? That shouldn't be happening.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: camerinkw]
    #24031082 - 01/22/17 04:37 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Also, try better to roll the sides of the cakes in the future.  And I also wanna question your sgfc, but i'm sure someone else will too. lol


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: camerinkw]
    #24031117 - 01/22/17 04:47 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

b+ put into chamber at 1/1/17 it colonized the verm casing i put on it and after 2 weeks of no pinning i flipped the cake and put a small layer of verm on top and it started pinning from there (that was about 6 days ago)

and i know i have thread on this chamber its 2 liter

but what is causing the pin caps to open up early like you said?
low fae? low/high moisture?

the mushrooms are growing slower and denser because of the low temps 65s-70


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333]
    #24031141 - 01/22/17 04:55 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Some look better than others ... some of them are definitely aborts.  Gotta wait and see if they grow or not.  It definitely does not look like a really nice pinset, though.  But hang in there, in a few days they may grow out and take off. 

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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: KauaiOrca] * 1
    #24031240 - 01/22/17 05:30 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

over/under misting or over/under fae??
and im trying not to lol i put a lil thing under it now


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333]
    #24031331 - 01/22/17 05:54 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Split caps are usually bacterial or exponential growth due to changing conditions. Mainly just mutants but when en masse, bacterial and too much water not enough air.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: Adden]
    #24031380 - 01/22/17 06:09 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: amidogen]
    #24031562 - 01/22/17 07:07 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

I second bacteria.  Doesn't look too great =/

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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: BLINKfan420]
    #24031697 - 01/22/17 07:46 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

ufor all who think its bacteria i really dont think it is.

the 2 liter fruiting chamber has fell over a couple of times, thats why a lot of the pins are dead or aborted because they hit the wall of the container and some pins broke some stayed on and turned diff color


and as for temps, temps do fluctuate (62-75s just for past 2 days its been getting hot in the 75s) but they have been in 2 weeks of 62s-69 they were used to cold temp and i just now started to give it better temps


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333]
    #24031704 - 01/22/17 07:48 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

But it looks bacterial.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: Adden]
    #24031733 - 01/22/17 07:55 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

ion like how people say it looks bacterial but dont say what it is that looks bacterial? if ur saying the discolored pins its cuz they aborts, or the pin broke off and still stayed on the cake and changed color.

does the cake look contamed? how plz im noob i want to learn what the contamination you say i have is so i can look it up and prevent that "so called" contam from comin by again


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333]
    #24031872 - 01/22/17 08:38 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333]
    #24031916 - 01/22/17 08:54 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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over/under misting or over/under fae??
and im trying not to lol i put a lil thing under it now



you cant change the FAE of a SGFC it's set and forget. fanning is not FAE. the SGFC cannot be adjusted it's just holes drilled in all six sides. it gets plenty of FAE if it's built correctly. you mist only as needed like 0-3 times a day usually

your caps are splitting from bacteria encouraged because it's built wrong, it's not a SGFC but rather some cup shaped contraption.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24032017 - 01/22/17 09:44 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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your caps are splitting from bacteria encouraged because it's built wrong



dog that shit dont even make sense i feel like yall jus throwin shade for no reason
boy said your caps are splitting from bacteria, encouraged beacuse its built wrong??? so caps are splitting from bacteria, because my fruiting chamber is a 2 liter... that makes no fucking sense, because im using a 2 liter my caps are splitting from bacteria ????? ok thanks for help and it makes lots of sense to dog fr

>>>>if u aint got somthin to say that actually fuckin makes sense please shut the fuck up

correct me if im wrong but i thought contams come from bacteria not from chamber design


and yea no fuckin shit fanning isnt FAE im sayin if i desperatly need a change in location because i have it in a closet. because if i dont put it ina closet it gets swarmed wit fruit flys.

yea i got fruit flys i been tryna get rid of but they dont fucking leave
i fr only got couple peices of real advice since i been here cmon


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333]
    #24032035 - 01/22/17 09:53 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Do everyone a favor and get out of this forum until you can act like a grown man. You've got two balls between your legs, right? Stand up when you pee, pay taxes and all that? Act like one and people will treat you with the same respect you give them.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: Adden]
    #24032049 - 01/22/17 10:00 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

i am trust me, most of you so toxic to noobs its like you have no life. i'm obviously to stupid to understand why my 2 liter chamber everyone said previously, "i dont see why it wouldnt work" is now causing bacterial contaminants. still thanks for another pointless reply on, not what might be the cause of my problems, but som stupid shit i already forgot


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333] * 2
    #24032053 - 01/22/17 10:02 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

maybe learn how to use English then come back here... You're the low common denominator buddy. We've collectively helped thousands. You couldn't use the resources to your advantage, now we're trying to hold your hand to help you get the most out of your efforts but you still have to act like your from the streets and slim shady is your role model, calm down Stan.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24032065 - 01/22/17 10:09 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

the only thing i gotta "act like", is some sophisticated fuckhead who types with 100% grammer, so you old white fucks can understand what im saying. or i get spammed with helpless relpys with use grammar i cant help you .... now thats mature

and im not even trippin my mushrooms are bouta grow and i did get som help to get me where im at and it was from the few people on here who actually fuckin helped me. instead of the old drunk bastards like you, who just like to make self-satisfying jokes to themselves and their online friends


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333]
    #24032083 - 01/22/17 10:15 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: cubensis333]
    #24032120 - 01/22/17 10:36 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

If you think it's only a bunch of old white guys, then you're clearly an irrational and delusional racist. We get people from around the world who don't even speak English, and end up learning it just to post on these boards.

The existence of this place is like a classroom environment, and if you act that way then people are going to respect you as much as you respect them.

The best qualities we have are from people who do a round of cakes and then do 12 tubs a month and astound us all. We have people from Africa, South Africa, Indonesia, South Korea, China (few), Japan and all over the globe. You're seeing the forest for the trees, man.

You need to understand that the people who volunteer their time and effort do this on a daily basis. Everyone's goal here is to help and teach others how to grow mushrooms.

There's no need to be rough around the edges. Don't forget people are just here to help. You can't go attacking or insulting people just because you are frustrated you don't understand it. This hobby is never mastered. It's a lifelong learning experience, and facets of this science and mathematics and exploration. You've gotta leave your attitude at the door.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: Adden]
    #24032139 - 01/22/17 10:46 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

yes you do get a lot of people from all over the world, WHOM ARE LOOKING FOR HELP. and the ones GIVING help are NOT, theyre the fucks i already described
read the thread i came in wit respect and got sarcasm in return
and summary to what you said: not everyone here is white, and this forum has helped and seen a lot of people succeed, and people treat you how you treat them.

-people who reply to me with sarcastic dumbass comments are the old beergut having fucks, i can tell the way theyre talking
-and i never said this forum didnt help me did I??? no, i said and i have received help from certain people, im not bashing them, im bashing you sarcastic losers with no time on their hands but to come on here and give helpess answers.
-and i didnt come into this forum with sarcasm, but the ones im referring to DID, so thats WHY infact i feed you the same as you feed me. stop tryna kiss ass to the forum bruv

^^im jus infact treatin u da way you treat me so idk what youre sayin boss, and 6 people are ignoring you so im sure youre one of them


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: cubensis333]
    #24032185 - 01/22/17 11:12 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

If you tell me what you're trying to accomplish from A to Z and what you've done so far A-Z, I can help you. Bacterial contamination isn't the end of the world and it's not too late to fix this. It happens to a lot of new growers because of vendor syringes or an outside (when a cake is weak and someone touched a faucet). Just staight up tell me what you did from the PC to right now, and I'll help you fix your shit. Stop being an ass, tho, and chill it's alright. You've got pins which is a lot further than some people get so let's turn them into big mushrooms.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: camerinkw]
    #24032219 - 01/22/17 11:37 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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See how some of those caps are opening already? That shouldn't be happening.




You missed this. Pick those because they'll rot. The ones that have aborted cut them out with a fine blade.

That and the fuzzy puff mycelium that the cake has. Worked with them myself. I dunked and rerolled them & they pinned in a week.

You've lost the casing layer of the cake. That is to say, perlite gives rise to air in a shotgun fruiting chamber (SGFC). The cake is rolled to create millions of microclimates to initiate pinning.

When mycelium is fighting bacteria, for whatever reason colonizes the verm. Upon rerolling, you give if a new one. Now the cake "knows" it better fruit and will give it's best effort to creature the reproductive organ (the mushroom itself).

It looks like it needs a dunk and reroll. Let it sit a few days after rolling. You certainly don't need any more moisture in there. If I had a jerry rigged setup like that, I'd have a small desk fan going every couple hours for a little bit and come mist when necessary.. and I'd hold the nozzle to the hole and spray 360 degrees around the cake.

Do you have holes in the bottom of the soda bottle? If not you can reconstruct it. Empty everything out (and use less perlite next time). Try and set it on something that'll allow air to come up through the holes.

Also, make sure the cake isn't sitting on the perlite. Just an upside down jar lid to set it on. If it's just that one cake then don't reroll or dunk it. Set it in a shallow dish of water and give it directly to the cake, not by over misting in the bottle.

Edit: if it was mine I'd put a few tablespoons of wet verm on top so the pins have "passive water" and a saturated cake (bottom watering in a dish), since it'd be pointless to apply a casing layer now. The wet verm on top will encourage it to grow that way (it already is anyhow). Then cut misting and let perlite do air flow, while your rehydrated cake with verm to work with fruits.


Edit for the 3rd time.. I thought you had many cakes and a sgfc. But I'll leave that info in case someone stumbles on this and needs to know what to do with slow pinning bacteria cakes that have had the verm encompassed. I think it's one of two times that cakes should be rerolled. The other being PE and KSSS on cakes, since they drink so much water and are slow to pin on cakes.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: cubensis333]
    #24032296 - 01/23/17 12:35 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

If there's something in my post that you don't understand then please ask and I'll clarify. But let's get some fruits out of that thing ok? Show me a picture of what it looks like. If the label is still on take it off it needs more light.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: Adden]
    #24032320 - 01/23/17 12:53 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Do my pins look healthy?




That's how this thread started.

Bodhi and Adden are both very competent cultivators. If you were so confident in your conclusions, why did you ask?

You've been given competent advice from some of the best around, and yet you argue.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #24032335 - 01/23/17 01:04 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I hope he follows my advice and gets a lot of big and tall healthy mushrooms. I wanna see him succeed coz I know he can.


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    #24032339 - 01/23/17 01:06 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Me too. I want everyone to have amazing mushies.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #24032362 - 01/23/17 01:27 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Bodhi is some of the best around.. I only do cakes, and spend the rest of my time with culture work on psilo species, and do planters, LC for outside beds and that sort of thing. Now that the ground isn't gonna be so frozen I'm spawning one of my planters and moving some ivy and firewitch. It'll be a cool area for people to appreciate and it's like 20 gallons of spawn haha.

..But I've had 200 of these pass through my hands, I've seen mostly everything, and growing up we used the teks from the archives. I remember a lot of contaminated and dry cakes and bacteria from cakes sitting in geolite with an air bubbler and hygrometer.

But yeah I'd bottom wafer that put more holes in the bottle, rehydrate perlite and keep less in, and get a desk lamp and fan on those with 12/12 light and 5 minute of a small fan every 2-3h. Easy. We had to ghetto rig stuff in high school. The cake looks thirsty and needs more air.. stop misting and just put wet verm on top and careful not to damage the pins..

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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: Adden]
    #24032499 - 01/23/17 04:51 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

You're getting a lot of great advice from people that grow a lot of cakes and know what you should be doing.  You have a less than optimal fruiting chamber and people are trying to help you get it to work.  What everyone here is probably thinking is why don't you break down, spend about $20-25 bucks and make a proper fruiting chamber and do it in a way that gives you much better odds and you can put a bunch of cakes in there at the same time? 

I do think everyone posting here is really hoping you have some success.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #24032535 - 01/23/17 05:33 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

:facepalm: I swear their is at least one person like this a day. Hope he succeeds.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: TheCyndicate]
    #24032665 - 01/23/17 07:49 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

On the other hand, if he does succeed, he may continue to think he's hot shit.  Credit where credit is due dude.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: Adden]
    #24033008 - 01/23/17 11:13 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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You missed this. Pick those because they'll rot. The ones that have aborted cut them out with a fine blade. i picked the rotting pins/aborted pins off with a knife just now

That and the fuzzy puff mycelium that the cake has. Worked with them myself. I dunked and rerolled them & they pinned in a week. i shouldnt dunk and re roll when i have pins all over the cake right? i will after first flush

You've lost the casing layer of the cake. That is to say, perlite gives rise to air in a shotgun fruiting chamber (SGFC). The cake is rolled to create millions of microclimates to initiate pinning.

When mycelium is fighting bacteria, for whatever reason colonizes the verm. Upon rerolling, you give if a new one. Now the cake "knows" it better fruit and will give it's best effort to creature the reproductive organ (the mushroom itself).i didnt know that when cakes are fighting bacteria thats what causes the verm casing to get colonized, thank you

It looks like it needs a dunk and reroll. Let it sit a few days after rolling. You certainly don't need any more moisture in there. If I had a jerry rigged setup like that, I'd have a small desk fan going every couple hours for a little bit and come mist when necessary.. and I'd hold the nozzle to the hole and spray 360 degrees around the cake.i cant dunk and re roll it would ruin all my pins i finally got

Do you have holes in the bottom of the soda bottle? If not you can reconstruct it. Empty everything out (and use less perlite next time). Try and set it on something that'll allow air to come up through the holes.yes i have holes all over

Also, make sure the cake isn't sitting on the perlite. Just an upside down jar lid to set it on. If it's just that one cake then don't reroll or dunk it. Set it in a shallow dish of water and give it directly to the cake, not by over misting in the bottle.its on an aluminum peice

Edit: if it was mine I'd put a few tablespoons of wet verm on top so the pins have "passive water" and a saturated cake (bottom watering in a dish), since it'd be pointless to apply a casing layer now. The wet verm on top will encourage it to grow that way (it already is anyhow). Then cut misting and let perlite do air flow, while your rehydrated cake with verm to work with fruits.so stop misting so mush (3-4 times a day) and just let the layer of verm that i already have ontop of the cake, and the perlite do the work?


Edit for the 3rd time.. I thought you had many cakes and a sgfc. But I'll leave that info in case someone stumbles on this and needs to know what to do with slow pinning bacteria cakes that have had the verm encompassed. I think it's one of two times that cakes should be rerolled. The other being PE and KSSS on cakes, since they drink so much water and are slow to pin on cakes.



i apologize to all, especially adden for me bein a lil bitch. thanks for genuinely trying to help even after my arrogance




you said you might be able to help me achieve big fruits if i told you whats been the process since pc'ing

setting:- closet(if i dont put in a closet, fruit flys swarm my fc)
        - 5000k light bulb 12/12
        - misting/fanning 3-4 times a day
        - i air out the closet to promote better FAE twice a day by putting an air cleaner/fan in the closet for about 1-2 minutes at a time
so first off i made a ghetto milk jug rig, i had the cake in there for 1 week
untill i then moved it into a gheto 2 liter rig
after 2 weeks pinning started
some pins were aborts, but i just cutt them off so heres where im at, anything i forgot plz ask
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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: amidogen]
    #24033097 - 01/23/17 12:12 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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The "so-called" contam is bacteria. We can tell because the cake in your so-called fruiting chamber shows the signs of bacterial contamination. The cake looks thick and puffy like cottage cheese. The cake and the fruits are wet and look slimy. That's why we know your cake has bacteria.



Pretty sure this covers the question of what bacteria would look like.....


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: CapnZ]
    #24033163 - 01/23/17 12:53 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Make a proper sgfc. Problems solved.


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    #24033226 - 01/23/17 01:18 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Dude asks what's wrong with his cake.

Some of the best mush growers on Earth tell him it's bacteria.

Dude gets offended because the answer to his question wasn't what he wanted an has obviously done zero research.

What the fuck? At least this old white guy can pull off a flush..


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    #24033273 - 01/23/17 01:35 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Make a proper sgfc. Problems solved.




^^^^^^^ This. 

He said he'd knocked over his setup up a couple of times and knocked off the pins that were coming out.  We're not talking about a full on automated $1,000 green  house here, an SGFC is what, $20-25?


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #24033306 - 01/23/17 01:45 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

lol i already said abuncha times i would make da sgfc but i cant leave my home!@!@!

and i didnt get mad cuz they told me its bacterial, i was sick of hearing "its bacterial", with no explaination of why its bacterial

and if i had done zero research then i wouldnt have been able to get colonized jars, or get pins in the first place so plz stop tryna hate for no reason i already apologized


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333]
    #24033353 - 01/23/17 02:06 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

It's all good guys. He's willing to take help now..

Hey cubensis333.. do you have a small plastic tote somewhere? A bin full of junk you can empty out? Gotta have a spare one laying around somewhere. Then you can use a drill with 1/4" holes and make a SGFC. If not a nail heated on the stove or with a butane torch and a pair of pliers will work too.

After you get this cake flushed, are you going to make more? Usually a tote that can fit 12 or 18 is best but you can always make a small one if you're going to continue with the hobby.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: Adden]
    #24033418 - 01/23/17 02:37 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Wow the level of disrespect and arrogance is staggering. I'm shocked these guys stuck around and put up with your shit.

Adden has clearly demonstrated he is a scholar and a gentleman, he was very gracious in assisting you after your immature tirade... IMO he should have left you be with your shitty little contaminated cakes stuck in a closet...

Throw out your garbage and clean your place and the fruit flys will go away, then you can put up a proper SGFC ya racist prick...

And maybe you should start sucking up to the forum a little more, after this performance I doubt anyone outside of Adden will be willing to help you...


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    #24033467 - 01/23/17 03:04 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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lol i already said abuncha times i would make da sgfc but i cant leave my home!@!@!



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    #24033481 - 01/23/17 03:08 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

That's exactly what I thought!!!

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    #24033494 - 01/23/17 03:11 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Hey Cube yeah man if you can set up a small plastic tub you might have handy like they are saying it will help a LOT.  I went thru the same shit when I was just starting out.


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    #24033552 - 01/23/17 03:32 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Quote:

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You missed this. Pick those because they'll rot. The ones that have aborted cut them out with a fine blade. i picked the rotting pins/aborted pins off with a knife just now

That and the fuzzy puff mycelium that the cake has. Worked with them myself. I dunked and rerolled them & they pinned in a week. i shouldnt dunk and re roll when i have pins all over the cake right? i will after first flush

You've lost the casing layer of the cake. That is to say, perlite gives rise to air in a shotgun fruiting chamber (SGFC). The cake is rolled to create millions of microclimates to initiate pinning.

When mycelium is fighting bacteria, for whatever reason colonizes the verm. Upon rerolling, you give if a new one. Now the cake "knows" it better fruit and will give it's best effort to creature the reproductive organ (the mushroom itself).i didnt know that when cakes are fighting bacteria thats what causes the verm casing to get colonized, thank you

It looks like it needs a dunk and reroll. Let it sit a few days after rolling. You certainly don't need any more moisture in there. If I had a jerry rigged setup like that, I'd have a small desk fan going every couple hours for a little bit and come mist when necessary.. and I'd hold the nozzle to the hole and spray 360 degrees around the cake.i cant dunk and re roll it would ruin all my pins i finally got

Do you have holes in the bottom of the soda bottle? If not you can reconstruct it. Empty everything out (and use less perlite next time). Try and set it on something that'll allow air to come up through the holes.yes i have holes all over

Also, make sure the cake isn't sitting on the perlite. Just an upside down jar lid to set it on. If it's just that one cake then don't reroll or dunk it. Set it in a shallow dish of water and give it directly to the cake, not by over misting in the bottle.its on an aluminum peice

Edit: if it was mine I'd put a few tablespoons of wet verm on top so the pins have "passive water" and a saturated cake (bottom watering in a dish), since it'd be pointless to apply a casing layer now. The wet verm on top will encourage it to grow that way (it already is anyhow). Then cut misting and let perlite do air flow, while your rehydrated cake with verm to work with fruits.so stop misting so mush (3-4 times a day) and just let the layer of verm that i already have ontop of the cake, and the perlite do the work?


Edit for the 3rd time.. I thought you had many cakes and a sgfc. But I'll leave that info in case someone stumbles on this and needs to know what to do with slow pinning bacteria cakes that have had the verm encompassed. I think it's one of two times that cakes should be rerolled. The other being PE and KSSS on cakes, since they drink so much water and are slow to pin on cakes.



i apologize to all, especially adden for me bein a lil bitch. thanks for genuinely trying to help even after my arrogance




you said you might be able to help me achieve big fruits if i told you whats been the process since pc'ing

setting:- closet(if i dont put in a closet, fruit flys swarm my fc)
        - 5000k light bulb 12/12
        - misting/fanning 3-4 times a day
        - i air out the closet to promote better FAE twice a day by putting an air cleaner/fan in the closet for about 1-2 minutes at a time
so first off i made a ghetto milk jug rig, i had the cake in there for 1 week
untill i then moved it into a gheto 2 liter rig
after 2 weeks pinning started
some pins were aborts, but i just cutt them off so heres where im at, anything i forgot plz ask
<before

after>




You should be OK here on in. No need to mist anymore, really. If there's some sort of air current circulating around it'll help.. you've done the best you can with this cake just hope for the best. You've got pins and it's got water and has evap, you'll still pull something out of this.

I got faith in you man. And if this messes up, just do it again with a SGFC, and now you know how to handle a cake that's compromised. This hobby is a continuous learning process. Let us know if you need any further help. Might have fruits by the weekend.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: Peteyboy]
    #24033887 - 01/23/17 05:43 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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ya racist prick...

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:rofl2:

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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: Pipefitter537]
    #24034340 - 01/23/17 07:36 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

yea im gonna continue to keep this as a hobby i have pint jars colonizing and some 1/2 pints consolodized and ready for birth and i got 2 unused syringes PE,and GT

i have this old tub lying around i marked with the holes and will be drilling them tomorrow if i can get someone to bring me a drill

and idk why ur still on dis, to clear dat up im white and love all races so idk how im racist, if u were offended then u prolly have somthings u gotta work out on your own


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333]
    #24034375 - 01/23/17 07:50 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Cubensis333, you can start a new thread for a grow log and move on from this one. You can update it with what you've done and are planning on and if you have questions we can help you if you need anything.


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    #24034744 - 01/23/17 10:43 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333]
    #24034800 - 01/23/17 11:18 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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the only thing i gotta "act like", is some sophisticated fuckhead who types with 100% grammer, so you old white fucks can understand what im saying. or i get spammed with helpless relpys with use grammar i cant help you .... now thats mature

and im not even trippin my mushrooms are bouta grow and i did get som help to get me where im at and it was from the few people on here who actually fuckin helped me. instead of the old drunk bastards like you, who just like to make self-satisfying jokes to themselves and their online friends




well this turned ugly :eek:

Look theres no way to tell what bacteria u have, it happens.

Easy on the misting. Too much misting is bad. mist only when it looks dry.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: Adden] * 1
    #24036780 - 01/24/17 05:58 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

my biggest pin i had has now turned black the gods are punishing me, i shouldnt have talked shit:hank:


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    #24037087 - 01/24/17 07:40 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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    #24037207 - 01/24/17 08:31 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Op you need agar work to help you.  Start with some fresh spores.  Hopefully you already whipped up a sab...

Throw that fruiting contraption you got there back in the trash.  Get some grain for your future clean agar spawn, and a mono tub.


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Now that is living off the land.


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    #24037359 - 01/24/17 09:44 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

What more of an explanation do you need besides its bacterial? Youre definitely not getting enough fae and misting too much or something which is why the shrooms are aborting and look slimy and how hard would it be to ask a friend to go pick you up a 54 qt tub at walmart to build a proper sgfc? When i was on house arrest i still made shit work with what i was doing... you will need to accept criticism if you want to continue getting help sometimes people are pretty hard on noobs because exactly how ypu acted... suck up your pride and read what people are telling you or dont post shit use the search function with a few words of what is going on there are millions of posts with just abput anything you will encounter i didnt post much when i started i just read other peoples problems


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    #24037551 - 01/24/17 11:29 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

throw the fruiting chamber in the trash??? yes good idea, i got my drill today and ima drill the holes in the tub i have and move the cake into the proper sgfc.

its not to late to give my cake a better environment right? i mean i been babying this cake since 1/1/17 i am NOT tossing it, fuckk thatt, ima try my best to save the cake with all your advice


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    #24037723 - 01/25/17 03:31 AM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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throw the fruiting chamber in the trash??? yes good idea, i got my drill today and ima drill the holes in the tub i have and move the cake into the proper sgfc.

its not to late to give my cake a better environment right? i mean i been babying this cake since 1/1/17 i am NOT tossing it, fuckk thatt, ima try my best to save the cake with all your advice




If your cake is as bacterial as it appears, you can do whatever you want with it but expecting some big healthy mushrooms to come out of it this late in the game because you put it in a better fruiting chamber is a long-shot, at best.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #24038809 - 01/25/17 02:26 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

Why are you si resistant to doing it right? You fucked up ONE cake. It's time to admit,realize and get over. You aren't fixing anything and it's not worth the efforts. How/why the f do you even have ONE cake. It's so much extra work to only do a few and there's little output. I know it sucks but sorry you gotta start over. Do it right this time.


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    #24039024 - 01/25/17 03:51 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

It sounds like he has drive and commitment. He has pins, cake needs some water, I've done better with less. At the very least, OP will learn what a cake doesn't want, and will be able to apply that knowledge to what a cake does want. I admire this guy. Gotta give him credit for staying in the game even if it's a **real** hail Mary pass.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: Adden]
    #24039081 - 01/25/17 04:02 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

adden i made the fruiting chamber !! hopefully things will look up from here

and my other cake started pinning at exactly the 2 week mark, just like my first one... maybe grows with the worst conditions ,max pin time is 2 weeks?? and that 2nd cake, since it just started pinning yesterday and i already put into proper chamber i think it will do much better then 1st pinning cake


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #24039090 - 01/25/17 04:04 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

kauaiorca i know it might be to late for the first cake, but i have 2!!!!! my 2nd cake just started pinning yesterday
and i still got these things i need to do somthing with asap


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: cubensis333]
    #24039127 - 01/25/17 04:12 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

You need to put holes in the top and bottom too like you did the sides. Put 4 inches of perlite in there and get it wet and kind of fluff it up a bit so it's not compact. Make sure it's elevated 6 inches up off the table. You want air currents coming from underneath and able to exit out the top and sides.

Here check it out.. this spells stuff out pretty good.

The Basic Principles of a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC).

What do the pins look like on cake 2?

And don't forget to wash your hands before handling cakes. And *never* touch your cellphone and touch a cake. The average cellphone has more contaminates than a dozen toilets or something ridiculous. May as well dunk them in the toilet overnight haha.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: Adden]
    #24039155 - 01/25/17 04:17 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

where should i poke holes in the top? in the cardboard part or wax paper part, i had to make that makeshift lid because i had no lid, and someone who told me to do this also said it worked for them without holes in top, but idk...

and yes there are holes in bottom, and the platform its sitting on is like a metal rack so it gives airflow from the floor to the chamber

and 2nd cake pins look sexy af ill get a pic
its not like a huge pinset but i did notice the pins on this cake look healthy like the ones on the first cake DID, until they aborted

and hell yea i keep my hands clean as fuck i got a bottle of alcohol i drench my hands in it everytime i handle the cakes


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: cubensis333] * 1
    #24039175 - 01/25/17 04:24 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

You can just wash your hands.. they're already in open air.

I'd use anything but cardboard. It gets wet and it's dirty and harbors nasties.


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    #24040222 - 01/26/17 12:46 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

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    #24040656 - 01/26/17 08:22 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Washing hands removes ALL foreign material(only if you do it right). Alcohol doesn't kill spores.


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    #24040775 - 01/26/17 09:39 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

so normal hand soap and water is better then rubbing alcohol??

also a lil update on the cakes since I put into the SGFC, the 2nd cake that started pinning with beautiful pins is doing well. It looks like the biggest pin on the 2nd cake I took a pic of, has almost doubled in size over night.

to get better FAE I keep the closet door cracked an inch open with a big air purifier a couple feet away

<<<this is the air purifier I got, pretty nice huh


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    #24040780 - 01/26/17 09:41 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Yeah, but make sure you wash thoroughly. Definitely look up how to do it right, or else you waste your time. 90% of people don't know how to wash they hands and it's basically useless.

That cake/setup looks a lot better, from what I can see. :thumbup: 

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    #24040817 - 01/26/17 10:01 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Washing your hands and arms like a doctor with non antibacterial soap is far more effective than hand sanitizer or alcohol.

Basically :whathesaid:


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    #24040847 - 01/26/17 10:13 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

dam I didn't know that, ill be washin my hands instead from now on


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    #24040870 - 01/26/17 10:21 AM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Alcohol tries to kill, and it kills like 99.9-99.99 well if you have
1,000,000 bacteria on your hands .01% is still 100 bacteria. And 100 is the same as 1,000,000 since all it takes is 1

Alcohol doesn't remove them from your hands, just tries to kill

Soap doesn't necessarily kill(it does though) but it actually just removes them from your hands. Thus being more effective


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    #24041137 - 01/26/17 12:16 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

Yep. 99.9% of bacteria, thus permitting resistant and stronger bacteria to multiply. On top of that, it kills 0% of spores. lol. Also, what he said.. don't use antibacterial. not only is it carcinogenic, it's literally 0% more effective than nonantibacterial soap. and it contributes to evil resistant bacteria, which no one wants.


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    #24041143 - 01/26/17 12:20 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

bacterial spores that is


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    #24041577 - 01/26/17 03:00 PM (7 years, 4 days ago)

shit i gotchu, and look at the cake now, i think the cakes werent doing well before because of literally no FAE, and too much moisture, so i mist like half as much, and i keep the closet door cracked with the air purifier next to it.

well only like half a day later and the cake trippled its pins and the biggest pin is actually growing RIGHT, it looks way healthier of a pin then the slimy aborted ones i showed you before

i think the grow can only get better from this point as thats all im seeing is improvement since moving it into the SGFC and cracking the door and misting less


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