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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333]
    #24032083 - 01/22/17 10:15 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: cubensis333]
    #24032120 - 01/22/17 10:36 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

If you think it's only a bunch of old white guys, then you're clearly an irrational and delusional racist. We get people from around the world who don't even speak English, and end up learning it just to post on these boards.

The existence of this place is like a classroom environment, and if you act that way then people are going to respect you as much as you respect them.

The best qualities we have are from people who do a round of cakes and then do 12 tubs a month and astound us all. We have people from Africa, South Africa, Indonesia, South Korea, China (few), Japan and all over the globe. You're seeing the forest for the trees, man.

You need to understand that the people who volunteer their time and effort do this on a daily basis. Everyone's goal here is to help and teach others how to grow mushrooms.

There's no need to be rough around the edges. Don't forget people are just here to help. You can't go attacking or insulting people just because you are frustrated you don't understand it. This hobby is never mastered. It's a lifelong learning experience, and facets of this science and mathematics and exploration. You've gotta leave your attitude at the door.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: Adden]
    #24032139 - 01/22/17 10:46 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

yes you do get a lot of people from all over the world, WHOM ARE LOOKING FOR HELP. and the ones GIVING help are NOT, theyre the fucks i already described
read the thread i came in wit respect and got sarcasm in return
and summary to what you said: not everyone here is white, and this forum has helped and seen a lot of people succeed, and people treat you how you treat them.

-people who reply to me with sarcastic dumbass comments are the old beergut having fucks, i can tell the way theyre talking
-and i never said this forum didnt help me did I??? no, i said and i have received help from certain people, im not bashing them, im bashing you sarcastic losers with no time on their hands but to come on here and give helpess answers.
-and i didnt come into this forum with sarcasm, but the ones im referring to DID, so thats WHY infact i feed you the same as you feed me. stop tryna kiss ass to the forum bruv

^^im jus infact treatin u da way you treat me so idk what youre sayin boss, and 6 people are ignoring you so im sure youre one of them


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: cubensis333]
    #24032185 - 01/22/17 11:12 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

If you tell me what you're trying to accomplish from A to Z and what you've done so far A-Z, I can help you. Bacterial contamination isn't the end of the world and it's not too late to fix this. It happens to a lot of new growers because of vendor syringes or an outside (when a cake is weak and someone touched a faucet). Just staight up tell me what you did from the PC to right now, and I'll help you fix your shit. Stop being an ass, tho, and chill it's alright. You've got pins which is a lot further than some people get so let's turn them into big mushrooms.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: camerinkw]
    #24032219 - 01/22/17 11:37 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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camerinkw said:
See how some of those caps are opening already? That shouldn't be happening.




You missed this. Pick those because they'll rot. The ones that have aborted cut them out with a fine blade.

That and the fuzzy puff mycelium that the cake has. Worked with them myself. I dunked and rerolled them & they pinned in a week.

You've lost the casing layer of the cake. That is to say, perlite gives rise to air in a shotgun fruiting chamber (SGFC). The cake is rolled to create millions of microclimates to initiate pinning.

When mycelium is fighting bacteria, for whatever reason colonizes the verm. Upon rerolling, you give if a new one. Now the cake "knows" it better fruit and will give it's best effort to creature the reproductive organ (the mushroom itself).

It looks like it needs a dunk and reroll. Let it sit a few days after rolling. You certainly don't need any more moisture in there. If I had a jerry rigged setup like that, I'd have a small desk fan going every couple hours for a little bit and come mist when necessary.. and I'd hold the nozzle to the hole and spray 360 degrees around the cake.

Do you have holes in the bottom of the soda bottle? If not you can reconstruct it. Empty everything out (and use less perlite next time). Try and set it on something that'll allow air to come up through the holes.

Also, make sure the cake isn't sitting on the perlite. Just an upside down jar lid to set it on. If it's just that one cake then don't reroll or dunk it. Set it in a shallow dish of water and give it directly to the cake, not by over misting in the bottle.

Edit: if it was mine I'd put a few tablespoons of wet verm on top so the pins have "passive water" and a saturated cake (bottom watering in a dish), since it'd be pointless to apply a casing layer now. The wet verm on top will encourage it to grow that way (it already is anyhow). Then cut misting and let perlite do air flow, while your rehydrated cake with verm to work with fruits.


Edit for the 3rd time.. I thought you had many cakes and a sgfc. But I'll leave that info in case someone stumbles on this and needs to know what to do with slow pinning bacteria cakes that have had the verm encompassed. I think it's one of two times that cakes should be rerolled. The other being PE and KSSS on cakes, since they drink so much water and are slow to pin on cakes.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: cubensis333]
    #24032296 - 01/23/17 12:35 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

If there's something in my post that you don't understand then please ask and I'll clarify. But let's get some fruits out of that thing ok? Show me a picture of what it looks like. If the label is still on take it off it needs more light.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: Adden]
    #24032320 - 01/23/17 12:53 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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Do my pins look healthy?




That's how this thread started.

Bodhi and Adden are both very competent cultivators. If you were so confident in your conclusions, why did you ask?

You've been given competent advice from some of the best around, and yet you argue.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #24032335 - 01/23/17 01:04 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

I hope he follows my advice and gets a lot of big and tall healthy mushrooms. I wanna see him succeed coz I know he can.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: Adden] * 3
    #24032339 - 01/23/17 01:06 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Me too. I want everyone to have amazing mushies.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #24032362 - 01/23/17 01:27 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Bodhi is some of the best around.. I only do cakes, and spend the rest of my time with culture work on psilo species, and do planters, LC for outside beds and that sort of thing. Now that the ground isn't gonna be so frozen I'm spawning one of my planters and moving some ivy and firewitch. It'll be a cool area for people to appreciate and it's like 20 gallons of spawn haha.

..But I've had 200 of these pass through my hands, I've seen mostly everything, and growing up we used the teks from the archives. I remember a lot of contaminated and dry cakes and bacteria from cakes sitting in geolite with an air bubbler and hygrometer.

But yeah I'd bottom wafer that put more holes in the bottle, rehydrate perlite and keep less in, and get a desk lamp and fan on those with 12/12 light and 5 minute of a small fan every 2-3h. Easy. We had to ghetto rig stuff in high school. The cake looks thirsty and needs more air.. stop misting and just put wet verm on top and careful not to damage the pins..

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wildernessjunkie said:
Me too. I want everyone to have amazing mushies.




That's why it's nice having people like you around.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: Adden]
    #24032499 - 01/23/17 04:51 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

You're getting a lot of great advice from people that grow a lot of cakes and know what you should be doing.  You have a less than optimal fruiting chamber and people are trying to help you get it to work.  What everyone here is probably thinking is why don't you break down, spend about $20-25 bucks and make a proper fruiting chamber and do it in a way that gives you much better odds and you can put a bunch of cakes in there at the same time? 

I do think everyone posting here is really hoping you have some success.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #24032535 - 01/23/17 05:33 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

:facepalm: I swear their is at least one person like this a day. Hope he succeeds.


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Re: pins look ok? pins with open caps? [Re: TheCyndicate]
    #24032665 - 01/23/17 07:49 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

On the other hand, if he does succeed, he may continue to think he's hot shit.  Credit where credit is due dude.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: Adden]
    #24033008 - 01/23/17 11:13 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Adden said:

You missed this. Pick those because they'll rot. The ones that have aborted cut them out with a fine blade. i picked the rotting pins/aborted pins off with a knife just now

That and the fuzzy puff mycelium that the cake has. Worked with them myself. I dunked and rerolled them & they pinned in a week. i shouldnt dunk and re roll when i have pins all over the cake right? i will after first flush

You've lost the casing layer of the cake. That is to say, perlite gives rise to air in a shotgun fruiting chamber (SGFC). The cake is rolled to create millions of microclimates to initiate pinning.

When mycelium is fighting bacteria, for whatever reason colonizes the verm. Upon rerolling, you give if a new one. Now the cake "knows" it better fruit and will give it's best effort to creature the reproductive organ (the mushroom itself).i didnt know that when cakes are fighting bacteria thats what causes the verm casing to get colonized, thank you

It looks like it needs a dunk and reroll. Let it sit a few days after rolling. You certainly don't need any more moisture in there. If I had a jerry rigged setup like that, I'd have a small desk fan going every couple hours for a little bit and come mist when necessary.. and I'd hold the nozzle to the hole and spray 360 degrees around the cake.i cant dunk and re roll it would ruin all my pins i finally got

Do you have holes in the bottom of the soda bottle? If not you can reconstruct it. Empty everything out (and use less perlite next time). Try and set it on something that'll allow air to come up through the holes.yes i have holes all over

Also, make sure the cake isn't sitting on the perlite. Just an upside down jar lid to set it on. If it's just that one cake then don't reroll or dunk it. Set it in a shallow dish of water and give it directly to the cake, not by over misting in the bottle.its on an aluminum peice

Edit: if it was mine I'd put a few tablespoons of wet verm on top so the pins have "passive water" and a saturated cake (bottom watering in a dish), since it'd be pointless to apply a casing layer now. The wet verm on top will encourage it to grow that way (it already is anyhow). Then cut misting and let perlite do air flow, while your rehydrated cake with verm to work with fruits.so stop misting so mush (3-4 times a day) and just let the layer of verm that i already have ontop of the cake, and the perlite do the work?


Edit for the 3rd time.. I thought you had many cakes and a sgfc. But I'll leave that info in case someone stumbles on this and needs to know what to do with slow pinning bacteria cakes that have had the verm encompassed. I think it's one of two times that cakes should be rerolled. The other being PE and KSSS on cakes, since they drink so much water and are slow to pin on cakes.



i apologize to all, especially adden for me bein a lil bitch. thanks for genuinely trying to help even after my arrogance




you said you might be able to help me achieve big fruits if i told you whats been the process since pc'ing

setting:- closet(if i dont put in a closet, fruit flys swarm my fc)
        - 5000k light bulb 12/12
        - misting/fanning 3-4 times a day
        - i air out the closet to promote better FAE twice a day by putting an air cleaner/fan in the closet for about 1-2 minutes at a time
so first off i made a ghetto milk jug rig, i had the cake in there for 1 week
untill i then moved it into a gheto 2 liter rig
after 2 weeks pinning started
some pins were aborts, but i just cutt them off so heres where im at, anything i forgot plz ask
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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: amidogen]
    #24033097 - 01/23/17 12:12 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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The "so-called" contam is bacteria. We can tell because the cake in your so-called fruiting chamber shows the signs of bacterial contamination. The cake looks thick and puffy like cottage cheese. The cake and the fruits are wet and look slimy. That's why we know your cake has bacteria.



Pretty sure this covers the question of what bacteria would look like.....


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: CapnZ]
    #24033163 - 01/23/17 12:53 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Make a proper sgfc. Problems solved.


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: camerinkw]
    #24033226 - 01/23/17 01:18 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Dude asks what's wrong with his cake.

Some of the best mush growers on Earth tell him it's bacteria.

Dude gets offended because the answer to his question wasn't what he wanted an has obviously done zero research.

What the fuck? At least this old white guy can pull off a flush..


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: camerinkw]
    #24033273 - 01/23/17 01:35 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Make a proper sgfc. Problems solved.




^^^^^^^ This. 

He said he'd knocked over his setup up a couple of times and knocked off the pins that were coming out.  We're not talking about a full on automated $1,000 green  house here, an SGFC is what, $20-25?


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #24033306 - 01/23/17 01:45 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

lol i already said abuncha times i would make da sgfc but i cant leave my home!@!@!

and i didnt get mad cuz they told me its bacterial, i was sick of hearing "its bacterial", with no explaination of why its bacterial

and if i had done zero research then i wouldnt have been able to get colonized jars, or get pins in the first place so plz stop tryna hate for no reason i already apologized


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Re: does biggest pin look ok? b+ [Re: cubensis333]
    #24033353 - 01/23/17 02:06 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

It's all good guys. He's willing to take help now..

Hey cubensis333.. do you have a small plastic tote somewhere? A bin full of junk you can empty out? Gotta have a spare one laying around somewhere. Then you can use a drill with 1/4" holes and make a SGFC. If not a nail heated on the stove or with a butane torch and a pair of pliers will work too.

After you get this cake flushed, are you going to make more? Usually a tote that can fit 12 or 18 is best but you can always make a small one if you're going to continue with the hobby.


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