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Woodchips now what?
    #24030952 - 01/22/17 03:46 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

So I was at a local barnhunt event with my dog and noticed a dumpsite for woodchips.  Of course my first thought was how can I make this into mushrooms.  Im not sure the wood type, but from the bark I am pretty certain it isnt pine, looks fresh and is possibly alder and maybe some eucalyptus mixed in. I filled a few feed bags to see if it would work for fruiting substrate for one of my mushroom projects.  I have jars of grain spawn of lions mane, enoki, reshi, blue, king and phoenix oysters and even a few jars of ps cyan almost fully colonized on milo.  I will throw together some sort of drum pasturizer or steam sterilizer this week and play mushrooms, but was wondering what my best use of this giant pile of woodchips might be. (besides a super soaker of cyan lc :wink:)


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Roostorf]
    #24030980 - 01/22/17 04:01 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/10862/Noobies-Sawdust-Wood-Chip-Tek
Thinking something like this, but the wood pellets at my local stores don't say they come from hardwood, they either don't say at all or say Douglas fir (which I have read works for certain types and is resistant to thrich). Does any wood fuel pellet work because I haven't found a good source of sawdust yet.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Roostorf]
    #24031028 - 01/22/17 04:21 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Ive had good luck growing oysters on boiled wood chips.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Roostorf]
    #24031037 - 01/22/17 04:22 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Ps. Cyanescens, azurescens, serbica, ovoideocystidiata, list goes on.. what is your goal? Beds of psychoactives?


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Adden]
    #24031219 - 01/22/17 05:22 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

How are hemlock and oak? I know alder and Douglas fir are recommended, but am not sure how other hardwoods compare to those. I'm spawning reishi and maitake alder pellets to wood chips outdoors.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Adden]
    #24031225 - 01/22/17 05:24 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Im not trying to produce tons of actives, maybe a patch or two closer to home, but not really my main goal.  I just like growing mushrooms, I am into agriculture and sustainability and as a farmer my real goal is to recycle waste and bi products to make usuable food, whether feeding my chickens expired bread from the bread outlet, using wood chip piles for mushrooms or using mushroom compost and animal manure to grow my plants.  I just like to take advantage of the wonderful cycle of life.  That being said i am totally gonna seed the rest of that wood chip lot with tons of cyanescens as soon as I get the chance.  Wish I could try some of the other types you mentioned but right now I only have wild cyan spore prints I started on agar and transeferred to LC and grain


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Roostorf]
    #24031231 - 01/22/17 05:26 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Oak is good for most mushrooms but is dense and takes longer to break down is my understanding. Not sure about hemlock, but i know lots of mushrooms are found in hemlock forests around here.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: AndyHinton]
    #24031285 - 01/22/17 05:43 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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How are hemlock and oak? I know alder and Douglas fir are recommended, but am not sure how other hardwoods compare to those. I'm spawning reishi and maitake alder pellets to wood chips outdoors.




Douglas fir, hemlock and alder and oak work, among others.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Roostorf]
    #24031295 - 01/22/17 05:45 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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Im not trying to produce tons of actives, maybe a patch or two closer to home, but not really my main goal.  I just like growing mushrooms, I am into agriculture and sustainability and as a farmer my real goal is to recycle waste and bi products to make usuable food, whether feeding my chickens expired bread from the bread outlet, using wood chip piles for mushrooms or using mushroom compost and animal manure to grow my plants.  I just like to take advantage of the wonderful cycle of life.  That being said i am totally gonna seed the rest of that wood chip lot with tons of cyanescens as soon as I get the chance.  Wish I could try some of the other types you mentioned but right now I only have wild cyan spore prints I started on agar and transeferred to LC and grain




Chickenscratch is high in nitrates. You could spawn something like agrocybe praecox to keep a tight top layer which most woodlovers enjoy (esp cyans).

Maybe Stevo and LoM can help. I'll light up the bat signal.

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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Adden]
    #24031332 - 01/22/17 05:54 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Thanks! I have a syringe of black poplar (agrocybe aegerita) I can try since i dont have the praecox, but im pretty sure even though its new it is contaminated, so I will go about my first clean up attempt on agar tomorrow when my petris arrive.  Btw do you mean chicken scratch or chicken shit, because scratch is corn milo and wheat and would seem like something you could use as spawn


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Roostorf]
    #24031362 - 01/22/17 06:02 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Sorry, chicken poo. And yes any agrocybe will do well at tightening the top layer. They're pretty voracious.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Adden]
    #24031434 - 01/22/17 06:27 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Thats great, I have been thinking about adding it to straw for oysters but didnt realize woodships could be supplemented with the manure as well.  Im excited to get to use the poop twice, because ill still end up putting the compost in the garden. Also have rabbit poo which just eats organic alfalfa pellets and feathers from the meaties.  I will try to find some info and experiment with ratios this weekend.  Also interested in supplemented cardboard in the near future as well. 
Imteresting side note, we have years of experiance keeping rabbits for food, about a year ago we had a big problem getting them to reproduce, didnt matter which heritage, they would mate but no babies, I thought they were sterile, well we switched from conventional to organic feed and within a month we had pregnant does.  There is some bad stuff in that non-organic feed I tell you what.

Btw the rabbits dont eat feathers, i meant i also have feathers from our meat birds sometimes as well


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Roostorf]
    #24031537 - 01/22/17 07:00 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

I would try cold colonization and not bother with pasteurizing the substrate(woodchips). I didn't pasteurize a thing and had great results this last fall.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Adden]
    #24031673 - 01/22/17 07:38 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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How are hemlock and oak? I know alder and Douglas fir are recommended, but am not sure how other hardwoods compare to those. I'm spawning reishi and maitake alder pellets to wood chips outdoors.




No Douglas fir. Hemlock and alder and oak work, among others.




DF works for woodloving psilocybes.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #24031686 - 01/22/17 07:42 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Oh. I must have it mixed up. Thought we were supposed to stay away if we could. Thanks for clarifying.. I'll edit my post.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Adden]
    #24031994 - 01/22/17 09:27 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

DF works but it's best to let it ferment for a couple months beforehand if possible. I had spots where the cyan myc didn't take to fresh DF but 5 months later it would.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: liloldme]
    #24032002 - 01/22/17 09:34 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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DF works but it's best to let it ferment for a couple months beforehand if possible. I had spots where the cyan myc didn't take to fresh DF but 5 months later it would.




What's your method to ferment them? Is the fermentation for colonization, fruiting or both?


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: wildernessjunkie] * 1
    #24032059 - 01/22/17 10:06 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

I believe the process goes:

Step one:

Pile chips in the yard.

Step two:

Wait a few months.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #24032103 - 01/22/17 10:23 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Thanks for that advice LoM! I had checked out your cyan grow a few times already.  I always get lost in the pages of responses, did the places with liquid culture take as well as the wood chip spawn?  I saw you mentioned you were trying both.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #24032152 - 01/22/17 10:55 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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I believe the process goes:

Step one:

Pile chips in the yard.

Step two:

Wait a few months.



:smile:

OP. What were you after at the barn hunt? Rats?


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #24032172 - 01/22/17 11:06 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

My dog hunts rats, the barnhunt is in a competitive setting and they have the rats hidden in PVC tubes on a haybale course. Although she prefers doing it for real when she can actually eat the rats though.



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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #24032200 - 01/22/17 11:23 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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I believe the process goes:

Step one:

Pile chips in the yard.

Step two:

Wait a few months.




By that reasoning, the Doug Fir Pellets I have, have been fermenting in the bag as they sat on the shelf in the store. I suspect there might be more to it.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #24032270 - 01/23/17 12:19 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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Quote:

Mr Piggy said:
I believe the process goes:

Step one:

Pile chips in the yard.

Step two:

Wait a few months.




By that reasoning, the Doug Fir Pellets I have, have been fermenting in the bag as they sat on the shelf in the store. I suspect there might be more to it.



I think thats all there is too it. The fresh pile puts off serious heat as it starts to break down.
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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #24032289 - 01/23/17 12:33 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Yeah let them sit a few months or try to speed up things by submerging in water for a few weeks, I would think duration would depend on ambient temperature. I have yet to try it but here is a video


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: liloldme]
    #24032322 - 01/23/17 12:54 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

So no sterilization/pasteurization, just let it naturally rot and then let the mycelium take over just like in the nature? Sounds simple and good, BUT, why do all the wood-loving guides and TEKs have the sterilization/pasteurization in them??


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Roostorf]
    #24032328 - 01/23/17 12:59 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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Thanks for that advice LoM! I had checked out your cyan grow a few times already.  I always get lost in the pages of responses, did the places with liquid culture take as well as the wood chip spawn?  I saw you mentioned you were trying both.




I saw someone say the area didn't fruit. It'll turn into a patch though, in time, which is why we spread spore slurries, mature fruits, liquid cultures, stem-butts and bury cardboard etc. If you walk by the same area every year and keep introducing more of the species you'll get more of a natural habitat. LoM's patch is probably not going to fruit well next year unless he puts in more work. I'd pile it on existing areas instead of digging up an organism that's just trying to get stronger. The buried peat layers will be fantastic when it becomes it's own organism.

You can make your own patches, too. The last two seasons I've turned an eye-level area into an azure heaven. In a few years, this area will have phenotypes from almost Canada to SF bay. If you walk up this trail, it's almost straight vertical, mushrooms will now be conveniently located at eye level on the climb up. There's significant decay from cinquefoil and ferns. I'd like to hope one day someone finds a 50 foot patch with everything from red cap, to short stacks, teacups, nipples, tallboys all over this place. There was already significant mycelium this year, and all the end of the year dune cyan myc kind of uses the wind to jizz on adjacent grass. One day I hope some hiker sees it and thinks "nahh..." but stumbles across this stretch of Azures right to the sea. Probably won't be good until I'm 40.. but who knows if I'll be here (or care).. it'll be nice when it picks up and all the areas look knocked up now in its 2nd year.


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    #24032365 - 01/23/17 01:28 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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    #24032374 - 01/23/17 01:34 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

I'm such a weird guy.. I made the trail the same way a path on the east side heads with all the twists and turns. So if somebody took the mirror image and put it on the west side, they'll come across these paths and groves heading down to the sea chock full of mushrooms. Even better, since it's a mirror image of the other side, it looks like a mushroom. My own treasure map in my own weird way.


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    #24032395 - 01/23/17 02:03 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #24032900 - 01/23/17 10:11 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Thanks for all the great insight and advice! Since they have to rot slightly, I guess now's the time to buy hemlock wood chips.

Oak may be too dense for general use. I'll use it for the maitake bed if I can find a small amount cheap, as that mushroom naturally grows near oaks.

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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: AndyHinton]
    #24032905 - 01/23/17 10:14 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Those poor rats don't stand a chance once the terriers show up.  Just get out the bucket, pull up the compacted manure, and let the dogs take out the running rats.  :lol:


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #24032913 - 01/23/17 10:17 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Quote:

Mr Piggy said:
I believe the process goes:

Step one:

Pile chips in the yard.

Step two:

Wait a few months.




By that reasoning, the Doug Fir Pellets I have, have been fermenting in the bag as they sat on the shelf in the store. I suspect there might be more to it.





Not at all.  The chips piled outside are exposed to the elements and break down over time.  The pellets in a bag are dehydrated and shelf stabilized.  When you're growing wood lovers some types of chips do better after a rest, some like alder can be used fresh.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: AndyHinton]
    #24032921 - 01/23/17 10:21 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Oak may be too dense for general use.




Nah, Oak is great for woodlovers!  They love it.  If you make a mix of alder and oak your bed will last longer between re-chipping.  The myc will colonize the alder real quick and the oak gives it a long term fuel.

Gotta say though, one of the loudest things I've ever heard is Oregon white oak being fed into a chipper.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #24033170 - 01/23/17 12:55 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

"red cap, to short stacks, teacups, nipples, tallboys all over this place. " are those all phenotypes of azurescenes?    I only knew of the Hammond trail strain but I have yet to actually get to try any of them, just the local cyans and cubes I used to do when I was back in college.  I want to collect anything that I can grow around here, my climate is weird though, I'm supposed to be zone 9b but there are so many microclimates in my area I'm sure I could find an appropriate azure habit to inoculate if I had the spawn. I wish i could get cultures of everything from ovoideos to allienii, but Damn California and online shipping policies... I maybe in the fall I'll get lucky and find some, new additions.
Well mailman just came and delivered my 20pack of 4 compartment Petri dishes and my 5psi safety relief valve, so I have new fun things to play with.  Thanks so much guys! I love being on shroomery,
I had browsed the site about a decade ago when I tried growing my blue meanies, but now I am interested in the science of things and more than just psychoactives, it is great to see how this site has changed, I'm just sad I missed the era of RR :frown:


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Roostorf]
    #24033202 - 01/23/17 01:08 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Just general terms for the different looking azure phenos I've come across. Pretty much anything shared in my gallery from 2015 to 2016 all got mixed together with each other.. NW WA down to Bay Area.. probably a good few thousand butts over 2 years.. adding more genetics never hurts. Not using those terms as true "strains".. just descriptors off field observations.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #24033339 - 01/23/17 02:00 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

everything here is good info. Alder, oak, and maple are great to use right off the get go, same with willow.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: liloldme]
    #24033351 - 01/23/17 02:05 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I'm using Beech, but that's a European tree. (Fagus sylvatica) Real cheap good hardwood in EU.


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Re: Woodchips now what? [Re: Tiamo]
    #24033374 - 01/23/17 02:16 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I just dropped a dish of Ps. Caerulipes into grain, and swiped a dish of cyan, azure,ovoid, and gymnopilus for a woodlover project this spring.

I'm looking for some results like LOM!!

Good luck to everybody and their woodlover projects!


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