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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Webster10]
    #24034347 - 01/23/17 07:39 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

My bad.  I missed the word "international" the first time I read it.  :blush:


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #24034362 - 01/23/17 07:45 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Are falcon, ecstatic, and tipote just naive communist ideologues?
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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #24034407 - 01/23/17 08:02 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Communist?


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24034410 - 01/23/17 08:03 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Thats what socialism is. Did you think it was something else?


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #24034421 - 01/23/17 08:09 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Socialist?  I'm only 'socialist' regarding services that are necessary for the general welfare (education, roads, police, firefighters, etc.)

You know, kind of like Northern European and American socialism.


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24034520 - 01/23/17 08:48 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Its Socialism all the same, which means you want the state to be the ultimate arbitrator of resources in a lot of areas. Nobody ever does good with that much power. Its actually fairly foolish to give anyone that level of power over you. A lot of its aspects might fly with you because they for the greater good, like socialized medicine, but its when they sneak in things like immigration and social assistance under that same banner that they fuck you.

You might ask why this matters, and why being anti-immigration and illegals is such a big deal but what better ammo is there then a mass of indentured dependents? Acquiring one gives them a huge level of political firepower to leverage over the general population because their desires are extremely easy to feed into. Its a very clear cut motive and political mechanism at play here, and something you really dont want to feed into. Its far better to pay to correctly train and raise your population to be independent and non reliant then it is to pay them to sit on their ass's or invite illegals in to do the work.

Not only will the illegals over saturate the job market and disenfranchise a significant amount of the native population but in significant numbers they can tip the scale in a tight election, and that is something that politicians will abuse, like so.




Immigration and socialist policies errode the level of liberty and freedom and slowly give the state greater and greater powers because they nurture and cater to this mass of easy votes.

This is the same mechanism communism operates at and communism is just a powergrab for control of resources and political capital.

Thats why you're a communist ideologue.





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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #24034536 - 01/23/17 08:55 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

you had some epiphany, and that's great, but i think you missed something important on your path to political enlightenment.

There's nowhere to run.

As long as a two party system prevails in the U.S., both parties will continue to collude with the ultra-wealth establishment.  We'll continue to have our system of political "compromise" with thesis being presented by one extremist party and antithesis presented by the other so that we end up with a synthesis of the two.  Makes absolutely no difference if its the Communist Party vs the Nazi Party or the Democratic Socialist Party vs the Tea Party or whatever.  Pick your poison.  Some will vote Arsenic, and others will vote Strychnine.  The results are the same.


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24034691 - 01/23/17 10:07 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Tipote said:
:whateveryousayfreak:

if you were filled with so much conviction, what changed?

curse you god damn alt-right frogs :oldman:





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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
My bad.  I missed the word "international" the first time I read it.  :blush:



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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #24034702 - 01/23/17 10:18 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Its Socialism all the same, which means you want the state to be the ultimate arbitrator of resources in a lot of areas. Nobody ever does good with that much power. Its actually fairly foolish to give anyone that level of power over you. A lot of its aspects might fly with you because they for the greater good, like socialized medicine, but its when they sneak in things like immigration and social assistance under that same banner that they fuck you.

You might ask why this matters, and why being anti-immigration and illegals is such a big deal but what better ammo is there then a mass of indentured dependents? Acquiring one gives them a huge level of political firepower to leverage over the general population because their desires are extremely easy to feed into. Its a very clear cut motive and political mechanism at play here, and something you really dont want to feed into. Its far better to pay to correctly train and raise your population to be independent and non reliant then it is to pay them to sit on their ass's or invite illegals in to do the work.

Not only will the illegals over saturate the job market and disenfranchise a significant amount of the native population but in significant numbers they can tip the scale in a tight election, and that is something that politicians will abuse, like so.

Immigration and socialist policies errode the level of liberty and freedom and slowly give the state greater and greater powers because they nurture and cater to this mass of easy votes.

This is the same mechanism communism operates at and communism is just a powergrab for control of resources and political capital.

Thats why you're a communist ideologue.



If you look at the countries with the strongest middle classes, they all have a healthy dose of socialism.  The ones with the least Government involvement have the greatest income inequality.

I'd much rather be healthy middle class with Government owned streets, schools, etc. and social security waiting for me after I retire, than poor.

Again, look at the countries of the world and tell me which have a strong middle class without Government stepping in to prevent income inequality.


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24034816 - 01/23/17 11:29 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

You cannot cherry pick the best without including its historic and current failures. Maoist China, N.Korea, Stalins USSR and Venezuela are all excellent examples. I think if we tally up all the state run killing sprees those dictatorships initiated I think that would put us in the ball park of around 120 million people murdered. Which is equivalent to several super cities. 

The countries your referencing are also going up in flames right now because of the muslim invasion they fabricated because theyre socialists, so it seems in the short amount of time such policies were enacted they managed to put all of them on a fairly suicidal path.



^ That is not going to end well for the native population.


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 3
    #24034882 - 01/24/17 12:03 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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You cannot cherry pick the best without including its historic and current failures. Maoist China, N.Korea, Stalins USSR and Venezuela are all excellent examples.



So I can't cherry pick, but you can?  :flowstone:

Anyway, I'm not cherry picking, nor am I asking you to cherry pick (notice I didn't mention any specific country).  I'm simply asking which countries have the strongest middle class.  If you want to cherry pick the ones without strong Government involvement feel free; I'd love to know if any exist (the first dozen or so times I asked, I never got an answer).


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: psilynut] * 1
    #24035168 - 01/24/17 05:22 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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  I played sports in high school and I never heard anyone say stupid shit like that in a locker room . Actually bragging about sexual assault would probably get you a beat down . Real men stand up to morons who behave that way .




Virtue signaling LOL


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: qman]
    #24035282 - 01/24/17 07:10 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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qman said:
"He was clearly bragging about sexual assault"

In a joking manner, this is what men do.




Men joke and brag about sexual assault? some men, yes. aka dickheads.

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"explains in part why so many women are mobilized"

Yet, the white female vote got Trump elected.




yes which is why intersectionality is important. Some white women will talk about feminism and then hate on muslims/blacks/whatever including women. This shows there are multiple dividing lines.

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Do you know why this movement will fail like all other liberal movements?  There's no common ground other than hate straight white males, that's not enough for real unity.





This shares ground with straight white men too despite your efforts to ignore that or to label those men as not real men.. :lol:

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Mixing gays, lesbians, Muslims, women, blacks, Hispanics and illegals into one big group and expecting them to accomplish some common goal is laughable.





Why is that?


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Tipote]
    #24035424 - 01/24/17 08:52 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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Tipote said:
Quote:

qman said:
"He was clearly bragging about sexual assault"

In a joking manner, this is what men do.




Men joke and brag about sexual assault? some men, yes. aka dickheads.

Quote:


"explains in part why so many women are mobilized"

Yet, the white female vote got Trump elected.




yes which is why intersectionality is important. Some white women will talk about feminism and then hate on muslims/blacks/whatever including women. This shows there are multiple dividing lines.

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Do you know why this movement will fail like all other liberal movements?  There's no common ground other than hate straight white males, that's not enough for real unity.





This shares ground with straight white men too despite your efforts to ignore that or to label those men as not real men.. :lol:

Quote:


Mixing gays, lesbians, Muslims, women, blacks, Hispanics and illegals into one big group and expecting them to accomplish some common goal is laughable.





Why is that?




"Why is that?"

Are you serious?  What does a Muslim male have in common with a white lesbian other than hating straight white males?  NOTHING.

All of these demographics have different interests and goals, just hating Trump is not enough.

Also, they know one thing for certain and it's what makes the world they live in the better than 99% of the global population, they need their perceived enemy for their lifestyle to continue, basically they all have a love/hate thing going on with straight white males.


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: qman]
    #24035436 - 01/24/17 09:02 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

its not about 100% shared agendas, its about overlapping concerns.

because you can't google...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality

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Intersectionality (or intersectional theory) is a term first coined in 1989 by American civil rights advocate and leading scholar of critical race theory, Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw. It is the study of overlapping or intersecting social identities and related systems of oppression, domination, or discrimination. Intersectionality is the idea that multiple identities intersect to create a whole that is different from the component identities. These identities that can intersect include gender, race, social class, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, religion, age, mental disability, physical disability, mental illness, and physical illness as well as other forms of identity.[1] These aspects of identity are not “unitary, mutually exclusive entities, but rather…reciprocally constructing phenomena.”[1] The theory proposes that we think of each element or trait of a person as inextricably linked with all of the other elements in order to fully understand one's identity.[2]

This framework can be used to understand how systemic injustice and social inequality occur on a multidimensional basis.[3] Intersectionality holds that the classical conceptualizations of oppression within society—such as racism, sexism, classism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia and belief-based bigotry—do not act independently of each other. Instead, these forms of oppression interrelate, creating a system of oppression that reflects the "intersection" of multiple forms of discrimination.[4]




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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Tipote]
    #24035457 - 01/24/17 09:10 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Quote:

Tipote said:
its not about 100% shared agendas, its about overlapping concerns.

because you can't google...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality

Quote:

Intersectionality (or intersectional theory) is a term first coined in 1989 by American civil rights advocate and leading scholar of critical race theory, Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw. It is the study of overlapping or intersecting social identities and related systems of oppression, domination, or discrimination. Intersectionality is the idea that multiple identities intersect to create a whole that is different from the component identities. These identities that can intersect include gender, race, social class, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, religion, age, mental disability, physical disability, mental illness, and physical illness as well as other forms of identity.[1] These aspects of identity are not “unitary, mutually exclusive entities, but rather…reciprocally constructing phenomena.”[1] The theory proposes that we think of each element or trait of a person as inextricably linked with all of the other elements in order to fully understand one's identity.[2]

This framework can be used to understand how systemic injustice and social inequality occur on a multidimensional basis.[3] Intersectionality holds that the classical conceptualizations of oppression within society—such as racism, sexism, classism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia and belief-based bigotry—do not act independently of each other. Instead, these forms of oppression interrelate, creating a system of oppression that reflects the "intersection" of multiple forms of discrimination.[4]







I know all about this pie in the sky liberal nonsense, it's a big joke and nothing else.

Where can I signup for the victimization club?  I wanna become an oppressed victim as well.  :rofl2:  How could I do it Tip?


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 3
    #24035512 - 01/24/17 09:31 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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Thats what socialism is. Did you think it was something else?




Thinks socialism is communism but calls others naive.

Amazing.


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24035517 - 01/24/17 09:34 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Considered Hillary a viable candidate and was fully on board with the communist in the primaries, lol.


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 3
    #24035523 - 01/24/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

No and Bernie isnt a communist, either. He's barely even a socialist.

Youre so proud of your ignorance its adorable.


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Re: Womens March :) [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24035531 - 01/24/17 09:37 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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