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The women's march is hella transphobic
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The whole pussy obsession. As if all vaginas belong to women and as if all women have vaginas. That is total cisnormative stuff. This is the kind of thing that lost Hillary the election. Maybe if she spent the time running up to the election listening to us and promising to do better by us instead of jailing her dissenters, that .01% of the population or whatever could have tipped the balance. But no. For shame. Now we have a partially digested Cheeto for president and it's all because nobody fucking listens
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Kush_Zombie]
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: PatrickKn]
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Lol, I eagerly anticipate your witty and sophisticated contributions to my newest is-it-or-isnt-it-trolling thread. Wanna read me the definition of "fetish" one more time?
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I'd read it to you, but unfortunately because we're not talking with voice I'd have to spell it out for you instead.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: PatrickKn] 1
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Damn, you really got me with that one. Now everybody is gonna know how stupid I really am, deep down, where my tiny brain is
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Sophistic Radiance said: The whole pussy obsession. As if all vaginas belong to women and as if all women have vaginas. That is total cisnormative stuff. This is the kind of thing that lost Hillary the election. Maybe if she spent the time running up to the election listening to us and promising to do better by us instead of jailing her dissenters, that .01% of the population or whatever could have tipped the balance. But no. For shame. Now we have a partially digested Cheeto for president and it's all because nobody fucking listens 
you dont make up enough of the population to warrant hillary listening to you, if she was concerned about that she would have campaigned in those states that normally swing democrat but she believed she had the lock. that's a much larger voter base than the trans vote and she didnt give a fuck
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Way to try and tarnish a perfectly fine and normal event in its own right on account of your personal problems. You are why we can't have nice things.
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Is transphobia even really a thing? People don't really fear trans people, they just think they're weird.
Ya know??
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The second sentence in this post makes me cringe so hard. Vaginas do belong to women and trannies are insecure freaks. Get over it.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: shadyy]
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Transphobia is definitely a thing. Just because you and people you know haven't (I'm assuming) been affected by it, doesn't mean that it isn't a very real and very unfortunate social force that kills people on a regular basis.
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I bet this march somehow made you fear for your life right?
If not by the end of this thread you will claim this thread you started has caused you some fear.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: shadyy]
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i hate liz said: Is transphobia even really a thing? People don't really fear trans people, they just think they're weird.
Ya know??
trans/homo phobias arent real, it's just a way for some assholes to call other assholes assholes
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are you sure they actually fear you or are they just assholes?
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Supachopped719]
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My life causes me fear, so really, it doesn't matter if I get it from this thread or from some godawful consolidation of the hold of ivory-tower white feminism on the liberal conscience. I see harbingers of doom everywhere I look.
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Sounds like a you problem.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Supachopped719]
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Sounds like you're fixin' for a solution of some kind
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I have friends and family that participated in the march on DC today. While I know for a fact that most of them aren't transphobic (& I suspect that none of them are), I also don't think that any of them are involved with trans-activism. So while I'm genuinely sorry that you feel excluded by today's events, I also think it's more related to oversight & forgetfulness than it is to transphobia. I'm certain that had you, or any trans person, showed up there, the women I know would've welcomed your with open arms and minds. A lot of the women there today were there to demonstrate for issues that effect them, stuff like reproductive issues, and that's what their signs reflected. I think that as individuals they decided to focus on the issues that were directly important to them, and since you can't come out for every issue at once, they might've neglected the trans community. I'm sure that's down to people individually, and not part of a larger conspiracy to slight their transgender friends. So I hope you don't take it too personally.
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Cry about it.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Burke Dennings]
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My mom went, actually, and I don't think it would have occurred to her. Many of my friends went and I don't think they're transphobic. This thread is mainly just here to share a perspective that is overlooked whilst rustling just enough jimmies to get people to pay attention because nobody ever listens
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: stzacrack]
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Get the fuck out of my thread
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Lol
I'm about as as Pachoo on this one. Was actually gonna hide the thread at a title glance but curiosity got me. Annnnd I'm probably gonna go to bed and forget I read this. I really don't give a shit about politics.
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Hella gay troll thread bruh
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Burke Dennings said: I have friends and family that participated in the march on DC today. While I know for a fact that most of them aren't transphobic (& I suspect that none of them are), I also don't think that any of them are involved with trans-activism. So while I'm genuinely sorry that you feel excluded by today's events, I also think it's more related to oversight & forgetfulness than it is to transphobia. I'm certain that had you, or any trans person, showed up there, the women I know would've welcomed your with open arms and minds. A lot of the women there today were there to demonstrate for issues that effect them, stuff like reproductive issues, and that's what their signs reflected. I think that as individuals they decided to focus on the issues that were directly important to them, and since you can't come out for every issue at once, they might've neglected the trans community. I'm sure that's down to people individually, and not part of a larger conspiracy to slight their transgender friends. So I hope you don't take it too personally.
My mom went, actually, and I don't think it would have occurred to her. Many of my friends went and I don't think they're transphobic. This thread is mainly just here to share a perspective that is overlooked whilst rustling just enough jimmies to get people to pay attention because nobody ever listens 
What is overlooked? You just seem like you think you deserve attention for being different.
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You got me. My opinion and my choice to share it were based entirely on the faint glimmer of hope that it could induce you to pay attention to me.
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That's what he just said.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Repertoire89]
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I see what u mean!
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would that make you transphobic or a phobic trans?
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1]
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It makes me weird and hard to relate to
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I understand that completely, your own fears dont seem irrational to you while they may to many because those people dont have to slip into your skin every morning and while some may gawk at you because you make them feel uncomfortable which in turn makes you feel the same way, it doesnt mean they intend you any harm. calling these assholes transphobic is excusing their behavior as some kind of actual disorder when it's not. they're dickheads and that's all they are
now while most people that make you uncomfortable have no intention of doing you harm, there are still a few that may, I suggest buying a gun, getting a concealment permit and going through some training classes to learn to shoot and to deal with someone that does attempt to accost you
if a gun isnt an option, I suggest I knife, I'd send you one I have but I already know it's illegal in california, if I can locate my spiderco I'll sharpen it and send it and at the very least some OC spray with a dye in it. I really dont want to see you become a victim of the pricks in this world. like any weapon, learn the laws in your state and treat each just as if it were a gun
you need to live your life and be able to do so without fear
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pris it aint that simple 
sophi just be like me and use your fear as fuel to grow your power aka dont be a kylo ren, be a maul instead
then we can rule this galaxy together muahaha
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the march wasn't trasphobic at all it was just not organized or largely participated in by transsexuals, it wasn't meant to be but that doesnt mean transsexuals were specifically excluded from participating.
it seems that many transsexuals want to be thought of not as transsexuals at all, why?
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: I understand that completely, your own fears dont seem irrational to you while they may to many because those people dont have to slip into your skin every morning and while some may gawk at you because you make them feel uncomfortable which in turn makes you feel the same way, it doesnt mean they intend you any harm. calling these assholes transphobic is excusing their behavior as some kind of actual disorder when it's not. they're dickheads and that's all they are
now while most people that make you uncomfortable have no intention of doing you harm, there are still a few that may, I suggest buying a gun, getting a concealment permit and going through some training classes to learn to shoot and to deal with someone that does attempt to accost you
if a gun isnt an option, I suggest I knife, I'd send you one I have but I already know it's illegal in california, if I can locate my spiderco I'll sharpen it and send it and at the very least some OC spray with a dye in it. I really dont want to see you become a victim of the pricks in this world. like any weapon, learn the laws in your state and treat each just as if it were a gun
you need to live your life and be able to do so without fear
I'm definitely getting myself a gun sooner or later. Send me a when you find that spiderco, that's a really thoughtful offer.
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Cosmic_Flame said: pris it aint that simple 
sophi just be like me and use your fear as fuel to grow your power aka dont be a kylo ren, be a maul instead
then we can rule this galaxy together muahaha

It makes a good motivation to work out actually. I'm in the best shape of my life right now, also discovering crazy psionic powers and telekinesis that I never knew I had
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Also I'd like to note the world is largely transphobic by default. I mean we got politicians legislating on who gets to pee where and others advocating for conversion therapy and then in some places trying to push bs like a doctor doesn't have to treat trans people if it goes against their beliefs. There was a famous case of an EMT not treating a woman because she was trans, guess what she died. Oh and trans people being targeted all over the world. Sophi is sayin that cisnorms is a big piece of this problem. Its not just about vaginas and dicks but more so the fact that people think that solely defines a person. A lot of those people are in high positions of power and are pushing their backwards ass views as facts. Much how like the bullshit rhetoric politicians from decades past used to use on the gay community. Same shit, diff day...
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Cosmic_Flame said: pris it aint that simple 
sophi just be like me and use your fear as fuel to grow your power aka dont be a kylo ren, be a maul instead
then we can rule this galaxy together muahaha

It makes a good motivation to work out actually. I'm in the best shape of my life right now, also discovering crazy psionic powers and telekinesis that I never knew I had 
Yes, yess feel the power. Soon enough you'll have the world in your hands. We gotta make our own paradise, know what I mean
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those people you specifically mentioned are very backwards and imo fucked up individuals though and i do not believe they consitute the majority or a default in our society.
i think the reality is most people are unable to empathize or conceptualize the idea of being trans if they are not, just like how most people can not empathize or conceptualize what its like to be an opiate addict if they arent or never have been one. that doesnt mean they have a hatred or a predjudice against it though. 
its hard to expect people to do anything more than accept others for who they are without the need to understand truly what its like to be something they are not. people who try and infringe upon or trample the rights of others is an entirely unacceptable practice that i agree has gotten extremely out of control in our society and i will fight tooth and nail personally to prevent such things.
at the same time its blatantly apparent that transsexual people have more rights in society today than they have had in a very long time (possibly ever) since more of an organized effort is being put into bringing the topic to the forefront of society than ever before in human history, so from that vantage point i think tremendous progress has been made.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
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I believe in time trans will be as accepted as gays are now.
Just takes a lot of time for it to happen likely cause being trans perhaps looks more odd than being gay 
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
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LogicaL Chaos said: I believe in time trans will be as accepted as gays are now.
gays are more accepted now than they were 50 years ago but they still arent completely accepted even among those that claim to support gay rights, they play the game because it wins them popularity among their peers
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Just takes a lot of time for it to happen likely cause being trans perhaps looks more odd than being gay 
it's odd because of the fact that many trans people have hidden it from everyone for much of their life and arent transitioning until later in life, they're waiting until their in their 40s and 50s which comes as a huge shock to people they know and because of this they're often ostracized. we're frequently told that these things are wrong, that being gay/trans/what ever is a mental illness or some other load of shit and we're taught this stuff from a young age in most of the world but some cultures accept it
I was shown a picture of someone and informed she was a thai ladyboy, I was asked my thoughts, I stated that she was quite beautiful and when pushed for my opinion I gave an honest opinion, that I believe that some people are born to the wrong body. it is really my belief, everything withing them tells them they're women/men but their physical characteristics are that of the wrong sex. the girl that showed me the pic said that it's the same answer her father gave her when she was young
in places like cambodia, thailand, viet nam and laos these trans look more normalized as women because they start transitioning at a much earlier age, some even as they start puberty, it's more accepted in these cultures so they arent looked down upon and they're treated as anyone else, a part of it is because of the dominant religion. most of southeast asia is buddhist but some countries such as the Philippines is roman catholic, while ladyboys exist and live fairly normal lives there there is a taboo about it. it's a part of why much of the world has some crazy hangups about allowing other people to live their own lives
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: I understand that completely, your own fears dont seem irrational to you while they may to many because those people dont have to slip into your skin every morning and while some may gawk at you because you make them feel uncomfortable which in turn makes you feel the same way, it doesnt mean they intend you any harm. calling these assholes transphobic is excusing their behavior as some kind of actual disorder when it's not. they're dickheads and that's all they are
now while most people that make you uncomfortable have no intention of doing you harm, there are still a few that may, I suggest buying a gun, getting a concealment permit and going through some training classes to learn to shoot and to deal with someone that does attempt to accost you
if a gun isnt an option, I suggest I knife, I'd send you one I have but I already know it's illegal in california, if I can locate my spiderco I'll sharpen it and send it and at the very least some OC spray with a dye in it. I really dont want to see you become a victim of the pricks in this world. like any weapon, learn the laws in your state and treat each just as if it were a gun
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Cosmic_Flame] 2
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I don't want men in the bathroom while my girl is changing a diaper
Sorry, she feels the same way
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: stzacrack] 1
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stzacrack said: I don't want men in the bathroom while my girl is changing a diaper
Sorry, she feels the same way
so you'd rather have this person in the bathroom during that diaper change
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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Almost hit enter after typing an extremely politically incorrect/sarcastic response to your post
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: stzacrack]
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Patlal] 1
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i'm not transphobic i'm metaphobic
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Mad_Larkin] 1
#24029964 - 01/22/17 09:14 AM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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I love watching the far left inner conflict between the feminists and the transgenders. Feminists can't stand the transies idea that womanhood is just a state of mind, as well they shouldnt.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: rudebuoy] 4
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the transgender argument makes no sense. first they say that womanhood is just a state of mind, then they go to great lengths to change their physical body because they feel they couldn't be woman otherwise.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: mt cleverest]
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Transgendered people are like 0.001% of the population. They don't need to be put on such a high pedestal. And also, when non transgendered people go in the street in their name, it's like telling transgendered people that they aren't strong enough to fight their own fight and that they need that we inject ourselves in their cause. Kinda like a group of pasty white kids fighting for black rights. Who the fuck are you to do this and why do you think they can't stand up for themselves?
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Sophistic Radiance said: The whole pussy obsession. As if all vaginas belong to women and as if all women have vaginas. That is total cisnormative stuff. This is the kind of thing that lost Hillary the election. Maybe if she spent the time running up to the election listening to us and promising to do better by us instead of jailing her dissenters, that .01% of the population or whatever could have tipped the balance. But no. For shame. Now we have a partially digested Cheeto for president and it's all because nobody fucking listens 
But what do the women without a pussy have to worry about Trump grabbing them by?
From what was shown over the course of the election, it did not seem like Hillary or her supporters were interested in increasing the base she appealed to, and instead simply expected everyone else to see the nobility of her cause and move to support her. Similar to how Bernie supporters were targeted as sexist over not falling in line to vote for her.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Cosmic_Flame said: Also I'd like to note the world is largely transphobic by default. I mean we got politicians legislating on who gets to pee where and others advocating for conversion therapy and then in some places trying to push bs like a doctor doesn't have to treat trans people if it goes against their beliefs. There was a famous case of an EMT not treating a woman because she was trans, guess what she died. Oh and trans people being targeted all over the world. Sophi is sayin that cisnorms is a big piece of this problem. Its not just about vaginas and dicks but more so the fact that people think that solely defines a person. A lot of those people are in high positions of power and are pushing their backwards ass views as facts. Much how like the bullshit rhetoric politicians from decades past used to use on the gay community. Same shit, diff day...
I believe in time trans will be as accepted as gays are now.
Just takes a lot of time for it to happen likely cause being trans perhaps looks more odd than being gay 
And likely the fact that its still so new.
It's not actually new, that's the thing. Words like "transsexual" are new, but the actual people they describe have always been around. We were not invented by the medical industry. Transitioning was not invented by the medical industry. It's something that has always existed, but western institutions weren't permitted to study it until the 20th century, which is when they started making up words like "transsexual" and selling hormones in pills that we had previously been able to obtain from plant and animal sources. The surgery is new, but the surgery is not what makes a person trans.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: rudebuoy]
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rudebuoy said: I love watching the far left inner conflict between the feminists and the transgenders. Feminists can't stand the transies idea that womanhood is just a state of mind, as well they shouldnt.
Most feminists aren't transphobic but the elite ivory tower feminists are hella transphobic. They are also completely insane. Their paranoia of trans people induces them to reconstitute and reinforce the gender roles they ostensibly resist, such as "women are essentially nurturing" and "men are essentially violent", in order to suggest that trans women should not be permitted in women's spaces because their penis automatically makes them a rapist.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Connoisseur]
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rudebuoy said: I love watching the far left inner conflict between the feminists and the transgenders. Feminists can't stand the transies idea that womanhood is just a state of mind, as well they shouldnt.
Most feminists aren't transphobic but the elite ivory tower feminists are hella transphobic. They are also completely insane. Their paranoia of trans people induces them to reconstitute and reinforce the gender roles they ostensibly resist, such as "women are essentially nurturing" and "men are essentially violent", in order to suggest that trans women should not be permitted in women's spaces because their penis automatically makes them a rapist.
I think some of the hardcore feminists also prefer to think that gender roles are 100% socially constructed, with no basis whatsoever in biological differences. The idea that you can be socialized from childhood to fit one gender role, but that it doesn't "stick" because you're biologically wired otherwise, doesn't jive with this view.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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Just takes a lot of time for it to happen likely cause being trans perhaps looks more odd than being gay 
it's odd because of the fact that many trans people have hidden it from everyone for much of their life and arent transitioning until later in life, they're waiting until their in their 40s and 50s which comes as a huge shock to people they know and because of this they're often ostracized. we're frequently told that these things are wrong, that being gay/trans/what ever is a mental illness or some other load of shit and we're taught this stuff from a young age in most of the world but some cultures accept it ...
While not disagreeing with the core of your post, would just like to poke in at this part
From a young age, any interest held in 'feminine' traits was frequently squelched, because boys were expected to like certain things.
In my teen years, was allowed to start shopping for my own clothes, my family mostly considered me a black sheep and stopped caring, but wearing skirts and makeup in high school quite immediately and permanently acquired me a particular reputation, from which point on it was simply commonplace to be insulted, spit on, have stuff thrown at me. Sticking up for me resulted in my best friend getting sucker-punched and stomped in the school basement. People frequently made threats against my life, and even after moving across the country after graduation, returning for a visit 2 years later with a beard and men's clothing still resulted in the same people trying to come after me.
It was not until my late 20s that exposure to the concept of transitional surgery actually came up, had spent years hoping to simply one day wake up in an alternate universe born as a woman, then learned that people actually transition.
Currently regularly see multiple mental health professionals, but due to having also been diagnosed with the most severe level of classification for OCD, my approach to transitioning is necessarily more slow as result, specifically because my OCD causes a number of issues with inability to perceive the visible reality in front of me as accurate. If unable to look at a lamp with an unlit bulb and stop myself from being convinced it is turned on and an immediate fire hazard, kind of want to get that under control, due to likewise not perceiving being born with male parts as being accurate but the more heavily the OCD is medicated away, the more clear my focus toward transitioning progressively becomes.
That got a bit rambling, but to sort of close the loop, will be around my mid 30s by the time my name is actually on the waiting list for transitional surgery, then further years beyond that before actually getting in.
Am not trying to say that waiting towards my 40s or 50s is "not my fault," but that if going back to my 20s with knowledge, confidence, and support were an option it would be leapt upon far more early At this point, it is approaching middle-age and holding considerations toward the end of life, do not live particularly healthily, bad habits and apathy, could kick off by or before 60 Do I die as I lived? Do I instead hope to be able to love myself enough to care for myself Now that my life may see prolongning and potential happiness?
It's already a shit-show in my own mind, looking toward a shit-show of others trying to adapt is no consolation. Have been ostracized, spent a big portion of my life running because of it, now have to look at holding the bravery to run back into being ostracized.
Basically agree with you, and this is just a long, wordy, redundant description as to why but it's typed now, so hope posting it anyway has not resulted in too large of a waste of your time.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Patlal]
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1]
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the fact they littered all those signs is highly counter productive
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: psi] 1
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rudebuoy said: I love watching the far left inner conflict between the feminists and the transgenders. Feminists can't stand the transies idea that womanhood is just a state of mind, as well they shouldnt.
Most feminists aren't transphobic but the elite ivory tower feminists are hella transphobic. They are also completely insane. Their paranoia of trans people induces them to reconstitute and reinforce the gender roles they ostensibly resist, such as "women are essentially nurturing" and "men are essentially violent", in order to suggest that trans women should not be permitted in women's spaces because their penis automatically makes them a rapist.
I think some of the hardcore feminists also prefer to think that gender roles are 100% socially constructed, with no basis whatsoever in biological differences. The idea that you can be socialized from childhood to fit one gender role, but that it doesn't "stick" because you're biologically wired otherwise, doesn't jive with this view.
That's the other part of it. What's bizarre is that both oerspectives-- the one you outlined and the one I outlined-- actually coexist in these people's minds.
I feel like the sane feminist perspective to have is that men and women are different but that these differences can't be boiled down to limitations. For anything a man can do there is a woman out there who can do it as well or better, and vice versa. We don't have to say that men and women are exactly the same to support the idea that they should have equal chances at any given field of study and work. The TERFs get hung up on thinking that equality of opportunity requires uniformity.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Tantrika] 1
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Just takes a lot of time for it to happen likely cause being trans perhaps looks more odd than being gay 
it's odd because of the fact that many trans people have hidden it from everyone for much of their life and arent transitioning until later in life, they're waiting until their in their 40s and 50s which comes as a huge shock to people they know and because of this they're often ostracized. we're frequently told that these things are wrong, that being gay/trans/what ever is a mental illness or some other load of shit and we're taught this stuff from a young age in most of the world but some cultures accept it ...
While not disagreeing with the core of your post, would just like to poke in at this part
From a young age, any interest held in 'feminine' traits was frequently squelched, because boys were expected to like certain things.
In my teen years, was allowed to start shopping for my own clothes, my family mostly considered me a black sheep and stopped caring, but wearing skirts and makeup in high school quite immediately and permanently acquired me a particular reputation, from which point on it was simply commonplace to be insulted, spit on, have stuff thrown at me. Sticking up for me resulted in my best friend getting sucker-punched and stomped in the school basement. People frequently made threats against my life, and even after moving across the country after graduation, returning for a visit 2 years later with a beard and men's clothing still resulted in the same people trying to come after me.
It was not until my late 20s that exposure to the concept of transitional surgery actually came up, had spent years hoping to simply one day wake up in an alternate universe born as a woman, then learned that people actually transition.
Currently regularly see multiple mental health professionals, but due to having also been diagnosed with the most severe level of classification for OCD, my approach to transitioning is necessarily more slow as result, specifically because my OCD causes a number of issues with inability to perceive the visible reality in front of me as accurate. If unable to look at a lamp with an unlit bulb and stop myself from being convinced it is turned on and an immediate fire hazard, kind of want to get that under control, due to likewise not perceiving being born with male parts as being accurate but the more heavily the OCD is medicated away, the more clear my focus toward transitioning progressively becomes.
That got a bit rambling, but to sort of close the loop, will be around my mid 30s by the time my name is actually on the waiting list for transitional surgery, then further years beyond that before actually getting in.
Am not trying to say that waiting towards my 40s or 50s is "not my fault," but that if going back to my 20s with knowledge, confidence, and support were an option it would be leapt upon far more early At this point, it is approaching middle-age and holding considerations toward the end of life, do not live particularly healthily, bad habits and apathy, could kick off by or before 60 Do I die as I lived? Do I instead hope to be able to love myself enough to care for myself Now that my life may see prolongning and potential happiness?
It's already a shit-show in my own mind, looking toward a shit-show of others trying to adapt is no consolation. Have been ostracized, spent a big portion of my life running because of it, now have to look at holding the bravery to run back into being ostracized.
Basically agree with you, and this is just a long, wordy, redundant description as to why but it's typed now, so hope posting it anyway has not resulted in too large of a waste of your time. 
we certainly arent in disagreement, you've added a great deal more insight than I could have because I'm an outsider looking in and what you've said is very insightful. it gives me a better understanding and hopefully does the same for others
now for me to add a little more, waiting until later in life to transition isnt your fault, it's based on a very rational fear and very real world situations. you started experiencing the rejection from your family at a young age because you did express yourself as you felt, you became an outcast and attacked from many of the people you were growing up with, that in it's self takes a serious toll emotionally and having never been in your shoes or sophies, I cannot even fathom how rough it is. I've known a number of trans women and a few trans men through my life and every one of them showed a hell of a lot of strength to be so emotionally fragile.
now for the amusing anecdote. I had some friends over, one was a trans woman named dianne, another was a friend that just discharged from the army, he's not the typical bigoted soldier and we were taking him to a few clubs in atlanta, ted and dianne had met a few times before and he expressed an interest, well on this night everyone was trying to explain to him that dianne isnt the kind of girl he'd be interested in without outing her and she had politely turned down his advances. anyway, ted was in my bathroom taking a bath when dianne got there, she of course asked if he was coming and wasnt looking forward to it. we told her where he was and she walked back, knocked on the door, went in and about 3 minutes later he came running out buck naked. ted had invited her to hop in the tub with him, she accepted. her version of events is that it didnt work out because hers is bigger and it probably is because we saw ted's
now for the reason behind this story, I wanted to give you a response that was more than just saying 'k'. ted and dianne made up that night over a few drinks, he still hit on her a lot and she still turned him down. no one but ted knows if he was serious of if it was just his way of telling her she was attractive. now for the moral of it. trans people have more support than they think and some comes from very unexpected places
thanks for your post, it wasnt a waste of time. sophie would have probably explained it but we like to spend our days arguing like a married couple
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Sophistic Radiance said: I feel like the sane feminist perspective to have is that men and women are different but that these differences can't be boiled down to limitations. For anything a man can do there is a woman out there who can do it as well or better, and vice versa. We don't have to say that men and women are exactly the same to support the idea that they should have equal chances at any given field of study and work. The TERFs get hung up on thinking that equality of opportunity requires uniformity.
It seems like another consequence of assuming uniformity is that, in order to demonstrate that the system is biased, one can just point to inequality of outcome and call it a day, rather than having to deal with a bunch of pesky nuance. IMO even in a truly unbiased system we shouldn't necessarily expect a "perfect" 50/50 split of the sexes in every profession.
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Sophistic Radiance said: We don't have to say that men and women are exactly the same to support the idea that they should have equal chances at any given field of study and work.
there's a lot of false information regarding this equal opportunity/equal pay crap, women dont make less for the same job in the same company, in different companies the rates may be different but there's no company out there offering less money to women based on their sex when they're doing the same job. it's illegal and it has been since 1962. women tend to take up occupations that have a lower pay rate and the opportunities out there are also open to both sexes in almost all cases, the military being the one area that still limits women. I worked with women in construction and I currently work with female engineers, 4 of them are black women and 2 of those are higher paid than several of the men who have more experience in the same field
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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I do disagree with the thread title though. That march/rally was for all women trans or not.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Cosmic_Flame] 2
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This is like saying that the standing rock protests are transphobic because they aren't about trans issues
Your line of reasoning makes no sense at all.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: xzylocybin]
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No, that's not an appropriate comparison. The standing rock protests aren't about sex or gender at all. But yesterday was a women's march whose aesthetic revolved around a body part that some women do not have, thereby excluding them from the narrative shared by the cis women in attendance. This is called cisnormativity, the assumption that everybody is cissexual. Cisnormativity is at the heart of almost all systemic transphobia. At its worst it is the functional basis for our torture and erasure by the state.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
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maybe to you but not to everyone
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Dark_Star]
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can you find me one single instance where I said "obama is not my president", obama was elected just like every other president, I didnt agree with his policies or his practice of being a clinton but that didnt make him any less a president
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are you saying that transwomen arent women?
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now that you've said it, this needs to be addressed. call sharpton
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I bitched about his policies, I didnt claim him to be an illegitimate president
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You should've just gotten used to his policies. He was our president.
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so I'm supposed jump in line, lock and step with progressive that push bad policy?
show me how it's done, hop on trump's dick and bounce while chanting "choke me daddy"
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maybe to you but not to everyone
tru but I still stand by my comment
plenty of women didnt participate or support it but it was inclusive to all women, it covered all of us.
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lol... did it include the women in the middle east?
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That's what you're expecting us to do. and Trump didn't even win the popular vote. Had it been the other way around, Trump winning the popular vote & losing the electoral vote you & your ill would be complaining about a stolen election as well. Hell, before the results were in the Trump fanboys here were talking about a rigged election. Course, you got your way so you're gonna talk this "accept him as your president" bullshit.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Dark_Star]
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NO, you are trippin, or trollin, but you are definitely not correct. There is no systemic torture and erasure of trans people by the state. And there is no conspiratorial narrative trying to marginalize you. Most people don't even give trans people a second thought. You exsist, many people think it is weird, that is the extent of it for most people
I feel like trans people who call attention to the fact that they are trans are just confused and want attention. With real people who have transitioned you would never know and they don't talk about it, I am good friends with three of them.
My good trans friend (f-m) went to the march and had a blast and there were many trans people there, you are just trippin.
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The March was organized by George Soros in an attempt to create anger, confusion, and ultimately a coup favoring Hillary anyways, it isn't even about women
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Sophistic Radiance said: I feel like the sane feminist perspective to have is that men and women are different but that these differences can't be boiled down to limitations. For anything a man can do there is a woman out there who can do it as well or better, and vice versa. We don't have to say that men and women are exactly the same to support the idea that they should have equal chances at any given field of study and work. The TERFs get hung up on thinking that equality of opportunity requires uniformity.
It seems like another consequence of assuming uniformity is that, in order to demonstrate that the system is biased, one can just point to inequality of outcome and call it a day, rather than having to deal with a bunch of pesky nuance. IMO even in a truly unbiased system we shouldn't necessarily expect a "perfect" 50/50 split of the sexes in every profession.
This is true, but gender bias does exist in certain fields, especially STEM. It's confirmed by studies that found that grants are more likely to be given to requests with male names on them, even if they are otherwise identical. So, feminism is not "finished", there are definitely barriers to equal participation which still exist and which are not limited to women who have a pussy.
Mainstream feminism is famous for throwing women from minorities under the bus. The suffragette movement had as a core thesis the idea that white women deserved the vote more than blacks. We have plenty of white, cis, straight, upper-class feminists who think that trans women, women of color, queer women, and women who are sex workers don't have a place at the table. That's why I would argue that the cisnormativity of yesterday's march has deeper implications than you'd assume from the diversity at the scene.
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Just type trans women at womens march into google, it is all in your head
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You are mad at women for having vaginas........ no offense but that is literally the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Again, no offense
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Cosmic_Flame said: pris it aint that simple 
sophi just be like me and use your fear as fuel to grow your power aka dont be a kylo ren, be a maul instead
then we can rule this galaxy together muahaha

It makes a good motivation to work out actually. I'm in the best shape of my life right now, also discovering crazy psionic powers and telekinesis that I never knew I had 

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This guy knows what's up.
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I dunno I'm fairly certain actual women have a monopoly on vaginas. Just sayin.
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I don't know who that is. Nor do I care.
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Vagina. The word alone makes some men uncomfortable. Vagina.
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Whatever that means.
Ah your British no wonder you say nonsense words.
OK carry on.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Dark_Star]
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Dark_Star said: That's what you're expecting us to do. and Trump didn't even win the popular vote. Had it been the other way around, Trump winning the popular vote & losing the electoral vote you & your ill would be complaining about a stolen election as well. Hell, before the results were in the Trump fanboys here were talking about a rigged election. Course, you got your way so you're gonna talk this "accept him as your president" bullshit. 
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So what is it? Are transwomen women? If so, stop yelling about it and help support women's rights. It is that easy to me. This is a women's march for women. All women. Every unique woman has something they want to fight for. That is how I see it and how I believe Cosmic to see it. Also look up Janet Mock as a trans activist speaker.
Feminism is not synonymous with women's equality. Tons of women have been abandoning that title all over the country and perhaps the world because of issues that Feminists are known for. The group has been turning quite hateful to the male and trans population but every person that had walked in that march was not a feminist. They were for women's equality, in health, in wages, environmental issues, etc. They also touched on subjects for LGTB rights and economic and global problems.
This was one march that was a start. Imagine what sort of support and activism can be done in the coming ones. It isn't over so stop acting like it is and pouting about what wasn't done this time. One time won't clear the air for everything at once. It will take time, perhaps years, to get where society wishes to be. To get where morally things are alright for everyone.
So in the mean time, perhaps it would be polite and supportive to help your fellow people in their fight so they could help you in yours and people can come together to help each other in hope, change and peace. Just an insane thought, I know.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo]
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Why is it on me to fight other people's battles, in ADDITION to my own, before I can be said to have earned their support in mine? Like, if I just pretend that the people who are rudely demanding my help aren't perpetuating a lie that kills my people, they'll magically come to the aid of my community next time one of us is being killed by that same lie?
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This thread title is false and total click bait. You should change it, or delete the whole thing altogether.
I don't know why you're trying to stir up shit where it doesn't need to be stirred up...but thats what it seems like to me
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I found the transgender march to be very x-chromophobic.
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https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/
This "women's march" has very little to do with women, what a bunch of bullshit.
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Click bait.
Women make up 50% of the pop. They have the monopoly on vaginas. So compared to someone with a dick that wants to try on a vag I hardly think that's transphobic. That is the smallest minority probably 2-3% compared to actual female born.
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Fuck yeah Janet Mock, had no idea she spoke at the protest. She is really a great public face and voice for trans women in the US.
It's hard to have good advocates like that because they are necessarily outing themselves in the public eye. Definitely takes some serious courage.
The next 4 years will see a mass roll back of social progress overall. Healthcare, drug policy reform, climate protection, international relations, women's rights, race relations, free trade, could all be heading straight for oblivion.
At least everyone's portfolio should do well until expectations readjust and the bottom falls out of the domestic market.
I'm not incredibly worried as I've already got my SRS done, birth certificate and vital records corrected. Many are not so lucky though.
All we can really do is advocate, protest, and be litigious as possible. Just be safe, move to a blue state city and stay out of risky situations.
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I'm sorry what??!! 
You mean help fight for rights of something you so desperately want to become physically and consider yourself to be? Which rights will ultimately affect you after you get that birth certificate saying you are a woman?!!! Plus rights and support for trans which were already part of the march as well?! Your people?!! IN THE WOMEN'S MARCH?!!!
So you actually DON'T consider yourself female? So if I am for the woman's march, or for women's rights in general, I must obviously be against the trans community in your logic? I sure appreciate that remark towards myself. Really, I do. Especially since it is so false. As you already know, I am all for LGBT rights.

You are too much dude. Too much. So selfish. So condescending. Good thing you aren't a spokesperson.
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Metathetical:
Hecks yea dude. It was an awesome speech. I listened to a few other ones, the ones without being all about Trump ( ), and liked it the most actually. It was so inclusive and so heartwarming. All of these things are together to me. They are all rights for our individuality and they should all be protected no matter what we are fighting for.
I am all for this Women's March because I feel like it will morph into so much down the line. There was such an amazing turnout and I wish I could have gone. Maybe next ones.
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I haven't had SRS and I'm not sure I ever will. I feel like I'd have to havey ducks lined up in a way that isn't likely in the short term. I'm just glad that I'm on my hormones and living me. I don't think anybody can take that away from me at this point.
I've been so preoccupied with the politics of my immediate surroundings that the politics at the national level just look like this ridiculous circus to me. It feels distant from what's going on in my life. I don't think Trump is going to change how we do business in California and we've got some real fucking vampires running the show out here.
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Playing the victims become a bit of a hobby for her, so I imagine she more or less feels victimized at all times and sees it in all things.
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I've been so preoccupied with the politics of my immediate surroundings that the politics at the national level just look like this ridiculous circus to me. It feels distant from what's going on in my life. I don't think Trump is going to change how we do business in California and we've got some real fucking vampires running the show out here.
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I'm sorry what??!! 
You mean help fight for rights of something you so desperately want to become physically and consider yourself to be? Which rights will ultimately affect you after you get that birth certificate saying you are a woman?!!! Plus rights and support for trans which were already part of the march as well?! Your people?!! IN THE WOMEN'S MARCH?!!!
So you actually DON'T consider yourself female? So if I am for the woman's march, or for women's rights in general, I must obviously be against the trans community in your logic? I sure appreciate that remark towards myself. Really, I do. Especially since it is so false. As you already know, I am all for LGBT rights.

You are too much dude. Too much. So selfish. So condescending. Good thing you aren't a spokesperson.
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pachoo said: They were for women's equality, in health, in wages...
if a man and woman apply for the same job at the same company, would they be paid a different wage based on their sex? if the jobs pays $20/hr, does the woman not make $20 just as the man would make $20 or are they knocking 15% off the woman's pay just because she's a woman
now I understand that many women in hollywood, a very privileged species or people to start with, holding a similar popularity to a male star will often take a lower pay when they sign the contracts and have even heard in responses from actresses that they were being paid tens of millions to do a single film so it didnt bother them, are these the people that need people trying to narrow the wage gap, people that didnt negotiate pay in their contract? are feminists fighting for the women in the 1% to be paid the same as men. maybe those women should go on strike because they are union workers and those unions should be looking out for them. maybe it's the unions that are the problem in this instance
as an example, let's look at scarlet johansen, she makes around $35 million per year, she's clearly not struggling to pay the bills but she took a lower pay in the avengers than a one of the male stars, coincidentally, the other males stars earned less than she did since she was the second highest paid actor in the film, when she speaks out on this gender/wage gap, is she speaking on behalf of those male stars that didnt earn $25 million for their parts, are they getting the same royalties off product licensing, are they drawing the same residuals?
how about that health care stuff, biologically, men and women are different so their needs will be different, men will also be less likely to go to a hospital, they dont give birth but often are the ones footing the bill if it's not picked up by insurance. women have all the say in whether they carry a child or have an abortion unless they're generous enough include the man in the decision but when the child is carried to term and the man did not want that child, he's still responsible for his share of the financial end, that amounts to as much as 25% of his pay... for a child he expressly stated he did not want. of course if the shoe is on the other foot and he does want that child while the mother does not wish to carry to term, he also has no voice in that because it's the woman's body and the woman's choice, he cannot force her to carry the child and give it to him any more than he can force her to have an abortion
so really, what I guess I'm asking is what sort of equality are they seeking on these two particular subjects? where does this wage gap exist? I mean in 1962 Kennedy signed the equal wage act so outside of contractual labor where pay rates are normally negotiated, it is illegal to pay a man a higher rate than women for the same job in the same company having the same qualifications. the other part I wonder about, what isnt equal in healthcare when based on reproductive rights the men have absolutely none
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doesnt Sophistic Radiance have the same right to give birth that you do?
BTW. illegal immigration, racial issues, police violence... these arent women's rights issues
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You mean illegal immigrants cant be women, either?
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they are illegals. they are statistics, not people
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No, I didn't. Womens Rights battles are your battles. You are a woman so fight for womens rights. You are also trans so fight for trans. Own them both. This isn't about feminism. This is about womens equality. Every woman. Speak up for your own story. We all do not share the same one.
You are transistioning to female yes? You believe you are a female yes? You are the one claiming 'my people, my people.' I am trying to tell you the Womens March is for and are your people. The Trans community is in the march. Womans March is for women yes? These things being fought for will partly affect you yes? The boat is going in the same direction you want to get to, why not go along for the ride yes? Bigger support in bigger numbers yes?
You didn't criticize a piece of headwear in response to me. You criticized every woman in that March for not supporting trans. Which was refuted by me in the other post. I don't consider you outside of womanhood but bc I am for this march you consider me against trans.
Get out of your own butt. Seriously. Your threads are increasingly disappointing as it all seems to be stemmed from your selfishness of perceived exclusion.
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pachoo said: You are too much dude. Too much. So selfish. So condescending. Good thing you aren't a spokesperson.
Women's March Unity Principles
doesnt Sophistic Radiance have the same right to give birth that you do?
BTW. illegal immigration, racial issues, police violence... these arent women's rights issues
They girlpower all over the street for a while, enough to take some totally rad selfies anyways, then they just fuck off without cleaning up their mess and never do anything else for womens rights. Except maybe some posts here and there so these half baked intellectuals can drone on to everyone about how sophisticated and impassioned they are about having a vagina for months later.

Armchair intellectuals.
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I did not criticize every woman in the march. I criticized the ones who equated vagina with womanhood. Which it turns out was a major proportion of the participants.
You are using really aggressive language with me, and interrogating me, when I have been perfectly civil in stating my complaints. It is a fact that cisnormativity routinely leads trans people to early graves. This is not intended as an attack on anybody. It is a fact that you have to deal with if you want to support trans people for real.
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pachoo said: You are too much dude. Too much. So selfish. So condescending. Good thing you aren't a spokesperson.
Women's March Unity Principles
doesnt Sophistic Radiance have the same right to give birth that you do?
BTW. illegal immigration, racial issues, police violence... these arent women's rights issues
They girlpower all over the street for a while, enough to take some totally rad selfies anyways, then they just fuck off without cleaning up their mess and never do anything else for womens rights. Except maybe some posts here and there so these half baked intellectuals can drone on to everyone about how sophisticated and impassioned they are about having a vagina for months later.

Armchair intellectuals.
it honestly seem the goail is to draw attention to themselves for having a vagina and nothing more, the rights they're fighting for are rights they have, it all seems to be contrived, feminist, hate based horse shit
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Its almost as if powerful foreign bodies are manufacturing these "grassroots" movements and using them as a kafkaesque political weapon against the stability of a society or something.
http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billionaire-george-soros-has-ties-to-more-than-50-partners-of-the-womens-march-on-washington/
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Also it has a lot to do with planned parenthood(NOT a part of Transexual women's lives),the "grab them by the pussy" comment which only applies to post Op and even then that's a stretch. Also it's stupendous to me how you can take a protest about different issue and make it about you and how transphobic people are again. Plus I bet you didn't even know about the march until it was too late to join.
Trans should be included in the "group of women" but if they aren't for one event so what? Why let that take room rent free in your mind?
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My post was not about hats or feminazis. My post was proof of trans support, which you responsed with calling bullshit. In which I was very confused until I felt defensive. And I apologize bc now this seems like a huge miscommunication.
Seriously Tripping:
The Womens March seems like a structure to make sure rights are still in place that Trump might take away. Alot of it can be overzealous fear. But I do know he is cutting a ton and he is not too fond of Planned Parenthood so it could become a very likely target, which is very essential to those in financial need, like me. Planned Parenthood offers hormone treatments and support to transgenders.
I do not feel that I have to check all of the boxes for the Womens March to help fight for something I believe in. But there is alot I am for. But I am aware that Trump might not, or might not be able to, consider putting things on the federal level that could be done on the state level. I believe his biggest concern is Americas debt and cutting spending.
They really should've cleaned up their goddamn posters especially talking about environmental issues. Goddamn shitbirds.
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http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billionaire-george-soros-has-ties-to-more-than-50-partners-of-the-womens-march-on-washington/
one of the organizers of this march is all about instituting sharia law in the US
but clearly this march isnt about equality for women, the celebrities were all about anti trump vitriol with one talking about her desire to blow up the whitehouse but not only that, these evil bitches bullied little girls because apparently equality only applies to those that share your views
https://www.facebook.com/trumpians/videos/1779733535685324/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
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pachoo said: They were for women's equality, in health, in wages...
if a man and woman apply for the same job at the same company, would they be paid a different wage based on their sex? if the jobs pays $20/hr, does the woman not make $20 just as the man would make $20 or are they knocking 15% off the woman's pay just because she's a woman
now I understand that many women in hollywood, a very privileged species or people to start with, holding a similar popularity to a male star will often take a lower pay when they sign the contracts and have even heard in responses from actresses that they were being paid tens of millions to do a single film so it didnt bother them, are these the people that need people trying to narrow the wage gap, people that didnt negotiate pay in their contract? are feminists fighting for the women in the 1% to be paid the same as men. maybe those women should go on strike because they are union workers and those unions should be looking out for them. maybe it's the unions that are the problem in this instance
as an example, let's look at scarlet johansen, she makes around $35 million per year, she's clearly not struggling to pay the bills but she took a lower pay in the avengers than a one of the male stars, coincidentally, the other males stars earned less than she did since she was the second highest paid actor in the film, when she speaks out on this gender/wage gap, is she speaking on behalf of those male stars that didnt earn $25 million for their parts, are they getting the same royalties off product licensing, are they drawing the same residuals?
how about that health care stuff, biologically, men and women are different so their needs will be different, men will also be less likely to go to a hospital, they dont give birth but often are the ones footing the bill if it's not picked up by insurance. women have all the say in whether they carry a child or have an abortion unless they're generous enough include the man in the decision but when the child is carried to term and the man did not want that child, he's still responsible for his share of the financial end, that amounts to as much as 25% of his pay... for a child he expressly stated he did not want. of course if the shoe is on the other foot and he does want that child while the mother does not wish to carry to term, he also has no voice in that because it's the woman's body and the woman's choice, he cannot force her to carry the child and give it to him any more than he can force her to have an abortion
so really, what I guess I'm asking is what sort of equality are they seeking on these two particular subjects? where does this wage gap exist? I mean in 1962 Kennedy signed the equal wage act so outside of contractual labor where pay rates are normally negotiated, it is illegal to pay a man a higher rate than women for the same job in the same company having the same qualifications. the other part I wonder about, what isnt equal in healthcare when based on reproductive rights the men have absolutely none
it's funny how things like this are never refuted
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo]
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Whats sickening is the fact that you support the murder of near term babies. They released the files on the activities at these abortion clinics and theyre fairly horrifying to read through.
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Warning, this is sick as fuck...Talking about late term abortions here, including up to 35+ weeks. 90%+ of all babies born after 27 weeks survive. It says that in a typical week the guy would do 40 mid/late-term abortions, and 3 or 4 of them would be born fully alive. He would then kill them. That's 3-4 murders...in a typical week...in a decades-long career... From the report:According to several of his employees, including [Employee #1] and [Employee #2], who were medical assistants, and [Employee #3], who assisted with administrative tasks, numerous patients of [Abortion Doctor #3] delivered infants alive prior to their demise, which the doctor himself brought about. Specifically, [Employee #1], who assisted the doctor in the operating room at the Aaron Women’s Clinic (Aaron), estimated that “during a typical week with a full patient load, . . . [Abortion Doctor #3] would perform abortions at 20 or more weeks gestation, i.e., later in the second trimester or in the third trimester, on approximately 40 patients.”
Is that something you really want to support or associate with?
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I just said I don't support everything. I don't support abortions and I sure as hell don't support Sharia law. I support cheaper medical help for contraception and preventative care. I wish there was a better place to help with these things being poor but there is that or the free clinic. In Virginia I had no health insurance and going to the doctor cost an arm and a leg to me. My doctor refused to take out my Mirena as it was causing me tons of distress. The only place I could afford to go was Planned Parenthood. I also got my contraceptives and papsmears there at a reasonable price to my income.
My bad it was the only thing I could afford. They helped me in need and they have helped many others in need. I have not and will never have an abortion. Want to hear about going there after my miscarriage too?
I will get to your response when I am on my computer Pris as it is hard to quote from my phone. Quit being impatient.
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Being trans definitely is like a healthy dose of paranoia, segregation, fear, special treatment that feels fake and false friends.
That list of bullshit is TOTALLY worth it because I don't have to pretend to be a man. The list of bullshit I had when I was pretending to be male was WAY WAY longer.
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pachoo said: My post was not about hats or feminazis. My post was proof of trans support, which you responsed with calling bullshit. In which I was very confused until I felt defensive. And I apologize bc now this seems like a huge miscommunication.
You called me a wannabe woman because I disagreed with you. That's the kind of shit stzacrack says, you know? I accept your apology, though.
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Trans should be included in the "group of women" but if they aren't for one event so what? Why let that take room rent free in your mind?
Planned Parenthood is a huge part of transsexual women's lives, they provide hormone therapy. We basically take birth control so obviously our aims are one and the same with the women's march: we want our damn birth control. I obviously support the aims of the women's march 100%, which is why it's so disappointing that they chose such an exclusionary aesthetic.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1]
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pachoo said: You are too much dude. Too much. So selfish. So condescending. Good thing you aren't a spokesperson.
Women's March Unity Principles
doesnt Sophistic Radiance have the same right to give birth that you do?
BTW. illegal immigration, racial issues, police violence... these arent women's rights issues
That's why this movement is nothing more than a fraud, it has very little to do with women.
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the actual march wasnt about women's rights, it was an anti-trump rally
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1]
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pachoo said: They were for women's equality, in health, in wages...
if a man and woman apply for the same job at the same company, would they be paid a different wage based on their sex? if the jobs pays $20/hr, does the woman not make $20 just as the man would make $20 or are they knocking 15% off the woman's pay just because she's a woman
now I understand that many women in hollywood, a very privileged species or people to start with, holding a similar popularity to a male star will often take a lower pay when they sign the contracts and have even heard in responses from actresses that they were being paid tens of millions to do a single film so it didnt bother them, are these the people that need people trying to narrow the wage gap, people that didnt negotiate pay in their contract? are feminists fighting for the women in the 1% to be paid the same as men. maybe those women should go on strike because they are union workers and those unions should be looking out for them. maybe it's the unions that are the problem in this instance
as an example, let's look at scarlet johansen, she makes around $35 million per year, she's clearly not struggling to pay the bills but she took a lower pay in the avengers than a one of the male stars, coincidentally, the other males stars earned less than she did since she was the second highest paid actor in the film, when she speaks out on this gender/wage gap, is she speaking on behalf of those male stars that didnt earn $25 million for their parts, are they getting the same royalties off product licensing, are they drawing the same residuals?
how about that health care stuff, biologically, men and women are different so their needs will be different, men will also be less likely to go to a hospital, they dont give birth but often are the ones footing the bill if it's not picked up by insurance. women have all the say in whether they carry a child or have an abortion unless they're generous enough include the man in the decision but when the child is carried to term and the man did not want that child, he's still responsible for his share of the financial end, that amounts to as much as 25% of his pay... for a child he expressly stated he did not want. of course if the shoe is on the other foot and he does want that child while the mother does not wish to carry to term, he also has no voice in that because it's the woman's body and the woman's choice, he cannot force her to carry the child and give it to him any more than he can force her to have an abortion
so really, what I guess I'm asking is what sort of equality are they seeking on these two particular subjects? where does this wage gap exist? I mean in 1962 Kennedy signed the equal wage act so outside of contractual labor where pay rates are normally negotiated, it is illegal to pay a man a higher rate than women for the same job in the same company having the same qualifications. the other part I wonder about, what isnt equal in healthcare when based on reproductive rights the men have absolutely none
it's funny how things like this are never refuted
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1]
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You know... I actually got more than half way through and decided... nah. I'm good. I don't feel like it now.
This make-shift pub debate is just too tedious now. You want me to refute something based upon your assumptions of my opinions.
Ya'll just talk about the anti-Trump March, you'll be good. And keep calling me transphobic, a monster and stupid however much makes you feel better.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1]
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[trolled]I really like the idea of all this perceived hate that trannies talk about actually being humanity cleaning up after itself. Without your echo chambers and reinforced denial, you would do exactly what all the "bigots" want you to do.
I can only speak for others who vehemently share my distaste of this specific human sickness in a broad way, but here goes: We don't see you as a person. You have no identity. You are a small, insignificant spec with a 7 digit numeration in the color spectrum of human failing. As above, so below. Societies hate of you mimics the parallel movement of you hating yourself. You're part of a fetish-cult of exhibitionist self-hate.
Check out some photos of the Milky Way sometime. That tiny dust floating inside of it is us, it's me, it's you. To think that that dust is wasting an incarnation in this disgusting mediocrity is pitiful. God isn't dead, he left for greener pastures long ago. Enjoy fumbling with your existential shortcomings, I'm off to work on mine! [/trolled]
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pachoo said: You know... I actually got more than half way through and decided... nah. I'm good. I don't feel like it now.
This make-shift pub debate is just too tedious now. You want me to refute something based upon your assumptions of my opinions.
Ya'll just talk about the anti-Trump March, you'll be good. And keep calling me transphobic, a monster and stupid however much makes you feel better. 
LOLOL, I can picture you saying that like the girl in your sig, classic!
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Govam said: [trolled]I really like the idea of all this perceived hate that trannies talk about actually being humanity cleaning up after itself. Without your echo chambers and reinforced denial, you would do exactly what all the "bigots" want you to do.
I can only speak for others who vehemently share my distaste of this specific human sickness in a broad way, but here goes: We don't see you as a person. You have no identity. You are a small, insignificant spec with a 7 digit numeration in the color spectrum of human failing. As above, so below. Societies hate of you mimics the parallel movement of you hating yourself. You're part of a fetish-cult of exhibitionist self-hate.
Check out some photos of the Milky Way sometime. That tiny dust floating inside of it is us, it's me, it's you. To think that that dust is wasting an incarnation in this disgusting mediocrity is pitiful. God isn't dead, he left for greener pastures long ago. Enjoy fumbling with your existential shortcomings, I'm off to work on mine! [/trolled]
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo]
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pachoo said: You know... I actually got more than half way through and decided... nah. I'm good. I don't feel like it now.
is it because I present sensible, factual information? I mean you are welcome to read up on things to find out if what I am saying is true. I;m more than happy to assist you as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Pay_Act_of_1963
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Ya'll just talk about the anti-Trump March, you'll be good. And keep calling me transphobic, a monster and stupid however much makes you feel better. 
I never said any of these things about you, I did want to discuss what the pretense behind this march was but also about these additional rights women claim men already have but they dont.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Playing the victims become a bit of a hobby for her, so I imagine she more or less feels victimized at all times and sees it in all things.
Pretty rich coming from a professional victim like yourself
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Actually I would probably agree halfway of what you would agree with which would probably be surprising to you. I am pretty conservative in my views. I have also done plenty of research on these topics for my own viewpoints. Some things I was surprised to hear. I take things for facts. I get crazy emotional about my values, especially when I feel defensive, but I try to stick only to fact based assumptions. It is like hearing gossip about someone... people keep saying so many negative things about people but I never prematurely discredit them until I react with them and see for myself. Very rarely would I actually find the gossip is truth.
I am happy to discuss my opinion on the matter, as long as you don't assume I am for feminazi viewpoints. I am egalitarian, as long as no one is afflicting violence, discrimination, and abuse towards others. These things are mostly on individual fronts and I do not stereotype.
But right now, this thread has rustled my jimmies too much and I have had a pretty awful day without it.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo] 2
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Beyond the abortion stuff women have more legal rights than men in America in modern times. We definitely need to allow women to abort babies if they want (it's also good for the environment), and then after that we can drop "women's rights" completely and just focus on general human rights and equality across the map. Women and men should have equal rights and nobody should have an upper hand in society based on their sex.
As far as the transsexual fad these days, I definitely do not respect men as women and vice versa and feel it's pretty sexist, but this is America and if attention-starved and/or mentally ill people want to pretend to be something they're not then they should be free to as long as they aren't negatively affecting others in a significant way. If I wanted to pretend that I was born as an Asian person trapped inside of a European person's body then I feel like I should have the right to as long as I wasn't hurting anyone or dragging society down in some kind of way, even though it does seem pretty racist.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: John Nada]
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John Nada said: Beyond the abortion stuff women have more legal rights than men in America in modern times. We definitely need to allow women to abort babies if they want (it's also good for the environment), and then after that we can drop "women's rights" completely and just focus on general human rights and equality across the map. Women and men should have equal rights and nobody should have an upper hand in society based on their sex.
As far as the transsexual fad these days, I definitely do not respect men as women and vice versa and feel it's pretty sexist, but this is America and if attention-starved and/or mentally ill people want to pretend to be something they're not then they should be free to as long as they aren't negatively affecting others in a significant way. If I wanted to pretend that I was born as an Asian person trapped inside of a European person's body then I feel like I should have the right to as long as I wasn't hurting anyone or dragging society down in some kind of way, even though it does seem pretty racist.
This is why trans people are still stuck in the 70's. Your opinion is all coming from emotion.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Apollyphelion] 4
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Not really, and I think that applies more to your reaction. I'm not emotionally invested in this at all. I even said trannies should have the right to do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: John Nada]
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the fact you call them trannies means we got a ways to go.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Apollyphelion] 6
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Why? Do you ever say the term "white people"? If so, then we have a ways to go. I demand that all white people be referred to as "The apes that evolved to have fair skin in Europe through natural selection" every single time you mention anyone of European heritage. And I'm not even fully white, so I will require some additional yet-to-be-determined pre-approved modifiers to that phrase, or else you're a bigot.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: John Nada]
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John Nada said: Why? Do you ever say the term "white people"? If so, then we have a ways to go. I demand that all white people be referred to as "The apes that evolved to have fair skin in Europe through natural selection" every single time you mention anyone of European heritage. And I'm not even fully white, so I will require some additional yet-to-be-determined pre-approved modifiers to that phrase, or else you're a bigot.
Trannie was specifically crafted to be an insult, not a neutral descriptor. White people wasn't specifically created to demean and marginalized. They are functionally different words. By your logic, nigger is as acceptable as black person, because they are both descriptors.
You intentionally want to harm, I don't, and thats the diff between you and me.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Apollyphelion] 4
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I disagree, I think it's just a shorter/lazier way to say "transexual", but regardless I was not trying to insult transexual people. I don't have to use that phrase if it bothers other people though. It's not a big deal either way. You just used the phrase "white people" though, and did not follow the rules that I set for you. You are not following the speech laws I have given you, so you should not have any expectations for me to reciprocate. If I wanted to be a dick right now I would've just called you "tranny", but my intention is not to be offensive or hostile.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: John Nada]
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John Nada said: I disagree, I think it's just a shorter/lazier way to say "transexual", but regardless I was not trying to insult transexual people. I don't have to use that phrase if it bothers other people though. It's not a big deal either way. You just used the phrase "white people" though, and did not follow the rules that I set for you. You are not following the speech laws I have given you, so you should not have any expectations for me to reciprocate. If I wanted to be a dick right now I would've just called you "tranny", but my intention is not to be offensive or hostile.
First explain to me how the phrase white people is used specifically to dehumanize and demean. White people and tranny are not equal labels. Like I said, based off your logic, nigger isn't offensive if I don't believe it is.
You COULD be a good example and never use the word tranny, just like tons of people never use the word nigger. I don't believe you will and you're lazy at best.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Apollyphelion] 6
#24035248 - 01/24/17 06:44 AM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Because I said I find it offensive if you use that phrase and not "The apes that evolved to have fair skin in Europe through natural selection". You, however, simply don't care if I am offended, and are literally saying I shouldn't find it offensive because you don't. I already explained how I didn't find the term "tranny" offensive or mean in it any derogatory way, but that I didn't have to say it if it offended you. You will not reciprocate though, and think that only your own particular beliefs and values have any merit or deserve any consideration.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: John Nada]
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You think the meaning you give a word over shadows the collective and most widely used definition. Words don't mean whatever I want them to.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Apollyphelion] 5
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"Tranny" is not a derogatory term to most people, and definitely not even remotely close to the offensiveness of "nigger" like you suggest. If you won't stop saying a word or phrase that I find offensive because you feel that it's not offensive to most people and simply do not care about me or my feelings as an individual, then you can't expect me to not say "tranny" (even though I already agreed not to since you find it offensive). You're being very unreasonable here and only care about your own individual self. You want everyone to do things your way, only your way, but refuse to work with or even consider other humans or their points of view. You have a massive ego and sense of entitlement and you should probably see a psychologist as soon as possible.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Apollyphelion]
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Apollyphelion said: Trannie was specifically crafted to be an insult
no it wasnt, it was a shortened version of transvestite but because in the latter part of the 20th century people were not willing to distinguish between one guy that liked to dress like a woman and one that wanted to become a woman, the term was used interchangeably by most because of the 'trans' prefix. this is no different than asantes claims that the term faggot came about because of the burning of homosexuals as if they were fuel for a fire. a faggot is actually the measurement for the bundle of sticks, not the bundle and it's contents
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John Nada said: "Tranny" is not a derogatory term to most people, and definitely not even remotely close to the offensiveness of "nigger" like you suggest.
transgenders and blacks both use these terms they claim to be offensive so until both groups stop using them completely I cannot take them seriously when they claim it as offensive
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This thread is dumb. Stop looking for enemies where there are none.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Apollyphelion]
#24035707 - 01/24/17 10:44 AM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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John Nada said: Why? Do you ever say the term "white people"? If so, then we have a ways to go. I demand that all white people be referred to as "The apes that evolved to have fair skin in Europe through natural selection" every single time you mention anyone of European heritage. And I'm not even fully white, so I will require some additional yet-to-be-determined pre-approved modifiers to that phrase, or else you're a bigot.
Trannie was specifically crafted to be an insult, not a neutral descriptor. White people wasn't specifically created to demean and marginalized. They are functionally different words. By your logic, nigger is as acceptable as black person, because they are both descriptors.
You intentionally want to harm, I don't, and thats the diff between you and me.
While respecting that our views on this matter differ somewhat, would just like to chime in a bit here.
While trannie is frequently employed with an implied derisiveness, also presume that it is frequently employed due to lack of awareness more than intention to harm.
Similar to how it is my presumption that the focus on pussy imagery in the women's march was more in response to Trump's recording during the election cycle, rather than intentional efforts on that part of participants to alienate a portion of women.
However, to me, the issue around the term trannie is not with regards to the intention of the person using it to be derisive or not, but rather that it potentially exposes the individual to violence, even if it may not be the intention of the person who used it.
There are a number, perhaps the majority, of people that are apathetic or tacitly opposed to the concept of transitioning, as well as a number that are vocally opposed, personally accept that; no one on this planet is accepted by everyone.
There are also a number of people that are violently opposed to the concept of transitioning, and they are where the concern arises, because use of the term trannie is like painting a target on an individual. It may not be the intention of the person using the term to be derisive, but the term itself may unintentionally facilitate violence towards its target.
Since there is also little to be done about that, have taken up study of self-defense. Already aware that when it comes down to the wire there are things that end up being faced alone.
Hold a similar view toward pronouns, if someone is referring to me as he or she it does not concern me, quite so much as my concern that they are talking about me, rather than to me as a person.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: SARAtonin]
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SARAtonin said: This thread is dumb. Stop looking for enemies where there are none.
I agree, Trump and straight white males aren't the enemy of Western culture, just think where the marchers would be without us.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: qman]
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are the J20 Retards still going at it?
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Kush_Zombie said: The second sentence in this post makes me cringe so hard. Vaginas do belong to women and trannies are insecure freaks. Get over it.
I don't think they're freaks, but otherwise you're spot on, I totally agree. The march is largely about abortion rights, and by extension *actual* vaginas, not pretend vaginas. When trans people have actual functioning vaginas then yeah, by all means say your vagina matters too, but while it's just a flesh pocket it's really not the same. Trans people should have the same rights as everyone else, but for one group of people to say they should be treated as equal does not somehow detract from another group, that's naive and ignorant thinking. Go after the people that are actually causing the issues, not your neighbor who is upset at the same god damned thing you are.
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Sophistic Radiance said: Transphobia is definitely a thing. Just because you and people you know haven't (I'm assuming) been affected by it, doesn't mean that it isn't a very real and very unfortunate social force that kills people on a regular basis.
are you sure they actually fear you or are they just assholes?
It's neither.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Tantrika]
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John Nada said: Why? Do you ever say the term "white people"? If so, then we have a ways to go. I demand that all white people be referred to as "The apes that evolved to have fair skin in Europe through natural selection" every single time you mention anyone of European heritage. And I'm not even fully white, so I will require some additional yet-to-be-determined pre-approved modifiers to that phrase, or else you're a bigot.
Trannie was specifically crafted to be an insult, not a neutral descriptor. White people wasn't specifically created to demean and marginalized. They are functionally different words. By your logic, nigger is as acceptable as black person, because they are both descriptors.
You intentionally want to harm, I don't, and thats the diff between you and me.
While respecting that our views on this matter differ somewhat, would just like to chime in a bit here.
While trannie is frequently employed with an implied derisiveness, also presume that it is frequently employed due to lack of awareness more than intention to harm.
Similar to how it is my presumption that the focus on pussy imagery in the women's march was more in response to Trump's recording during the election cycle, rather than intentional efforts on that part of participants to alienate a portion of women.
However, to me, the issue around the term trannie is not with regards to the intention of the person using it to be derisive or not, but rather that it potentially exposes the individual to violence, even if it may not be the intention of the person who used it.
There are a number, perhaps the majority, of people that are apathetic or tacitly opposed to the concept of transitioning, as well as a number that are vocally opposed, personally accept that; no one on this planet is accepted by everyone.
There are also a number of people that are violently opposed to the concept of transitioning, and they are where the concern arises, because use of the term trannie is like painting a target on an individual. It may not be the intention of the person using the term to be derisive, but the term itself may unintentionally facilitate violence towards its target.
Since there is also little to be done about that, have taken up study of self-defense. Already aware that when it comes down to the wire there are things that end up being faced alone.
Hold a similar view toward pronouns, if someone is referring to me as he or she it does not concern me, quite so much as my concern that they are talking about me, rather than to me as a person.
If they want to be offended then they can be offended, I'm going to use the term trannie until there is something more appropriate to call them. I'm not going to call a gay person homosexual, a straight person heterosexual, a black person an african american, or a white person a caucasion. Trannie is simply short for transexual, it's not like nigger where it was actually created to be an insult. The word trannie came to be for the same reason homo, hetero, etc did, because it's inconvenient to use longer words where short ones will do, especially if they literally mean the same thing, they're shortened versions of the politically correct words for fucks sake. Are you offended if I call you a hetero instead of a heterosexual?
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: krypto2000]
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Negro has meant black in Spanish since before Europeans knew black people existed, nigger is just a regional take on the word. The whole being offended by a word thing is just pathalogical entitlement.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said: Negro has meant black in Spanish since before Europeans knew black people existed, nigger is just a regional take on the word. The whole being offended by a word thing is just pathalogical entitlement.
When interpreting sociological matters you may have more success privileging history over etymology
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: djbluntmagic]
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Saying black in Spanish: negro Today, yesterday and tomorrow
If someone finds it offensive to be referred to as white or black, I have no sympathy for them Twisting someone's intent and demonizing them as evil racists for speaking their language , couldnt be more ironic. These terms entered the english language through obvious means without connotation.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: John Nada]
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pachoo said: Ya'll just talk about the anti-Trump March, you'll be good. And keep calling me transphobic, a monster and stupid however much makes you feel better. 
I don't believe I ever called you transphobic specifically, and I don't think you are transphobic, but you might be under-informed as to how trans people identify. That's all. I'm not any less of a woman because of what's between my legs. That's all. We agree on basically everything else.
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Most people aren't transsexual, so... Yeah.
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If they want to be offended then they can be offended, I'm going to use the term trannie until there is something more appropriate to call them. I'm not going to call a gay person homosexual, a straight person heterosexual, a black person an african american, or a white person a caucasion. Trannie is simply short for transexual, it's not like nigger where it was actually created to be an insult. The word trannie came to be for the same reason homo, hetero, etc did, because it's inconvenient to use longer words where short ones will do, especially if they literally mean the same thing, they're shortened versions of the politically correct words for fucks sake. Are you offended if I call you a hetero instead of a heterosexual?
Quite frankly not offended by any of the words you listed, have been called enough different things throughout my life to feel largely immunized to such.
However, if I am out in public with a trans woman who is passing for a woman, am going to consistently refer to her as her, and as a woman, rather than as him or a trannie, no matter how many years I may have considered her to be a man prior to transitioning, due to knowing full well the potential risk to her safety associated with doing otherwise.
Have first-hand experienced violence enacted upon myself and those close to me as result of people's opposition to how someone identifies.
And as much as people may claim it is racist/religious discrimination for me to do so, will fully mask a homosexual friend's sexual identity if talking to an Islamist, even without living in an Islamic country, due to not trusting the majority of followers of Islam to be accepting of something their religion opposes.
Am not of the opinion that words are fundamentally hurtful, but fully recognize that particular words can, even unintentionally, incite violence, if said by the wrong people, to the wrong people, or at the wrong time.
Do not mind people's use of words, but make efforts to be mindful of my own.
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Most people aren't transsexual, so... Yeah.
Yeah, so suck it up and stop being offended over words not intended to offend.
All you do is alienate people who would otherwise sympathize with you by crying wolf.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Repertoire89]
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If I hit somebody with my car unintentionally, does that mean they aren't injured by the impact? Just because I meant no harm? That's obviously an extreme example, but I only mean to illustrate that impact is not the same as intent, and that we are each responsible for the impact of our actions.
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You don't casually refer to a gay person as a faggot and you don't casually refer to a black person as a nigger though. You don't because you know the words are offensive and you know that they are more often used in a downcasted derogatory manner.
Trans is what I understand as the accepted short hand for transgender.
Intention means alot and generally we tend not to cast out these words, or swear words (for the most part), around strangers or people we don't know well because we know they may not be able to understand the intent.
I dunno because I'm not trans but I know that I could swallow someone casually calling me a dyke. If they called me a dyke or faggot after implying that my sexuality is a problem, like you do when you misgender trans people or try to say they are insane, then I'll have a problem with it. You've made it apparent you aren't okay with it and you have no respect for me as a person and are intentionally using derogatory terms.
I think that's why some people say these are "internal words" meant to be used within the group. Because some people are too stupid to use them appropriately. And some people are too stupid to understand when they're used appropriately.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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I used to, but now don't use the T-word at all. I wouldn't use it on myself or any of my friends. The word comes from "transvestite" and is used to describe gender-bending performance artists ie drag queens and kings. It's a violent word when it's used in reference to trans people because it implies that our identity is false.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Tantrika]
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Tantrika said: ... Hold a similar view toward pronouns, if someone is referring to me as he or she it does not concern me, quite so much as my concern that they are talking about me, rather than to me as a person.
If they want to be offended then they can be offended, I'm going to use the term trannie until there is something more appropriate to call them. I'm not going to call a gay person homosexual, a straight person heterosexual, a black person an african american, or a white person a caucasion. Trannie is simply short for transexual, it's not like nigger where it was actually created to be an insult. The word trannie came to be for the same reason homo, hetero, etc did, because it's inconvenient to use longer words where short ones will do, especially if they literally mean the same thing, they're shortened versions of the politically correct words for fucks sake. Are you offended if I call you a hetero instead of a heterosexual?
Quite frankly not offended by any of the words you listed, have been called enough different things throughout my life to feel largely immunized to such.
However, if I am out in public with a trans woman who is passing for a woman, am going to consistently refer to her as her, and as a woman, rather than as him or a trannie, no matter how many years I may have considered her to be a man prior to transitioning, due to knowing full well the potential risk to her safety associated with doing otherwise.
Have first-hand experienced violence enacted upon myself and those close to me as result of people's opposition to how someone identifies.
And as much as people may claim it is racist/religious discrimination for me to do so, will fully mask a homosexual friend's sexual identity if talking to an Islamist, even without living in an Islamic country, due to not trusting the majority of followers of Islam to be accepting of something their religion opposes.
Am not of the opinion that words are fundamentally hurtful, but fully recognize that particular words can, even unintentionally, incite violence, if said by the wrong people, to the wrong people, or at the wrong time.
Do not mind people's use of words, but make efforts to be mindful of my own.
I agree with all of that and I respect w/e gender people want to identify with. I'll call a trans boy to girl a girl as opposed to 'you trannie' or whatever obviously, that can be offensive depending on the context, just like saying, "the blacks" can be offensive. It's not bc being called black is offensive, but how you speak of them and in many contexts while the labels are not offensive the way they are used is and in some cases it is used to seperate yourself from them or vice versa. When you add "the" in front of something to it changes from talking about some of the group to literally referring to the group as a whole.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: krypto2000] 2
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I don't believe I ever called you transphobic specifically, and I don't think you are transphobic, but you might be under-informed as to how trans people identify. That's all. I'm not any less of a woman because of what's between my legs. That's all. We agree on basically everything else.
No. Just no. I want you to quote what I stated about you not being part of womanhood and also where I called you a wannabe woman. Show me. But you will find that there is none. I called you a TRANSWOMAN and because you are a transwoman you are part of the womans rights and you should fight for both bc you are both. In a political type thread it should be factual. I am a biologically born female. You are a transfemale. This is pure fact. I am not insulting you. I am stating facts. This is how we physically are. I consider our soul bodies as a different matter and really shouldnt be part of politics except to gain pull against discrimination to them.
For privacy situations, such as obtaining a birth certificate with your changed sex, you would and should not have to disclose that information for jobs and the like. I believe it would only cause for intimate relationships. In social situations, personally I wouldnt give a shit about if you were trans, gay, lesbian, thought you were a animal or whatever. I dont care in those situatons.
Even hinting otherwise, such as saying I do not consider you part of womanhood bc you were born with a dick, than what I have already said is accusatory of me being transphobic. That is how I feel about your words to me.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo]
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You mean help fight for rights of something you so desperately want to become physically and consider yourself to be?
I'm on your side already. I don't have a choice but to be. All I ask is for the same respect you demand for yourself.
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You know this is a case of poor phrasing.
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I didn't know about planned parenthood supplying services like that to trans, I apologize Cosmic & Blind. However I still think there's no point in making a stink about the women's march instead of just supporting it. Also what I was thinking is Blind said she supported trump and in big part the women's march is against trump.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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She called me a wannabe woman. That is some pretty cataclysmically poor phrasing for anybody who claims to accept trans people for who they are. I am not nor ever have been "biologically male".
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I don't support Trump but I don't support Hillary either.
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Sophistic Radiance said: Why is it on me to fight other people's battles, in ADDITION to my own, before I can be said to have earned their support in mine? Like, if I just pretend that the people who are rudely demanding my help aren't perpetuating a lie that kills my people, they'll magically come to the aid of my community next time one of us is being killed by that same lie?

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I'm sorry what??!! 
You mean help fight for rights of something you so desperately want to become physically and consider yourself to be? Which rights will ultimately affect you after you get that birth certificate saying you are a woman?!!! Plus rights and support for trans which were already part of the march as well?! Your people?!! IN THE WOMEN'S MARCH?!!!
So you actually DON'T consider yourself female? So if I am for the woman's march, or for women's rights in general, I must obviously be against the trans community in your logic? I sure appreciate that remark towards myself. Really, I do. Especially since it is so false. As you already know, I am all for LGBT rights.

You are too much dude. Too much. So selfish. So condescending. Good thing you aren't a spokesperson.
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From what I understand you both took shit out of context. Which is common, I know, but I know you two don't want to drill out eachothers assholes because of miscommunications... Like some here...
Everything you have said to eachother since has been attempts to clear up misunderstanding but because you're both emotionally invested now you both just go deeper and deeper in the original misconceptions.
This happens alot, I'm not enjoying seeing it happen between you two. In a certain context both of you said some offensive ass shit but, possibly because I've been withdrawn from the debate, I can see what you both intended to say.
As your friend, the cookie, I would recommend you both sober up and consider what happened here with how you both phrased things.
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Sophistic Radiance said: She called me a wannabe woman. That is some pretty cataclysmically poor phrasing for anybody who claims to accept trans people for who they are. I am not nor ever have been "biologically male".
So no she didn't call you a wannabe woman.
She called you out for what you said that, by not supporting the womens rights and considering it someone elses problems, that you yourself were saying you are separate from females. You said you wouldn't support it because it's not your problem which is basically saying you aren't included under the woman demographic.
She was annoyed that you ARE a woman and also seemed to be implying that you are more than a woman due to the way you phrased your ^ quote.
Both of you said both with emotional backing and I think that's why it got all muddled.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo]
#24036508 - 01/24/17 04:18 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Thank you Cookie. I had already said this was miscommunication and I was feeling quite crazy because Sophie continues not to see it. I am seriously getting madder that she claims I called her a wannabe woman because I did nothing of the sort. I can't believe how many times I have to say it and ask for my quotes so we could clear it up. This whole thing is a clusterfuck but I feel like I cannot let this go if she still wants to claim that I said those words.
But honestly Sophie, I know we are on the same side of alot of things. So the initial confusion came from your reply to my original post with the video of Janet Mock. Later I knew you talked about the hats and feminazis and I knew I had also been drawn into miscommunication. Initially I did not.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo]
#24036532 - 01/24/17 04:29 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Pris you will be happy I have finally responded to your triple quote posts. Hah
I've already told ya that I hold the viewpoints of egalitarianism. Knowing this I am sure you understand that I am not with feminazis movements.
Just as how I answered Bodhi's abortion post. I think plenty of these things in the protest are extremely sensitive in nature and all conclude to individual scenarios that are really personal. I am against abortion as that is my personal viewpoint and feeling on it, I am against abortion as a contraceptive approach, as it is alot of times not sparingly but out of irresponsible behavior. I am for abortion for dangerous situations to the mother and child and for very very personal hard choices private only to the mother. I have one mother who gets drunk very rarely and cries for hours about the child she had aborted when she was 15. I have another mother who has aborted and has seen it as the best option with hardly any remorse. And I have had friends who have had to do it for dangerous health issues. It is not my moral to judge a woman if she has an abortion, but it makes me sad that it is done.
I am skeptical of the wage gap as I have not personally seen enough documentation depicting experience, raises, and time on the job between men and women in the same occupation. Along with the years of work during fluctuations of economy. I have never personally known a woman who has herself been victim to a wage gap going all the way up into management against men's salary. These subjects have been brought up in discussion and they have been open in saying that the salary is the same company wide. Now there will also be different fluctuations depending on company and profession. Such as different law firms and their pay. One law firm could be crappy and pay crappy, one could be prestigious and of course pay much higher. If you are in a profession and are not getting paid what you feel you should be getting, by all means find another company with the same profession or higher and go with that. This will def cause a wage gap in itself.
In accordance to Scarlett Johannson, she had received $20mil from the Avengers project where she was outspoken against Robert Downey Jr's salary at $40mil. According to actors and actresses, they are paid by skill, by experience, and by their films and roles. I was still researching that when I had stopped with my response as I do know that Robert had been in the industry far, far longer than Scarlett as an adult and starred in numerous films with starring roles.
As for childbirth, unfortunately you cannot force a woman to carry a growing fetus without her say so. There are plenty of reasons why a woman would not want to carry a child and it can be extremely taxing on your body, and that's irregardless to stretch marks and getting fat. No. My hips, legs and back are much worse from having a child. I get sharp pains in my body since pregnancy and after. I got extreme hormonal imbalances and post pardum depression which took years to get rid of. My bladder is weaker than it has ever been and my nipples feel like there are sharp needles in them periodically like how I and my child had thrush during breast feeding. And there is often the emotional side to others' stories such as being afraid of not bonding with child, etc. So no, as of right now I think it would def be in the right of the woman not to carry a baby. Why would a man want a child with that lady anywho if all she gives are extremely selfish reasons. I would find a much awesomer lady to settle down with if a child was that important. If she gives legitimate reasons then they should work it out. Adoption is always an option, and so are surrogates. It's their decision ultimately, between themselves.
As for parental obligations... I believe that if a woman and man have a child, regardless of relationship or deserting the child. It is both parents responsibility to provide for that child. I believe this is not about the parents, this is about the child. Simple as that. Now, if a couple has a child together and say the mother abandons them with the father, the father should be considered to have parental rights and the mother should have to pay custody. I think custody should be enforced and given to the main parental guardian. I think it is a shame in some states where it is so hard to give the father the correct rights of being the only guardian than if a woman in the same situation would be given. It should be completely equal. I also think there should be regulations to know where that custody money is going and to make sure that it is being used for housing, food, and amenities (heat and electric) and for the child's needs (such as clothes, school, etc.) There are plenty of known cases where people will take advantage of this situation as well and that is extremely unfortunate.
As for hospital bills and bills in general. That should be private business between couples. When you say men usually foot the bill, I am confused. Men go to doctors for other ailments quite alot. I actually hardly ever seen other women when I frequent the E.R., as it is mostly men. But yes, giving birth is with females. And that is an incredibly steep bill. Are you talking about the dichotomy of people's relationships in their own households? Such as men are the primary breadwinner? I believe that it should be under the discretion as a private matter and I would hope that adults would be mature enough to support each other and not take it for granted in financial aspects or any other household aspects for that matter either. In my household I have been the primary breadwinner and my bf has been the primary caregiver of our son. He is more nurturing in that aspect and I am more stern in disciplinary action. I am the better doer and he is more relaxed and stressfree. These are our individual strengths. We give these aspects to each other and we work together with our family needs. So when doctors and hospital bills come around, I am the one footing the bill for our family.
You have posted my other quote numerous times citing that the principles that I have also posted are more than just woman's rights. In my original post I said:
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You kept hinting at what I said was not inclusive to the principles for immigration and policing. I think ect. would suffice in my statement saying yes I do realize there were more protests than just women's rights.
Are you aware of all the Women Trump supporters who were shunned in this March as well? There were many Pro-Lifers too that were protested against in the protests. Things such as this are more harder to come to a resolution. Things such as equality and against discrimination should not come hard. We should all let everyone around us live their own life and we should be ok with that. The thing that I see in this March is an opportunity for unity. Once people stop picking at each other for some things I believe together it will be stronger. But I do fully know that it could possibly have an outcome where there will be branches of Women's March into different protests for for and against politics. Everyone has separate issues that they want to address and not all of them are the same in the March. You cannot get that huge of a group together and assume they all agree on the same thing. But this is a great opportunity to help support those things that you truly hold for your own values. My values are in social standards of equality, affordable healthcare for preventative measures (even though I don't take contraceptives) and for economic and environmental issues. I will not agree with every woman there but I am ok with not agreeing. This is why I hate so much about threads like these. Because they become so argumentative and hateful instead of progressive. And what would it do anyways? We are on a drug forum lol!
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Sophistic Radiance said: If I hit somebody with my car unintentionally, does that mean they aren't injured by the impact? Just because I meant no harm? That's obviously an extreme example, but I only mean to illustrate that impact is not the same as intent, and that we are each responsible for the impact of our actions.
extreme, no. ludicrous comparison, absolutely.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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Everywhere sophie post, arguments and drama follow... threads turn to shit, people divide further.. every fuckin' time..
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Amanita86]
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Fucking agreed
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Its because he's got a personality disorder, not the wrong set of parts. Thats literally all he ever pulls.
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Hi Bodhi
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