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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo]
    #24031773 - 01/22/17 08:10 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Why is it on me to fight other people's battles, in ADDITION to my own, before I can be said to have earned their support in mine? Like, if I just pretend that the people who are rudely demanding my help aren't perpetuating a lie that kills my people, they'll magically come to the aid of my community next time one of us is being killed by that same lie?

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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #24031797 - 01/22/17 08:18 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

So needy and hypocritical


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #24031815 - 01/22/17 08:24 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

This thread title is false and total click bait. You should change it, or delete the whole thing altogether.

I don't know why you're trying to stir up shit where it doesn't need to be stirred up...but thats what it seems like to me :shrug:


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #24031823 - 01/22/17 08:25 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

I found the transgender march to be very x-chromophobic.


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #24031854 - 01/22/17 08:34 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

https://www.womensmarch.com/mission/

This "women's march" has very little to do with women, what a bunch of bullshit. :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: qman] * 1
    #24031873 - 01/22/17 08:38 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Click bait.

Women make up 50% of the pop. They have the monopoly on vaginas. So compared to someone with a dick that wants to try on a vag I hardly think that's transphobic. That is the smallest minority probably 2-3% compared to actual female born.


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo] * 2
    #24032033 - 01/22/17 09:52 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

Fuck yeah Janet Mock, had no idea she spoke at the protest.
She is really a great public face and voice for trans women in the US.

It's hard to have good advocates like that because they are necessarily outing themselves in the public eye. Definitely takes some serious courage.

The next 4 years will see a mass roll back of social progress overall. Healthcare, drug policy reform, climate protection, international relations, women's rights, race relations, free trade, could all be heading straight for oblivion.

At least everyone's portfolio should do well until expectations readjust and the bottom falls out of the domestic market. 

I'm not incredibly worried as I've already got my SRS done, birth certificate and vital records corrected. Many are not so lucky though.

All we can really do is advocate, protest, and be litigious as possible.
Just be safe, move to a blue state city and stay out of risky situations.


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 7
    #24032044 - 01/22/17 09:59 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Sophistic Radiance said:
Why is it on me to fight other people's battles, in ADDITION to my own, before I can be said to have earned their support in mine? Like, if I just pretend that the people who are rudely demanding my help aren't perpetuating a lie that kills my people, they'll magically come to the aid of my community next time one of us is being killed by that same lie?

:callingbullshit:






I'm sorry what??!!
:lol:

You mean help fight for rights of something you so desperately want to become physically and consider yourself to be? Which rights will ultimately affect you after you get that birth certificate saying you are a woman?!!! Plus rights and support for trans which were already part of the march as well?! Your people?!! IN THE WOMEN'S MARCH?!!!

So you actually DON'T consider yourself female? So if I am for the woman's march, or for women's rights in general, I must obviously be against the trans community in your logic? I sure appreciate that remark towards myself. Really, I do. Especially since it is so false. As you already know, I am all for LGBT rights.

:dawerp:


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You are too much dude. Too much. So selfish. So condescending. Good thing you aren't a spokesperson.


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Metathetical]
    #24032063 - 01/22/17 10:07 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Metathetical:

Hecks yea dude. It was an awesome speech. I listened to a few other ones, the ones without being all about Trump (:lol:), and liked it the most actually. It was so inclusive and so heartwarming. All of these things are together to me. They are all rights for our individuality and they should all be protected no matter what we are fighting for.

I am all for this Women's March because I feel like it will morph into so much down the line. There was such an amazing turnout and I wish I could have gone. Maybe next ones.

Good for you man on your papers! :thumbup: :heartpump:


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Metathetical]
    #24032069 - 01/22/17 10:10 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I haven't had SRS and I'm not sure I ever will. I feel like I'd have to havey ducks lined up in a way that isn't likely in the short term. I'm just glad that I'm on my hormones and living me. I don't think anybody can take that away from me at this point.

I've been so preoccupied with the politics of my immediate surroundings that the politics at the national level just look like this ridiculous circus to me. It feels distant from what's going on in my life. I don't think Trump is going to change how we do business in California and we've got some real fucking vampires running the show out here.


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo] * 3
    #24032078 - 01/22/17 10:12 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Playing the victims become a bit of a hobby for her, so I imagine she more or less feels victimized at all times and sees it in all things.


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #24032085 - 01/22/17 10:15 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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I haven't had SRS and I'm not sure I ever will. I feel like I'd have to havey ducks lined up in a way that isn't likely in the short term. I'm just glad that I'm on my hormones and living me. I don't think anybody can take that away from me at this point.

I've been so preoccupied with the politics of my immediate surroundings that the politics at the national level just look like this ridiculous circus to me. It feels distant from what's going on in my life. I don't think Trump is going to change how we do business in California and we've got some real fucking vampires running the show out here.




so much :facepalm:


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo]
    #24032090 - 01/22/17 10:17 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Quote:

Sophistic Radiance said:
Why is it on me to fight other people's battles, in ADDITION to my own, before I can be said to have earned their support in mine? Like, if I just pretend that the people who are rudely demanding my help aren't perpetuating a lie that kills my people, they'll magically come to the aid of my community next time one of us is being killed by that same lie?

:callingbullshit:






I'm sorry what??!!
:lol:

You mean help fight for rights of something you so desperately want to become physically and consider yourself to be? Which rights will ultimately affect you after you get that birth certificate saying you are a woman?!!! Plus rights and support for trans which were already part of the march as well?! Your people?!! IN THE WOMEN'S MARCH?!!!

So you actually DON'T consider yourself female? So if I am for the woman's march, or for women's rights in general, I must obviously be against the trans community in your logic? I sure appreciate that remark towards myself. Really, I do. Especially since it is so false. As you already know, I am all for LGBT rights.

:dawerp:


:canthelpbutlaugh:

You are too much dude. Too much. So selfish. So condescending. Good thing you aren't a spokesperson.


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Look, now you're calling me a wannabe woman because I criticized a national movevent's choice in headwear. That's your inclusiveness? Come on. It's disappointing to read, even if it does prove my point.


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo]
    #24032155 - 01/22/17 10:58 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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They were for women's equality, in health, in wages...





if a man and woman apply for the same job at the same company, would they be paid
a different wage based on their sex? if the jobs pays $20/hr, does the woman not
make $20 just as the man would make $20 or are they knocking 15% off the woman's
pay just because she's a woman

now I understand that many women in hollywood, a very privileged species or people
to start with, holding a similar popularity to a male star will often take a lower
pay when they sign the contracts and have even heard in responses from actresses
that they were being paid tens of millions to do a single film so it didnt bother
them, are these the people that need people trying to narrow the wage gap, people
that didnt negotiate pay in their contract? are feminists fighting for the women
in the 1% to be paid the same as men. maybe those women should go on strike
because they are union workers and those unions should be looking out for them.
maybe it's the unions that are the problem in this instance

as an example, let's look at scarlet johansen, she makes around $35 million per
year, she's clearly not struggling to pay the bills but she took a lower pay in
the avengers than a one of the male stars, coincidentally, the other males stars
earned less than she did since she was the second highest paid actor in the film,
when she speaks out on this gender/wage gap, is she speaking on behalf of those
male stars that didnt earn $25 million for their parts, are they getting the same
royalties off product licensing, are they drawing the same residuals?


how about that health care stuff, biologically, men and women are different so
their needs will be different, men will also be less likely to go to a hospital,
they dont give birth but often are the ones footing the bill if it's not picked up
by insurance. women have all the say in whether they carry a child or have an
abortion unless they're generous enough include the man in the decision but when
the child is carried to term and the man did not want that child, he's still
responsible for his share of the financial end, that amounts to as much as 25% of
his pay... for a child he expressly stated he did not want. of course if the shoe
is on the other foot and he does want that child while the mother does not wish to
carry to term, he also has no voice in that because it's the woman's body and the
woman's choice, he cannot force her to carry the child and give it to him any more
than he can force her to have an abortion


so really, what I guess I'm asking is what sort of equality are they seeking on
these two particular subjects? where does this wage gap exist?  I mean in 1962
Kennedy signed the equal wage act so outside of contractual labor where pay rates
are normally negotiated, it is illegal to pay a man a higher rate than women for
the same job in the same company having the same qualifications. the other part I
wonder about, what isnt equal in healthcare when based on reproductive rights the
men have absolutely none


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo] * 1
    #24032163 - 01/22/17 11:01 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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You are too much dude. Too much. So selfish. So condescending. Good thing you aren't a spokesperson.


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doesnt Sophistic Radiance have the same right to give birth that you do?

BTW. illegal immigration, racial issues, police violence... these arent women's rights issues


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24032176 - 01/22/17 11:07 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

You mean illegal immigrants cant be women, either? :pleasetellmemore:


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #24032203 - 01/22/17 11:24 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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You mean illegal immigrants cant be women, either? :pleasetellmemore:





they are illegals. they are statistics, not people


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #24032206 - 01/22/17 11:26 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

No, I didn't. Womens Rights battles are your battles. You are a woman so fight for womens rights. You are also trans so fight for trans. Own them both. This isn't about feminism. This is about womens equality. Every woman. Speak up for your own story. We all do not share the same one.

You are transistioning to female yes? You believe you are a female yes? You are the one claiming 'my people, my people.' I am trying to tell you the Womens March is for and are your people. The Trans community is in the march. Womans March is for women yes? These things being fought for will partly affect you yes? The boat is going in the same direction you want to get to, why not go along for the ride yes? Bigger support in bigger numbers yes?

You didn't criticize a piece of headwear in response to me. You criticized every woman in that March for not supporting trans. Which was refuted by me in the other post. I don't consider you outside of womanhood but bc I am for this march you consider me against trans.




Get out of your own butt. Seriously. Your threads are increasingly disappointing as it all seems to be stemmed from your selfishness of perceived exclusion.


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #24032209 - 01/22/17 11:31 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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You are too much dude. Too much. So selfish. So condescending. Good thing you aren't a spokesperson.


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doesnt Sophistic Radiance have the same right to give birth that you do?

BTW. illegal immigration, racial issues, police violence... these arent women's rights issues




They girlpower all over the street for a while, enough to take some totally rad selfies anyways, then they just fuck off without cleaning up their mess and never do anything else for womens rights. Except maybe some posts here and there so these half baked intellectuals can drone on to everyone about how sophisticated and impassioned they are about having a vagina for months later.




Armchair intellectuals.


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo]
    #24032212 - 01/22/17 11:31 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I did not criticize every woman in the march. I criticized the ones who equated vagina with womanhood. Which it turns out was a major proportion of the participants.

You are using really aggressive language with me, and interrogating me, when I have been perfectly civil in stating my complaints. It is a fact that cisnormativity routinely leads trans people to early graves. This is not intended as an attack on anybody. It is a fact that you have to deal with if you want to support trans people for real.


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