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CookieCrumbs
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Sophistic Radiance said: She called me a wannabe woman. That is some pretty cataclysmically poor phrasing for anybody who claims to accept trans people for who they are. I am not nor ever have been "biologically male".
So no she didn't call you a wannabe woman.
She called you out for what you said that, by not supporting the womens rights and considering it someone elses problems, that you yourself were saying you are separate from females. You said you wouldn't support it because it's not your problem which is basically saying you aren't included under the woman demographic.
She was annoyed that you ARE a woman and also seemed to be implying that you are more than a woman due to the way you phrased your ^ quote.
Both of you said both with emotional backing and I think that's why it got all muddled.
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pachoo
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo]
#24036508 - 01/24/17 04:18 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Thank you Cookie. I had already said this was miscommunication and I was feeling quite crazy because Sophie continues not to see it. I am seriously getting madder that she claims I called her a wannabe woman because I did nothing of the sort. I can't believe how many times I have to say it and ask for my quotes so we could clear it up. This whole thing is a clusterfuck but I feel like I cannot let this go if she still wants to claim that I said those words.
But honestly Sophie, I know we are on the same side of alot of things. So the initial confusion came from your reply to my original post with the video of Janet Mock. Later I knew you talked about the hats and feminazis and I knew I had also been drawn into miscommunication. Initially I did not.
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pachoo said: My post was not about hats or feminazis. My post was proof of trans support, which you responded with calling bullshit. In which I was very confused until I felt defensive. And I apologize bc now this seems like a huge miscommunication.
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pachoo
Witchakookoo


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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: pachoo]
#24036532 - 01/24/17 04:29 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Pris you will be happy I have finally responded to your triple quote posts. Hah
I've already told ya that I hold the viewpoints of egalitarianism. Knowing this I am sure you understand that I am not with feminazis movements.
Just as how I answered Bodhi's abortion post. I think plenty of these things in the protest are extremely sensitive in nature and all conclude to individual scenarios that are really personal. I am against abortion as that is my personal viewpoint and feeling on it, I am against abortion as a contraceptive approach, as it is alot of times not sparingly but out of irresponsible behavior. I am for abortion for dangerous situations to the mother and child and for very very personal hard choices private only to the mother. I have one mother who gets drunk very rarely and cries for hours about the child she had aborted when she was 15. I have another mother who has aborted and has seen it as the best option with hardly any remorse. And I have had friends who have had to do it for dangerous health issues. It is not my moral to judge a woman if she has an abortion, but it makes me sad that it is done.
I am skeptical of the wage gap as I have not personally seen enough documentation depicting experience, raises, and time on the job between men and women in the same occupation. Along with the years of work during fluctuations of economy. I have never personally known a woman who has herself been victim to a wage gap going all the way up into management against men's salary. These subjects have been brought up in discussion and they have been open in saying that the salary is the same company wide. Now there will also be different fluctuations depending on company and profession. Such as different law firms and their pay. One law firm could be crappy and pay crappy, one could be prestigious and of course pay much higher. If you are in a profession and are not getting paid what you feel you should be getting, by all means find another company with the same profession or higher and go with that. This will def cause a wage gap in itself.
In accordance to Scarlett Johannson, she had received $20mil from the Avengers project where she was outspoken against Robert Downey Jr's salary at $40mil. According to actors and actresses, they are paid by skill, by experience, and by their films and roles. I was still researching that when I had stopped with my response as I do know that Robert had been in the industry far, far longer than Scarlett as an adult and starred in numerous films with starring roles.
As for childbirth, unfortunately you cannot force a woman to carry a growing fetus without her say so. There are plenty of reasons why a woman would not want to carry a child and it can be extremely taxing on your body, and that's irregardless to stretch marks and getting fat. No. My hips, legs and back are much worse from having a child. I get sharp pains in my body since pregnancy and after. I got extreme hormonal imbalances and post pardum depression which took years to get rid of. My bladder is weaker than it has ever been and my nipples feel like there are sharp needles in them periodically like how I and my child had thrush during breast feeding. And there is often the emotional side to others' stories such as being afraid of not bonding with child, etc. So no, as of right now I think it would def be in the right of the woman not to carry a baby. Why would a man want a child with that lady anywho if all she gives are extremely selfish reasons. I would find a much awesomer lady to settle down with if a child was that important. If she gives legitimate reasons then they should work it out. Adoption is always an option, and so are surrogates. It's their decision ultimately, between themselves.
As for parental obligations... I believe that if a woman and man have a child, regardless of relationship or deserting the child. It is both parents responsibility to provide for that child. I believe this is not about the parents, this is about the child. Simple as that. Now, if a couple has a child together and say the mother abandons them with the father, the father should be considered to have parental rights and the mother should have to pay custody. I think custody should be enforced and given to the main parental guardian. I think it is a shame in some states where it is so hard to give the father the correct rights of being the only guardian than if a woman in the same situation would be given. It should be completely equal. I also think there should be regulations to know where that custody money is going and to make sure that it is being used for housing, food, and amenities (heat and electric) and for the child's needs (such as clothes, school, etc.) There are plenty of known cases where people will take advantage of this situation as well and that is extremely unfortunate.
As for hospital bills and bills in general. That should be private business between couples. When you say men usually foot the bill, I am confused. Men go to doctors for other ailments quite alot. I actually hardly ever seen other women when I frequent the E.R., as it is mostly men. But yes, giving birth is with females. And that is an incredibly steep bill. Are you talking about the dichotomy of people's relationships in their own households? Such as men are the primary breadwinner? I believe that it should be under the discretion as a private matter and I would hope that adults would be mature enough to support each other and not take it for granted in financial aspects or any other household aspects for that matter either. In my household I have been the primary breadwinner and my bf has been the primary caregiver of our son. He is more nurturing in that aspect and I am more stern in disciplinary action. I am the better doer and he is more relaxed and stressfree. These are our individual strengths. We give these aspects to each other and we work together with our family needs. So when doctors and hospital bills come around, I am the one footing the bill for our family.
You have posted my other quote numerous times citing that the principles that I have also posted are more than just woman's rights. In my original post I said:
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pachoo said: They were for women's equality, in health, in wages, environmental issues, etc. They also touched on subjects for LGTB rights and economic and global problems.
You kept hinting at what I said was not inclusive to the principles for immigration and policing. I think ect. would suffice in my statement saying yes I do realize there were more protests than just women's rights.
Are you aware of all the Women Trump supporters who were shunned in this March as well? There were many Pro-Lifers too that were protested against in the protests. Things such as this are more harder to come to a resolution. Things such as equality and against discrimination should not come hard. We should all let everyone around us live their own life and we should be ok with that. The thing that I see in this March is an opportunity for unity. Once people stop picking at each other for some things I believe together it will be stronger. But I do fully know that it could possibly have an outcome where there will be branches of Women's March into different protests for for and against politics. Everyone has separate issues that they want to address and not all of them are the same in the March. You cannot get that huge of a group together and assume they all agree on the same thing. But this is a great opportunity to help support those things that you truly hold for your own values. My values are in social standards of equality, affordable healthcare for preventative measures (even though I don't take contraceptives) and for economic and environmental issues. I will not agree with every woman there but I am ok with not agreeing. This is why I hate so much about threads like these. Because they become so argumentative and hateful instead of progressive. And what would it do anyways? We are on a drug forum lol!
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Prisoner#1
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Sophistic Radiance said: If I hit somebody with my car unintentionally, does that mean they aren't injured by the impact? Just because I meant no harm? That's obviously an extreme example, but I only mean to illustrate that impact is not the same as intent, and that we are each responsible for the impact of our actions.
extreme, no. ludicrous comparison, absolutely.
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Amanita86
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#24037529 - 01/24/17 11:15 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Everywhere sophie post, arguments and drama follow... threads turn to shit, people divide further.. every fuckin' time..
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Kush_Zombie
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Amanita86]
#24037558 - 01/24/17 11:33 PM (7 years, 6 days ago) |
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Fucking agreed
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Bodhi of Ankou
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Amanita86] 2
#24038979 - 01/25/17 03:39 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said: Everywhere sophie post, arguments and drama follow... threads turn to shit, people divide further.. every fuckin' time..
Its because he's got a personality disorder, not the wrong set of parts. Thats literally all he ever pulls.
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Kush_Zombie
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Re: The women's march is hella transphobic [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#24039006 - 01/25/17 03:47 PM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Hi Bodhi
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